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Title: Bike for street/park and also flat?
Post by: myke on April 03, 2021, 03:35:44 PM
Anyone know if a complete bike that would be good for some light street and park riding but that could also be used to ride some flat?
Title: Re: Bike for street/park and also flat?
Post by: out~riding on April 03, 2021, 07:11:41 PM
There's really no complete out of the box that will fit everything, except for maybe Motelworks and Ares but those are almost only available in Japan.

Haro is coming out with the 2011 Ground Master but that bike is expensive at 1600 USD.
Title: Re: Bike for street/park and also flat?
Post by: myke on April 03, 2021, 07:19:31 PM
There's really no complete out of the box that will fit everything, except for maybe Motelworks and Ares but those are almost only available in Japan.

Haro is coming out with the 2011 Ground Master but that bike is expensive at 1600 USD.
Interesting thanks. I'm thinking maybe a street/park bike with a shorter top tube perhaps would get me there. Just something that enables me to ride some flat too, streamrollers, hang 5s, firehydrants, mccircles...
Title: Re: Bike for street/park and also flat?
Post by: out~riding on April 03, 2021, 07:45:26 PM
One of the better options is the 2011 WTP CRS FC


It's a shorter street bike with 20,25" TT that comes with a freecoaster already.
Swap the tires, get some pegs and your good.
It's got gyrotabs if you want to install a gyro. 165mm cranks.

The downside is it's not 100% cromoly. A little over 500€/£ you can't expect much more.
You can upgrade to a shorter stem and cromoly forks later on.

https://wethepeoplebmx.de/bikes/crs-fc (https://wethepeoplebmx.de/bikes/crs-fc)


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Title: Re: Bike for street/park and also flat?
Post by: myke on April 03, 2021, 08:41:45 PM
One of the better options is the 2011 WTP CRS FC


It's a shorter street bike with 20,25" TT that comes with a freecoaster already.
Swap the tires, get some pegs and your good.
It's got gyrotabs if you want to install a gyro. 165mm cranks.

The downside is it's not 100% cromoly. A little over 500€/£ you can't expect much more.
You can upgrade to a shorter stem and cromoly forks later on.

[url]https://wethepeoplebmx.de/bikes/crs-fc[/url] ([url]https://wethepeoplebmx.de/bikes/crs-fc[/url])


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Cool, that looks decent. You must have meant 2021 tho, not 2011? It's a bit on the heavy side at 27 lbs but that's to be expected I guess...
Title: Re: Bike for street/park and also flat?
Post by: aliasdck on April 03, 2021, 09:08:27 PM
I like wtp, is a great company with great products.

I don't think 27lbs is too heavy when you're looking at a hybrid street/park/flat bike though, what's considered normal for such a setup these like 25lb or so? You could buy it then slowly get it down a couple pounds by upgrading some parts over the future. Though then you may as well build up a custom bike instead. Which I'd recommend anyways: it's fun, you get exactly which parts you want plus you can also get some of it used from here or bmxmusuem or whatever.
Title: Re: Bike for street/park and also flat?
Post by: Mambocowboy on April 03, 2021, 09:18:50 PM
I like wtp, is a great company with great products.

I don't think 27lbs is too heavy when you're looking at a hybrid street/park/flat bike though, what's considered normal for such a setup these like 25lb or so? You could buy it then slowly get it down a couple pounds by upgrading some parts over the future. Though then you may as well build up a custom bike instead. Which I'd recommend anyways: it's fun, you get exactly which parts you want plus you can also get some of it used from here or bmxmusuem or whatever.
Custom is the way to go.
Title: Re: Bike for street/park and also flat?
Post by: out~riding on April 04, 2021, 02:52:54 PM
Building a new custom gets expensive. It really depends on your budget.
Title: Re: Bike for street/park and also flat?
Post by: myke on April 04, 2021, 03:13:35 PM
I like wtp, is a great company with great products.

I don't think 27lbs is too heavy when you're looking at a hybrid street/park/flat bike though, what's considered normal for such a setup these like 25lb or so? You could buy it then slowly get it down a couple pounds by upgrading some parts over the future. Though then you may as well build up a custom bike instead. Which I'd recommend anyways: it's fun, you get exactly which parts you want plus you can also get some of it used from here or bmxmusuem or whatever.
Yeah that's true, I actually have a wheel that's a khe rim with 36h nankai, it's insanely light, I could put that on it and probably shave a couple pounds right there. But I don't want to be swapping a bunch of parts.

