Global-flat.com Board
English => General Flatland Forum => Topic started by: Flatland Fanatic on August 02, 2012, 06:41:11 AM
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It seems like this site (which I have really liked over the years) is now dead. Why is it that no one is on here anymore? Is there another message board that everyone is going to now?
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yes they did
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I agree.
An indicator can be the For sale Forum here.
2 years ago tuff used to sell very fast in the marketplace section, now it takes forever or doesn't sell at all.
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I kinda feel like there are so many inane discussions not really worth participating in that it's not interesting at all. I only check it periodically now.
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there's just not many discussions any more. most of what is posted lately is "news", and the occasional uninspired thread. the other sites are simply more active these days, and easier to see new updates on. discussions here have historically ended up in ego wars; with strong personalities debating their position until it puts people off, and they go somewhere else.
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Shoot, I just acheived "deathtrucker" status, too!
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I have noticed this for some time, and according to the forum stats ..... there has been a steady decline in people both posting and using this forum.
To a greater extent this cant just be blamed on FB, Twitter and FM ... but on other factors also (like poor management).
Lets not forget who was one of the listed judges at the BMX worlds and subsequent results.
Either way, lets hope that other mediums like FB provide enough support ... and new products and media from other areas help generate a continued interest in both new and old riders.
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Hey guys,
I think it's mostly Facebook .. we've always had ego wars and all kinds of more or less annoying stuff in BMX forums. I don't think that's the problem haha ..
The most important thing is that we stick together as a community of riders. I'm not quite sure how well that is working on Facebook or Twitter. You have to be friends with a lot of people there in order to stay up to date and see a lot of news and discussions. Here in the forum it's public and everyone can see everything. I think that's still the biggest advantage.
I'd love to see the forum staying active for that reason! But it's up to you!
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It's a good point you raise, as I have been wondering this myself quite a bit lately.
I do wonder if riding folk have taken global-flat for granted. . .?
I also get the impression, that those that slate it are those that never really contributed to it's growth, but only it's decline. I admit I've never been the most prolific of posters, however I drop by everyday to read or contribute if need be.
It's your Global-flat after all.
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It's your Global-flat after all.
I couldn't agree more! I wrote a few lines in the news ( http://www.global-flat.com/news/showNews.php?ID=2178 (http://www.global-flat.com/news/showNews.php?ID=2178) ) .. maybe we can get some more opinions!
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i think it's more about edits nowadays, and less about discussions. This is why Flatmatters and facebook are so popular.
Videos. it's easy, and no childlish ego wars to deal with, you just watch.
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I kinda feel like there are so many inane discussions not really worth participating in that it's not interesting at all. I only check it periodically now.
I agree.
An indicator can be the For sale Forum here.
2 years ago tuff used to sell very fast in the marketplace section, now it takes forever or doesn't sell at all.
+1 on both of these points.
@ TJ, a lot of discusions seem to be repeats and rehashes of previous discussions too.
@ YOU, I will say though, selling/buying on other forums has come to a standstill also. Either there's nothing interesting listed, nothing listed at all or just not a good enough deal to buy used instead of new.
On the selling side, it seems everyone wants you to give your stuff away for pennies on the dollar...
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@YOU
I've definitely noticed the slowing up of selling/buying section on both bike guide.org & bmx-forum, more so than on here! I don't understand that one at all.
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A fair question. Most of what I can say is directly about the boards. I still frequent and love checking out Global-flat. I used to frequent the message boards quite a bit, even if I didn't post much. When I lived in NorCal, the thread here was the one way for all the riders to keep in touch. It was perfect and I depended on that thread to stay connected to the scene.
To be honest (and it's my own fault in the end), I ultimately grew weary of the message boards because of the fights. The most frequented threads more often than not were just fights. Usually petty, occasionally ugly. Just like reality TV, they were easy to get sucked into. I finally had enough and unfortunately equated Global to the nasty threads. Real interesting, progressive flatland edits/thoughts would get 1 or 2 comments, while a thread about tight jeans would go on for pages.
This is not unique to GF. Some of the comments on Flatmatters can get nasty too. Facebook as well. No site is immune to knuckleheads. I still check Global, especially for original content or the marketplace. Flatmatters, as a news source, is simply easier to use, more comprehensive (as far as coverage), and more focused.
Global remains a central point I think for flatlanders (or it still has the potential to be). Where else can we get an event list at one click? It's still the best place to buy and sell 2nd hand flatland gear (who's holding midschool Ares stuff!). And it's a great place for the online battles. But as far as discussions are concerned, it just became too volatile for my tastes.
-Anthony
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Thanks for the new posts!
@Anthony: for me the discussion here is really about the forum and online community. Thanks for the comment about original content, events and so on. We put a lot of work into the editorial content. A few sites just copy and paste our content (we even had a site which was copying the forum posts) which is 'interesting' haha ..
Anyway, back to the topic. Is there anything we can do to make the forum easier to use? Would you prefer to login using your facebook or twitter account? Do you prefer to use your mobile phone and need a better mobile version of the site?
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forum is okay martin.facebook is killing flatland
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Anyway, back to the topic. Is there anything we can do to make the forum easier to use? Would you prefer to login using your facebook or twitter account? Do you prefer to use your mobile phone and need a better mobile version of the site?
