ive ordered from pat before but i dont like flat specific parts. theirs always people bitching on here that they always break. id rather put my money in to good parts made for street that wont break. i try to buy as much from ff as possible(tires,grips,levers,cables....etc) im also planning on buying a tierra 19.8 from pat as well. i think ff is one of the best places out there, but i just cant find all the things i want there. haha i even get yelled at by all my friends cause i have flatlandfuel stickers on my bike. supposedly now flatland is gay and made for old guys that cant ride street. idk ill be the one with the tierra with coffee parts at the york jam. see you guys there.