Custom is the way to go.

Building a new custom gets expensive. It really depends on your budget.

Cool, I'm not going custom though. Actually I just sold a flat bike recently that I had for like 15+ years. Also just bought a 24" bmx as well.


Remember aaron benke way back, he used to ride flat and some ramps as well, I wonder what bike that was?
Title: Re: Bike for street/park and also flat?
Post by: 89schwinnsting on April 21, 2021, 01:57:00 AM
Aaron Benke did have his own frame, the DK Transmitter. 19" top tube, I think.
Title: Re: Bike for street/park and also flat?
Post by: myke on May 30, 2021, 12:29:30 AM
Aaron Benke did have his own frame, the DK Transmitter. 19" top tube, I think.
Cool, thanks...

I got to try ouy my nephews regular stock bmx bike for flat and it was not very conducive, less so than I expected...
Title: Re: Bike for street/park and also flat?
Post by: smsabb on July 23, 2021, 04:03:57 PM
Colony sweet tooth is a good choice ,Or the Apprentice if you want a shorter frame .
Title: Re: Bike for street/park and also flat?
Post by: myke on December 22, 2021, 08:38:08 PM
One of the better options is the 2011 WTP CRS FC It's a shorter street bike with 20,25" TT that comes with a freecoaster already.

Aaron Benke did have his own frame, the DK Transmitter. 19" top tube, I think.

Hey guys, OP here. I am once again on the street/flat bike kick. I had 24" stolen saint for the past year and it was great but I want a 20" again.

But I want more of a street bike that I can ride flat on, more than a flat bike that I can ride street on if that makes any sense.

So my question comes down to what top tube length would be best for this. Obviously if I can try some out that would be ideal but I still want to get a better idea of what I need.

So the last flat bike I owned was a Fly and it was 18.8" tt. Obviously way to small to ride street on. (By street I'm talking manuals, rollbacks, bunny hops, 180 bh, etc. - I'm old and old school kinda).

So the top tube lengths I'm thinking about are 19.5, 20, 20.25, 20.5. Of those I'm thinking 19.5 may be too small and 20.5 probably too big. So I guess that leaves me at 20 or 20.25. Thoughts?

Also, I'm on the smaller side at 5'7". I rode my nephews bike last month which is probably 21" tt (but need to confirm). It was awesome for doing manuals, but as far as fire hydrants and steam rollers and hang 5s forget it, way to long for me.
Title: Re: Bike for street/park and also flat?
Post by: smsabb on December 22, 2021, 08:46:06 PM
Im riding a sunday park ranger right now its a 19.75 tt .
Title: Re: Bike for street/park and also flat?
Post by: myke on December 22, 2021, 11:55:22 PM
Im riding a sunday park ranger right now its a 19.75 tt .
Cool, what kind of riding are you using it for?
Title: Re: Bike for street/park and also flat?
Post by: smsabb on December 23, 2021, 05:31:57 AM
General assholery ...Or flatland and street jibs
Title: Re: Bike for street/park and also flat?
Post by: myke on December 23, 2021, 02:26:56 PM
General assholery ...Or flatland and street jibs
So it's good for both flat and street? One more so than the other?
Title: Re: Bike for street/park and also flat?
Post by: smsabb on December 23, 2021, 04:15:13 PM
Its "a tech park frame " But they made it to be flatland friendly .It has similar geometry to the flatware tango but with a shorter rear end .I went from a 19.75 big daddy to this and had to take a link out of my chain (its close to 13 now )
Title: Re: Bike for street/park and also flat?
Post by: myke on December 27, 2021, 03:14:50 PM
Its "a tech park frame " But they made it to be flatland friendly .It has similar geometry to the flatware tango but with a shorter rear end .I went from a 19.75 big daddy to this and had to take a link out of my chain (its close to 13 now )
Yup, that's a good point in that it's not only the TT length that will affect how it feels and rides. But it's a good starting point.
Title: Re: Bike for street/park and also flat?
Post by: myke on December 27, 2021, 03:16:14 PM
Ok so that big question is, what TT length would be best for some street and park, but also some flat?