Not everyone is on facebook.
I'm not and I have no plans to open an account there.
An Android version of the site would be nice.
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^ Agree with you. I'm also not on facebook or twitter, and really don't plan to be.
I believe that the GF forum is great way for views about flatland and edits to be discussed by all flatlanders as Martin said. I'm disappointed that the forum seems to be on a decline. I like how on the forum when a comment is made it bumps the topic back to the top, I think this is useful. Because there are so many updates on sites like flatmatters, (not a bad thing, flattmatters is one of my favorite sites, along with G-F) the comments about videos quickly get lost in older pages even if people are still making comments, or having a discussion.
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I visit the site pretty much everyday, but I don't post much (as you can see). Both my Facebook and Twitter accounts are used for entirely different interests in my life and I would like Global-flat to stay its own thing. Just my thoughts...
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I still enjoy the site. Moderating, not so much. It's like being a cat wrangler, lol. But, I've stepped away from that.
Global is still a viable community. You can stop in and see videos(not as easy as Flatmatters, true...but you get more "homegrown" videos and riders not covered), join discussions, buy/sell/trade.
I've made friends here...and THEN added them on Facebook. As for the negative threads/sh*t talk...I used to really only get into it with TJ, but then it really only made me like the guy. Ha, ha.
What about the cool unique things like Online battles...and remember Bike Projects? Very unique, and you can never pull that off on Facebook.
As for changes to the site? Not sure, really. That really doesn't help, does it. I'd like to think that Facebook, Flatmatters, etc. aren't killing flatland discussion boards...actual riding is. It is summer, and doesn't the site see less action when everyone is out riding their bikes? I think so.
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A number of thoughts....
Facebook and Twitter are becoming more and more popular. I know most local forums are dead all over the world. I think thats due to Facebook and Twitter. Global-flat survives because of news, info, updates, online battles, trading parts and a wide variety of content. As it has riders from all over the world, it survives in this age of Facebook and Twitter. Less traffic but still going.
Local forums didn't fare so well.
My humble opinion.
Pros and cons..
Pros-Twitter. Instant updates
Cons-Twitter. dont need or want the "at bank, went shopping, saw this, did that" bs.
Pros-Facebook. connects with alot of riders, video updates, info updates, communication etc...
Cons-Facebook. too many app/game requests, Facebooks too in your face with suggestions and pop up boxes everywhere. They trick me to add friends by having a list of requests to accept, only to discover they threw in a few friend requests that now say request sent. So many pop up boxes it blocks 90% of a post, video or pic. They forced me to go from a profile to a timeline. Cant keep up with all the notifications, they flood you with notifications and emails, and say you have 30 apps outstanding. Its just too much, too forceful. It takes up too much time to unnotify everything.
Pros- Flatmatters. Great vids/edits, great updates run by a great guy.
Cons- Flattmatters. None. We need it.
Pros- Global-flat. large memberlist with riders from around the world, news, info, comps, jams, vids, marketplace, interaction etc... alot of well rounded info.
Cons-Global-flat. strong personalities clashing heads sours threads for everyone. But we need it. When ppl get less interested in FB and Twitter forums may increase traffic but we need 1 to stay alive.
This is just the way I see it. You may or may not agree. B)
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I think global-flat is still rad as it gets.
Theres still good people helping other people with their bike questions, etc.
Truth is I just got sh*t tired of all the smack talk and webfights. It kind of turned me off.
Now I might visit the site once-twice a week instead of every single day like I was doing not long ago.
Theres so much other bs in my life that I cant handle anyone elses anymore.
Global-flat is great and I hope to see people continue to use it for positive purposes.
However, if people dont get egos and mouths in check, Im afraid this to shall pass.
Please dont fk up a good thing!
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Perhaps you're right, but the fact is flatland is not a largely popular sport, nor is it really growing. Since the X Games dropped it, its disappeared from the mainstream. It's likely that more people are giving up the art than picking it up. Maybe those that are left have formed close knit bonds and keep up with each other on social media more than forums. It is more convenient.
Then there's people like me. I had been riding a couple years before I met another flatlander. It simply doesn't exist where I'm from. This forum is the only interaction with other riders I'm likely to ever see, aside from traveling for hours. Working a full time job and having other responsibilities, I just don't have the time to do that. Not that it really bothers me. I've always related it more to art than bmx. Because of that, I'm content being that guy in a secluded parking lot.
...but it is nice to talk to other riders every once in awhile. I know one rider personally. Aside from that, I've met other flatlanders once, back in 2006. The pics were recently listed in the media section.
I give props to people going out and putting flat in the spotlight. Terry Adam's Wal-Mart tour for instance. It's probably the only real public exposure I've seen in a long time. When flatland flourishes, the forums will be more active. Until then, those of us still here will have to be content.
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- Flatmatters is where everyone goes for videos
- facebook is where everyone goes for fast discussion like "who's riding today at the local spot ? - i am i'll meet you there"
- Global flat is the only place where you can go to have deeper discussions about tricks, styles, trends, constest results...
Global flat needs to focus on what makes it so specific : The Forum. and make it easier to acess and easier to use.
So i suggest Global flat should have a direct acess to its forum on its head page. i mean the head page should be the forum. It should all be about discussions, the rest comes after.
what i would may be do is have three different "global flat"sites : the main one for forum, another one for edits, and then another one for infos, and go from there.
Also, to make it easier on everyone, some people should be banned for ever (i have some names in mind...). Be more severe, this is your site, you don't need to deal with ego people whos only aim is to set your forum on fire, get rid of them. let's have strict rules.
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It wouldnt bother if even just 10 people used this forum, as long it its being used for something good other than people hatin and fightin. Also not sure if the lack of posts recently is because of people quitting flatland. Lately it seems as tho rider numbers are again on the rise. Just recently found out about 2 more riders here in NJ who ride flat, Evan-whos just getting back into it after many years off the bike, and then theres Troy-who was the 1st bike winner at Terry Adams' Walmart demos who is new to flat, but says he rides everyday all day. Been hearing stories like this left and right, so I highly doubt site traffic is low cuz of people quitting. People probably come here, read a few topics, see all the drama, and get turned off by it. Nobody likes egos, I mean, unless youre from the Jersey Shore cast...thos fkrs live for that sh*t.
This is flatland, not the Jersey Shore. Theres no "duck phones" here! :P
Our words and actions reach far and wide...lets be aware of that. And be aware that young kids read our posts also. Just because we dont see them doesnt mean theyre not out there reading. A kid may just read this and figure, "ok this is how flatlanders act. Im gonna be a douchebag also".
Theres more good than bad on global and I hope this site continues to be a valuable resorce for riders worldwide.
RIDE ON!
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Also, to make it easier on everyone, some people should be banned for ever (i have some names in mind...). Be more severe, this is your site, you don't need to deal with ego people whos only aim is to set your forum on fire, get rid of them. let's have strict rules.
+1 on this!
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Thanks for the great topic and answers, I agree to almost everything said previously.. It's just summer here and everyone's riding or doing other stuff, checking the forum is a pretty seasonal thing. Althought I agree that there's a decline in forum activity. But I know that ALMOST EVERYONE IS CHECKING global-flat ! It's just the lack of good content.
I think we all should put some stuff on the table, like creating good topics, not those for hate or arguing about competition results. We can think of some new competitions or raffles, to increase the activity, like it is with Online Battles, or bike check raffles. Everyone can do it.
Just SHARE. Share your ideas, your thoughts, your happy moments and concerns and keep the forum going.
Thanks to global-flat I've made some friends, which I have met in real time, but with a feeling that I know them for years. I will keep doing Online FlatBattles every year and I promise next year will be so awesome.
Long live global-flat! (:
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http://thecomeupbmx.net/ (http://thecomeupbmx.net/)
this is a good example, this site is really easy to read and scroll down through the news. It is for bmx news what flatmatters is for flatland Videos. Super readable.
If there could be a way to make it that easy for Forum threads.....what do you think ?
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[url]http://thecomeupbmx.net/[/url] ([url]http://thecomeupbmx.net/[/url])
this is a good example, this site is really easy to read and scroll down through the news. It is for bmx news what flatmatters is for flatland Videos. Super readable.
If there could be a way to make it that easy for Forum threads.....what do you think ?
I have been thinking about that. One page where you can see all the topics and replies and just scroll down. Less clicking..
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Also, it would be interesting if you could invite once a month one professional rider to start a topic and talk with everyone about a subject he would choose. It would be nice for unkown amateur riders to be able to discuss with a pro about a given subject.
just an idea
off course rules would have to be super strict, stick to the subject, and all the haters, out and banned
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We saying its not the time to try sell my bike then :ph34r:
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I'm somewhat of a noob, and this is the only flatland place I go.
I don't / won't do facebook or twitter, and don't really like to browse youtube.
I come here to read the news, see a few edits, and occasionally ask questions.
Drama is on every site, so this should be no different, and I'm not sure how one leaves this site because of drama, and then goes where?
I do with the discussions were more active, but really, there is only so much to discuss. Those who have been here a long time have discussed most topics already. then us new guys show up and re-hash. I'd think some of the longer standing members just skip some of those discussions just because of been there, done that.
There is a great vibe here though if you need help on a trick, people will come from out of the woodwork to give you tips and help you along, and that makes this place pretty awesome.
I wish I could offer up tips on how to generate more participation, I just don't know. I guess it really depends on what you want out of the site, and I'm getting most of what I expect.
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I have been using global for years and years and there is nothing out there like it.
Everything else is mostly news.
I do like the idea of having a pro talk about something like why they have there setup that way and we can ask question but have it heavily watched my mods.
If global could have a clean up with simple looks would be nice. I like the white and black look on the come up
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I dig global-flat! I've made some good friends on this forum. For someone who lives in central Indiana and rides alone, this site is my window to the flatland world. I should make an effort to post more often.
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Nit-picking the sh*t out of Global-Flat isn't going to help. Seriously.....the color scheme, one less click to get into the forums, who cares.