20" maybe?
Title: Re: Bike for street/park and also flat?
Post by: smsabb on December 27, 2021, 05:12:30 PM
I like the 19.75 myself .
Title: Re: Bike for street/park and also flat?
Post by: FlatSociety on December 30, 2021, 01:24:27 PM
I like the 19.75 myself .

I ride an S&M  Dagger Frame & love it. I sell these at my shop along with Colony Sweet Tooth Frames, Total, Tall Order, and more. I should have We The People Utopias in by the end of next month as well.
my shop: [size=78%]http://www.flatsocietybmx.com (http://www.flatsocietybmx.com)[/size]
Title: Re: Bike for street/park and also flat?
Post by: myke on December 30, 2021, 03:25:53 PM

I ride an S&M  Dagger Frame & love it. I sell these at my shop along with Colony Sweet Tooth Frames, Total, Tall Order, and more.

What are the specs on your dagger? Do you ride flat, street or both?
Title: Re: Bike for street/park and also flat?
Post by: smsabb on January 01, 2022, 08:12:34 PM
I was looking at both frames but went with the park ranger instead mostly due to seeing a bunch of s&ms cracking at the seat tube /seat stay junction . Plus the Sunday brake mounts are a bit more solid
Title: Re: Bike for street/park and also flat?
Post by: FlatSociety on January 03, 2022, 12:22:28 PM
I was looking at both frames but went with the park ranger instead mostly due to seeing a bunch of s&ms cracking at the seat tube /seat stay junction . Plus the Sunday brake mounts are a bit more solid
Mostly Flat but the frame is well built & solid. I currently have 19in & 19.5in in stock.
Title: Re: Bike for street/park and also flat?
Post by: myke on January 04, 2022, 11:43:44 PM
I was looking at both frames but went with the park ranger instead mostly due to seeing a bunch of s&ms cracking at the seat tube /seat stay junction . Plus the Sunday brake mounts are a bit more solid
Mostly Flat but the frame is well built & solid. I currently have 19in & 19.5in in stock.
Not looking to buy an expensive frame. Just looking for info on what top tube length will work best for my needs.
Title: Re: Bike for street/park and also flat?
Post by: eightyfivegt on January 06, 2022, 02:13:49 AM
I’m 5’-9” and ride a 19” Dagger for flat. But, my latest project is a flat/street hybrid using an S&M ATF frame with 20” TT.  I’ve got Intrikat bars, 40mm Enduro stem, 4 pegs, 170mm cranks, recently installed a Flatware minimal offset fork and the last thing I did was grind the rear dropouts to 13.25”. Between the new fork and drop mod, I took an inch out of the wheelbase. This bike feels pretty damn good as sort of a do everything bike. I rode it on our local pump track this past weekend and then, cruised over to the ball courts and rode flatland with it.
Title: Re: Bike for street/park and also flat?
Post by: myke on January 06, 2022, 03:35:38 PM
I’m 5’-9” and ride a 19” Dagger for flat. But, my latest project is a flat/street hybrid using an S&M ATF frame with 20” TT.  I’ve got Intrikat bars, 40mm Enduro stem, 4 pegs, 170mm cranks, recently installed a Flatware minimal offset fork and the last thing I did was grind the rear dropouts to 13.25”. Between the new fork and drop mod, I took an inch out of the wheelbase. This bike feels pretty damn good as sort of a do everything bike. I rode it on our local pump track this past weekend and then, cruised over to the ball courts and rode flatland with it.
Sounds great! How do tricks like hang 5s and steamrollers feel with the 20"tt? I wasn't liking how they felt when I tried them on a 20.5" top tube, but obviously that's not the only dimension that affects the feel. I'm about 5'7" so I'm hoping the 20" tt will be good for everything. I'm also looking at just getting a cheap complete bike to give it a shot and see how it feels. All 20" tt - Cult Access (longer rear end at 13.65, Verde A/V (13.5 rear), Sunday Primer (13.2" - 13.5" rear), WTP Nova (super short rear at 12.75")...
Title: Re: Bike for street/park and also flat?
Post by: eightyfivegt on January 07, 2022, 12:02:41 AM
I know we’re talking just fractions of an inch or a degree of an angle but, yes, I can feel the differences between this bike and my “flatland only” bike.  It’s not dramatic but, certainly noticeable.  Any compromises with the flat/hybrid seem worthwhile to me since I can ride the same bike for park and street.  As for your selection of 20” TT completes, you should also consider a few things such as the ability to add a front brake, add pegs and none of those bikes have a freecoaster.  You may want to swap that rear wheel right away for flatland. 
Title: Re: Bike for street/park and also flat?
Post by: myke on January 07, 2022, 12:22:19 AM
I know we’re talking just fractions of an inch or a degree of an angle but, yes, I can feel the differences between this bike and my “flatland only” bike.  It’s not dramatic but, certainly noticeable.  Any compromises with the flat/hybrid seem worthwhile to me since I can ride the same bike for park and street.  As for your selection of 20” TT completes, you should also consider a few things such as the ability to add a front brake, add pegs and none of those bikes have a freecoaster.  You may want to swap that rear wheel right away for flatland. 
Yeah, I hear you about needing some tweaking for flat. Although I really want to be able to do some sreet tricks on it for sure so that's just as important if not more so. Front brake will be an issue for sure, maybe I can use the old-school kind with the center bolt, or I could go without one maybe. Pegs for sure but could maybe get away with just one side, which would still allow for steamrollers, hang 5, peg wheelies etc. I also have an older khe 36h rim with a nankai freecoaster, it is super light, I could throw that on and see how it is, although from what I remember it's not the best rolling, smoothest wheel...
Title: Re: Bike for street/park and also flat?
Post by: eightyfivegt on January 07, 2022, 05:01:56 PM
Sounds like you have a good plan.  If you do want to add a center pivot front brake, I’d go with the old DC Nippon.  Those seemed to work pretty good for what they were BITD. More importantly, put some good brake pads on it. 😁
Title: Re: Bike for street/park and also flat?
Post by: myke on January 07, 2022, 08:25:06 PM
Sounds like you have a good plan.  If you do want to add a center pivot front brake, I’d go with the old DC Nippon.  Those seemed to work pretty good for what they were BITD. More importantly, put some good brake pads on it. 😁
Good tip, will do!
Title: Re: Bike for street/park and also flat?
Post by: nosubsteve on January 08, 2022, 11:00:51 AM
You might be in a slightly different boat to me but here's my street/flat setup (more street because it is a little beefy, but it does the trick)
http://www.global-flat.com/smf/index.php?topic=66705 (http://www.global-flat.com/smf/index.php?topic=66705.msg479579)
There are a few tweaks now, swapped out the Odyssey R15 for the F25 fork (front brake mounts) and at 20" it fits well for street with me also being about 5'7".