Society is obsessed with facebook and by default the sheep flock there first. Facebook is now it's own "internet" within the internet, it might as well have it's own web browser too. Every commercial entity that I can think of now has a facebook page even though they also have a dedicated website. Why? Because more people now go to facebook than to the regular internet. By choice, companies have given up their creative web-identity conforming to the standard facebook page layout for the sole purpose of more views.....sad really.
Don't even get me started on the retards that link their photos and videos from facebook onto other sites. If you want to do that fine, but please also post up your facebook username and password, so the non-sheep can use it to see the sh*t too.
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I'm still here just like the rest of us!
I have been using global for years and years and there is nothing out there like it.
This!
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All I can say is that if Flatland is going around facebook and twitter and places like that, by doing this isn't it being promoted around the world more??
I know facebook can be a real pain with all the notifications and game requests, but all the younger riders will use facebook more than the older riders. it's the way of life now for kids.
They are constantly on their phone's on facebook, twitter, instagram & youtube. They use these as their forums.
The kids are the sports future, don't we need to show them more flatland??? Isn't posting and social networks the way to do this, "plant the seed" so to speak :)
Flatland where I live is not as popular, and hasn't been for many years, it's just dirt round here. but saying that, there are now a few groups of flatlanders appearing
Flatland is being seen more and more in the UK, even the Olympic Torch relay had Matti Hemmings & Josh Briars in the shows.
The sport needs to be seen to create enthusiasm is the younger riders
Have you ever just rode about, just pulled off a nice little trick in front of some kids and then looked at their faces????
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Just to add, I see nothing wrong with Global flat. I always check up on everything, new parts, bike checks, video's and the forum even though I do not post many times.
long live Global Flat!!!
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I stopped using twitter when terry adams wouldn't stfu every once in a while lol.....
But I don't see how social networking sites have taken over global-flat. GF will always be unique.
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If it aint myspace - then its out of date.
Myspace is to flatland what Mutt is to Kittens.
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If it aint myspace - then its out of date.
Myspace is to flatland what Mutt is to Kittens.
quote of the year
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forum is okay martin.facebook is killing flatland
hahahahahhaha statements.
who remembers pedal bmx?
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Didn't the owner of Pedal....looose the plot? Anyway, Global ain't like that!
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forum is okay martin.facebook is killing flatland
hahahahahhaha statements.
who remembers pedal bmx?
I remember it sort of, don't remember why people stopped using it though.
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BYKE
STFU
DAMN I AM GONE FOR AWHILE AND YOU sh*tHOLES WANT TO TALK
sh*t ABOUT ME AND I AM STILL GONE!
ASSWIPES!
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I was on pedalbmx before I fell out of riding many years ago. ...still have all the old how-to videos I downloaded on a dial up connection.
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- Flatmatters is where everyone goes for videos
- facebook is where everyone goes for fast discussion like "who's riding today at the local spot ? - i am i'll meet you there"
- Global flat is the only place where you can go to have deeper discussions about tricks, styles, trends, constest results...
Global flat needs to focus on what makes it so specific : The Forum. and make it easier to acess and easier to use.
So i suggest Global flat should have a direct acess to its forum on its head page. i mean the head page should be the forum. It should all be about discussions, the rest comes after.
what i would may be do is have three different "global flat"sites : the main one for forum, another one for edits, and then another one for infos, and go from there.
Also, to make it easier on everyone, some people should be banned for ever (i have some names in mind...). Be more severe, this is your site, you don't need to deal with ego people whos only aim is to set your forum on fire, get rid of them. let's have strict rules.
This is exactly how I feel. The forum should BE the main page. Also, some people do indeed need to be banned for life. The continual negativity of a few has turned away countless riders from this site. Kids who are new and are interested in the sport will quit before they get started if someone is a douche to them on here.
I really like the idea of an "Ask a Pro" section where people can get tips and advice. I want to see this site grow and thrive. If some of these ideas are implemented, I bet it will.
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If global could have a clean up with simple looks would be nice. I like the white and black look on the come up
i feel the same...but i'm a fan of the clean look in general.
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and easier way of uploading pictures directly to the site - i hate having to go to photobucket and uploading pictures and then linking it to the thread - not every one has high-speed internet connections...
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and easier way of uploading pictures directly to the site - i hate having to go to photobucket and uploading pictures and then linking it to the thread - not every one has high-speed internet connections...
I'd like to be able to load pictures up from my iPhone, the wifey isn't too keen on me comendeering her laptop for half hr when I need to load pics up :)
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Also, some people do indeed need to be banned for life. The continual negativity of a few has turned away countless riders from this site.
Every forum is the same. The quicker people accept that as a truth about the nature of forums the quicker people can stop using it as a scapegoat as to why this place sees less traffic than years gone by.
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Also, some people do indeed need to be banned for life. The continual negativity of a few has turned away countless riders from this site. Kids who are new and are interested in the sport will quit before they get started if someone is a douche to them on here.
I pushed for this when I was a moderator here, but the other mods and the owner seemed more interested in keeping the drama than into making the forum friendly.
Probably because they thought it brought more traffic/more ads sales to the site.
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I was on pedalbmx before I fell out of riding many years ago. ...still have all the old how-to videos I downloaded on a dial up connection.
I remember pedal bmx, as I was also a member back in the day. Then the whole site just fell apart. I never found out what happened with that. I joined global and never looked back. I refuse to join fb, and I follow only a few people on twitter. So, for me, global is my primary source of flat news. Ego wars need to be kept in check by the moderators, so that potential new riders don't get bummed out when someone posts a discouraging comment about one's skill or ride.
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FYI - Pedal hit issues when the owner became inspired by another website that had a custom look.
Resulting in the owner wanting to hard code his own website and forum, rather than use industry standard free software. The members were very patient at the start, but it soon became clear the software didn't work and that the members had little value since the forum didn't work and the owner refused to put up something that had worked previously as he wanted the users to help him develop the software rather than care for the well established user group. And since the users wanted to talk about flatland rather than figure out ways to contact the owner and report bugs regarding software, people started to emigrate.
To this day the new forum was never completed, or even if it was .... Never loved or used.
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and easier way of uploading pictures directly to the site - i hate having to go to photobucket and uploading pictures and then linking it to the thread - not every one has high-speed internet connections...
I think it would be better to promote people using other places to host media content so they can more easily share them across multiple websites without having to log in just to see the picture or video. I can't link stuff from here to friends who do not have an account, and I don't want to upload it all twice.
Minus seems to be one of the better ones and works great on mobile.
http://minus.com/minusmobile/2 (http://minus.com/minusmobile/2)
http://blog.minus.com/2012/02/28/minus-mobile/ (http://blog.minus.com/2012/02/28/minus-mobile/)
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Also, some people do indeed need to be banned for life. The continual negativity of a few has turned away countless riders from this site. Kids who are new and are interested in the sport will quit before they get started if someone is a douche to them on here.
I pushed for this when I was a moderator here, but the other mods and the owner seemed more interested in keeping the drama than into making the forum friendly.
Probably because they thought it brought more traffic/more ads sales to the site.
I am glad that you pushed for it. The negativity and the drama only drive people away. Maybe it will change in the future...
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I am glad that you pushed for it. The negativity and the drama only drive people away. Maybe it will change in the future...
There have been issues with "negativity" and "drama" going all the way back to the backlash forums. It has never pushed people away. If it did, nobody would be here now.
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No one is here now...
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Yes.
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No one is here now...
There has been hardly a drop of drama on here for months, maybe even over a year now. Most of that sh*t got pushed under a rug a long time ago and never brought up again. Negativity has never ever had anything to do with it. If it did, flatland would be dead, and I would have blood on my hands.
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No one is here now...
There has been hardly a drop of drama on here for months, maybe even over a year now. Most of that sh*t got pushed under a rug a long time ago and never brought up again. Negativity has never ever had anything to do with it. If it did, flatland would be dead, and I would have blood on my hands.
I am not here to point fingers. Facebook, Twitter, and Flatmatters have taken a lot of people away. However, negativity coming from you or anyone else in the past hasn't helped the site. That's for sure.
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I am not here to point fingers.
Oh?
However, negativity coming from you or anyone else in the past hasn't helped the site. That's for sure.
There was literally one sentence between your first statement and that. ONE sentence. Negativity, as you call it, has more often than not taken the form of legitimate criticism of different facets and personalities in the sport with well thought out contributions to the forum. I'm not the most cheery person, but I didn't drive anyone off. If anything, the arguments bring more people on here than anything else. Check the most controversial threads in the history of global if you don't believe me. The viewership on those is insanely high.
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Go back and read the comments on this thread. The majority of people posting are in favor of negative people being banned. No one wants the drama. Sorry.
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Go back and read the comments on this thread. The majority of people posting are in favor of negative people being banned. No one wants the drama. Sorry.
No one commenting in this thread wanted it, but it brought people on here and since it's dropped off the forum has become less active. Empirical evidence stands in the face of whatever you're saying bud.
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i don't know if negativity and fights drive people away, can't speak for the others, but talking about myself yes it drives me away, it is tiring, and very childlish for the most part.
but i don't think that this is essentially why globalflat seems to be on the decline. The answer is already in the question : "have facebok, twitter...killed this message board" ? i would say yes, the interesting question is why and how.
Make global easy to use and read. and increase the natural strength of global wich lies in participation. i had the idea of having a pro here lead a discussion, online battle are still a super good idea may be this could be improved with sponsors giving few things to the winner...?
people here should start giving ideas that would help increase participation. flatmatters is watching, global is participating and sharing. if only a small part of all the energy spent here trying to prove others wrong would be spent in finding new ideas....
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i was thinking lately about ART magazine. hey had a great idea of letting riders from other the world participate actively by writing articles. Local riders writing about their local scene.
i was thinking maybe global flat could release some documented articles like theses. Have a "serious" rider write and document about his scene, and have people discuss that in the forum afterwards? this would drive the riders from that scene to go to global flat...
it shouldn't be about performance like a contest coverage, shouldn't be like a one person interview either, but something more about the day to day practice of a bmx scene in another part of the world, a more intimate approach and share it with everyone so we can compare...
just an idea, may be not the best but if it can give someone else a better idea, never know...