Apart from the longer rear end and fat tyres it's very similar in feel to the 'pure flat' setup, just more comfortable to chuck around.
http://www.global-flat.com/smf/index.php?topic=67157 (http://www.global-flat.com/smf/index.php?topic=67157)
I think you'd probably find a decent 20"tt complete would fit the bill just fine, swap out anything that breaks for lighter/stronger/cooler as you go, and don't feel too precious about scratching it!
Title: Re: Bike for street/park and also flat?
Post by: myke on January 08, 2022, 04:07:37 PM
You might be in a slightly different boat to me but here's my street/flat setup (more street because it is a little beefy, but it does the trick)
[url]http://www.global-flat.com/smf/index.php?topic=66705[/url] ([url]http://www.global-flat.com/smf/index.php?topic=66705.msg479579[/url])
There are a few tweaks now, swapped out the Odyssey R15 for the F25 fork (front brake mounts) and at 20" it fits well for street with me also being about 5'7".

Apart from the longer rear end and fat tyres it's very similar in feel to the 'pure flat' setup, just more comfortable to chuck around.
[url]http://www.global-flat.com/smf/index.php?topic=67157[/url] ([url]http://www.global-flat.com/smf/index.php?topic=67157[/url])
I think you'd probably find a decent 20"tt complete would fit the bill just fine, swap out anything that breaks for lighter/stronger/cooler as you go, and don't feel too precious about scratching it!

Awesome, that s&m looks like a great flat/street setup!

Yeah I agree, I'll probably just get a cheap 20"tt complete to start, they are only around $400. I just hope the hi-ten will hold up ok, which I'm thinking it should. Also hope I can fit pegs on the front fork dropouts, I think that will be ok too but some of them look on the small side...