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i don't know if negativity and fights drive people away, can't speak for the others, but talking about myself yes it drives me away, it is tiring, and very childlish for the most part.
but i don't think that this is essentially why globalflat seems to be on the decline. The answer is already in the question : "have facebok, twitter...killed this message board" ? i would say yes, the interesting question is why and how.
Make global easy to use and read. and increase the natural strength of global wich lies in participation. i had the idea of having a pro here lead a discussion, online battle are still a super good idea may be this could be improved with sponsors giving few things to the winner...?
people here should start giving ideas that would help increase participation. flatmatters is watching, global is participating and sharing. if only a small part of all the energy spent here trying to prove others wrong would be spent in finding new ideas....
Thank you.
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...or we could point out the obvious.
When you start a thread talking about why the site is dead, or how members are generally assholes causing drama, suddenly everybody jumps on board. Here we have a five page thread about something that means little to nothing.
People are obviously still around. ...still posting, and this thread shows that. Unfortunately, the only threads stirring things up have nothing to do with flatland, or what brought anyone here in the first place.
Social media hasn't killed global-flat. If anything, it should be enabling global to fill in the gaps that facespace/twitter can't fill. Forums are the roots that allow a lot of us to branch out, exchange information, find other riders and get involved in the flatland scene. Perhaps some of you are just so lucky as to have IRL friends in the flat scene. For a lot of us, that is not the case. Solo rider finds global and interacts in forums. Solo rider finds other riders in the area on forums and starts talking to them. Solo rider adds new friends to facespace. Solo rider ends up getting to know other riders, tweeting about riding times and making new friends irl.
There's a hierarchy to social media so to speak. Every aspect has it's place. Forums are the only means to convey any comprehensive information to a broad audience. ...and for some of us, global was the entrance in to the flatland scene. If you want forums to thrive, you have to understand it's place.
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I didn't drive anyone off.
I know quite a few people who have left this site and quit flatlanding from your attacks on them...
Look, when you start the whole "unless you are at TJ's level of riding you don't have an opinion worth sharing" bit (aka the "armchair flatlander"), you turned off a TON of riders. And since the forum wouldn't get rid of you, people left. And the people that like the sport and dabble in it, are clearly not welcome to share their opinions because you would throw the "if you aren't a pro get out" card. You did the EXACT same thing on pedal. It was always TJ bragging about how awesome he was, and his opinions were the only valid ones. Your level of narcissism is legendary in our sport.
Then global started, and a bunch of riders left pedal when global started up. Global was a great place then, as guys were NICE to each other, and didn't slam on them if they learned tricks that weren't "TJ" approved. There was only a tiny bit of drama, and it took care of itself.
Then you left pedal, and came over here, and as predicted, global became pedal. Same tired drama, same pathetic championing of the "TJ" style of flatland... Same insulting of anyone who doesn't ride to your level, or does tricks that you don't deem "worthy".
And more people left, now you have only a few people to argue with. It is pretty sad and pathetic. What do you have about 27,000 posts now between all of your different user names over the years? And no company has sponsored you with a full ride sponsorship yet... lollolol
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And more people left, now you have only a few people to argue with. It is pretty sad and pathetic. What do you have about 27,000 posts now between all of your different user names over the years? And no company has sponsored you with a full ride sponsorship yet... lollolol
I've always had this brought up and always found it funny. The things I've heard sponsored riders say, and the things I've seen some of them do with my own eyes, is a hundred if not a thousand times worse than anything I've ever said or done on here or any forum anywhere. What people say and do have nothing to do with sponsorships. It's about skill yes, but it's a lot more about WHO you know than anything else. You'll disagree, but the truth of it still stands whether you believe it or not.
People like you would love to blame me for the decline in online flatland, or the sport in general. Thing is, people like me don't do anything to the flow of riders coming in and out of the sport. People leave because people leave. That's just how it is.
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...Here we have a five page thread about something that means little to nothing...
this is a very pessimistic point of view,
let's first wait and see what Martin thinks of all this himself before stating that ideas are pointless and of no use.
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...Here we have a five page thread about something that means little to nothing...
this is a very pessimistic point of view,
let's first wait and see what Martin thinks of all this himself before stating that ideas are pointless and of no use.
Look at it from my perspective. New member joins looking for a dedicated flatland forum. Instead, I find a forum talking about its own death. In the midst, blame is being thrown around haphazardly as to who and why. That's nothing to do with ideas, but everything in between. It has kind of turned me off of global, and that should tell you something.
I've already met some great people here. Aside from checking pms, my favorite part of the site is videos. Not contest runs, but edits from riders themselves just having fun. It's a vibe I'd like to see more of in the forums.
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I've already met some great people here. Aside from checking pms, my favorite part of the site is videos. Not contest runs, but edits from riders themselves just having fun. It's a vibe I'd like to see more of in the forums.
good input! it's not all negative, stay tuned~
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So one thing that hasn't been mentioned so far is that global-flat is the single best resource for looking up parts and how-to's... Seriously, if a frame isn'r currently for sale, its like impossible to find the specs for it, and global flat is the ONLY place with this kind of parts database available.
Also,
They might not be the deepest discussions ever, but when someone new wants to replace their cranks, they get their questions about all the sizes answered quick. You want to know how to take apart and tune that freecoaster, we got you covered! Interested in building a little backyard spot, people on here have great tips! I'm not super into arty discussions about aesthetics, but I'm always willing to take a measurement for somebody.
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I honestly don't care for negativity and drama in the forum.
But, I believe many riders have some strong opinions about things, and conflicting opinions often cause the "drama". Everyone perceives it differently, I try to look at most of it not to seriously, and just as people trying to get their opinions understood. It is also difficult to get your point across in a few typed words, I've posted things that I have read later and realized how wrong or how many different ways it could have been taken. This is one reason I hesitate to post in threads that turn into "drama".
As for the "Armchair flatlander" thing, everyone is free to do what they want. If they don't want to put their riding out there with edits, contests, jams or whatever, that is up to them. And yes they can have opinions too. There has been many of these people hiding behind screen names that were clearly spreading negativity about something, whether it be pumping, turbines, scuffing, newschool, oldschool etc. But yet I only see TJ being blamed for negativity in this thread.
When it comes to skill level, age, oldschool, newschool etc. I have respect for all riders that put their riding out there for others to see. I really like the beginner class in the online battles. But when it comes to someone hiding behind a screen name criticizing techniques, tricks etc. that many riders have worked very hard at in the past and present. Well, I don't care for that..
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I honestly don't care for negativity and drama in the forum.
There has been many of these people hiding behind screen names that were clearly spreading negativity about something, whether it be pumping, turbines, scuffing, newschool, oldschool etc. But yet I only see TJ being blamed for negativity in this thread.
TJ hasn't been blamed. No one has pointed fingers at him and called him out by name. He just entered this thread and so far is the ONLY person who seems to be in support of drama and negativity because it, "brings a lot of traffic to the site", as he says. No one is attacking him. He is free to share his opinion, even if it differs from everyone else's in this thread.
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Dude, you specifically called me out. I even pointed out where you did it. I didn't support anything. I was stating a fact; that drama and negativity brought a lot of attention to this place and kept it going.
Don't agree with me? Take it up with Martin because hes told people straight up that he wants it to perpetuate to increase people getting on here to follow it.
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I believe flatland riders to be a more reserved, older, and more mature bunch so many may come visit to lurk around or do their own research--instead of posting frequently.
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I believe flatland riders to be a more reserved, older, and more mature bunch so many may come visit to lurk around or do their own research--instead of posting frequently.
I think people are more reserved by nature too.
There were two guys in York that were older from Baltimore riding brakeless doing RIDICULOUS rolling links I've never seen anyone else do and all I could think was "where the hell did you come from...?" (aside from.. well you know baltimore)
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ALL I GOT TO SAY
JUST STFU AND GO RIDE
AT LEAST YOU ASS WIPES CAN STILL RIDE
I CAN NOT BECAUSE I AM SICK WITH A RESPIRTORY
DISEASE AND I AM UNABLE TO RIDE!
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Craig, I know you seek great comfort in your feline friends.
But could their fur be a cause for concern? (in regards to your breathing)
Since it could act as an irritant or cross allergy.
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It is definitely true that the threads with drama and controversy get the most views and posts. I think someone could post a video doing a deathtruck standing on the headtube and it wouldn't get the amount of replies that a thread with a bunch of drama in it does, haha! As a few said earlier, global-flat should be about deeper discussions about flatland. These are probably going to lead to some arguments sometimes. Just isn't really a way around that.
Yeah, I agree with flatlanders being more reserved. TJ it's awesome to hear about the older riders from Baltimore that you had not heard of busting out some crazy stuff! I'm hoping there are still some more riders out there (that not to many people know about) that will pop up in a video edit, contest or jam. Wish I would have made it to York this year...
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I really wish riders like that would publish videos. They were doing some really wild creative rolling things I had never seen before.
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Flatland is alive and well without any media! I love the fact that riders still ride without all the media attention! It takes all kinds.
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Facebook sux!!!
I stopped using twitter as its crap too!!!
Forums are so much better in my opinion!!!
I check out global a few times a week but usually only add if I can think of something good or silly to add..
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Yeah, I know what your saying Tod. Riding for themselves and fun. Probably could care less about any attention. I have much respect for riders like this. I actually used to film myself and make edits just for fun and myself, that I didn't ever post. But I loved watching other riders vids that were getting posted. One day I thought, I bet other riders would like to see some of the stuff I'm pulling at my lot, and know that I exist. The next edit I created got uploaded.
Everyone can do what they want, and if online edits are not their thing then so be it. But, like TJ I want to see some of their wild stuff in video edits!
@flatnatics. I'm glad to hear people still like the forum.
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One day I thought, I bet other riders would like to see some of the stuff I'm pulling at my lot, and know that I exist. The next edit I created got uploaded.
That's an interesting point. The thing is...you have something to offer. Your skills are amazing. I've never done an edit because I'm a mediocre rider at best. It's weird...like I'm only taking away from flatland by enjoying others riding...but never giving back...if that makes sense. I try and help beginners with basic tricks...but there's just sooo many better riders that have the experience and ability to offer some better advice or inspiration. You and other "older" riders give me inspiration...Rad Dad, Luke Malone, John Yull, Rick McDonald, Mark McGrade...a bunch of guys really...that I met on this forum, not on Facebook etc. So yeah, I guess that's a good part of why I like this forum. The online battles are always inspirational too. Lot's of good has come from this forum! With any "society", you get the good and the bad...
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STFU BYKE
NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS ABOUT MY CATS
and it has nothing to do with my copd and
other things I have
okay so butt out!
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STFU BYKE
NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS ABOUT MY CATS
and it has nothing to do with my copd and
other things I have
okay so butt out!
Oh well, I am sorry you feel that way.
http://www.epa.gov/aging/solutions/09petdander.htm (http://www.epa.gov/aging/solutions/09petdander.htm)
If you look at the above link, you will see that sufferers of COPD are advised against the ownership of animals with fur or feathers. And it is paramount that you keep your living space clean, so that means you will really need to ensure that urine and fecal matter are dealt with as you cant just ignore them (and NOT left unattended) as you cant risk leaving it around the house in a random fashion.
Also make sure that things like bed sheets and sofas are cleaned thoroughly from such deposits, as you health can not afford for you to wallow in such. Another thing you need to ensure that if any crustaceans or flakes from dried human protein or skin flakes are removed from any kittens fur. Obviously its not for us to question how such got there, but will warn you that owners of animals in state of california are held legally responsible by law. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoophilia_and_the_law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoophilia_and_the_law)
On a side note, let me be one of the first persons to offer my condolences regarding your retirement from flatland. Loosing such a pleasant person from the community will obviously have a great knock on effect.
Look after yourself Craig, and be nice to those kittens.
We dont want to see you typing messages from prison.
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I am writing this as a rider/viewer will be straight with everyone facebook aint saying sh*t when it comes to riders cause most of them dont even chat especially the pro's I am not on twitter cant say much for that..why is flatmattersonline is in this topic? I mean you cant leave comments on videos in that section why one must create a topic if the person is not popular on GB an they post a video on the topics an no one comments they must feel left out..I rate this site a lot it is not dead this site got more things going than other sites I mean check the different tabs should say it all. This site really did a good deal for flat riders. The only way this site can be "lively as much as it is already" is if the people that are on it make it happen. Big eg. Look how many people commented on this post.
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I've never done an edit because I'm a mediocre rider at best.
will you shut up and make an edit.
In fact, everyone here make an edit.
I'm going to go make an edit of SOMETHING even if it's me cursing at gravel because I'm sick of riding like sh*t and not knowing how bad it looks.
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i kind of don't mind the lack of bro-fisting that goes on here compared to other online locations, but i would like to see more discussions, more talk about upcoming jams, contests, whatever. deep life changing talks about switch handed steams and how our weight consciousness caused the 48 hole hub to become extinct. stuff like that. i think it's coming back tho. by winter this place will be hopping again :)
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I've never done an edit because I'm a mediocre rider at best.
will you shut up and make an edit.
In fact, everyone here make an edit.
I'm going to go make an edit of SOMETHING even if it's me cursing at gravel because I'm sick of riding like sh*t and not knowing how bad it looks.
That is something that I need to do... make an edit. We can all contribute to the site, no matter what are skill levels are. I usually get more inspiration by watching someone who is an am than a pro anyway. I can relate to the tricks more.
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Someone needs to make a bro-fisting edit. That would be dope.
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who's going 1st!?
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i honestly think this website could use some radical changes in design, that would attract a lot of people back. the color scheme is really un-appealing and the home page seems to be a cluster f*ck of information. no offense I'm just being honest. i think the rapid progression of web development is leaving this site in the dust. sites like Facebook and twitter are hot sites with heavy heavy design being put into them. they're more easy and fun to communicate and share information on. this site is honestly kind of boring nowadays. look at flatmatters.com, it has a real clean, simple and fresh look. one of the reasons I'm attracted to flatmatters is simply because of the design of the site. its way more visually appealing. obviously i know that global-flat is a lot more complex than flatmatters, but there are endless opportunities. also i find myself unattracted to the media section lately (one of the biggest reasons i used to come to this site). i mean why go to global-flat than to the forum than media section than read through topics and than go into a topic to view one video, when i can simply scroll down the flat matters homepage and see pretty much all of those videos embedded right onto it? i just think there is a lot of potential and opportunities with this site design that need to be realized if global wants to make a comeback.
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thecomeupbmx.net is a very well designed site, i also like blog.defgrip.net a lot. good sites to look at for inspiration. the lay out of the forum isn't bad actually its the homepage that definitely needs major renovations along with over all color scheme modifications. and working on areas like that shouldn't disrupt the functionality of the forum. user submitted bike checks, user submitted videos, user submitted photos, event calendars, hot forum topics, parts discussions, contest photos are all unique to global-flat and definitely could be brought visually to the home page instead of being 5 clicks a way. lets face it people like to scroll not click onto new pages. i think global-flat is a good place for photos where as flatmatters focuses pretty much only on videos. keep those contest photos up to date! 'todays riding video version' and 'post your bike pics' are definitely two of the hottest and most unique topics to this site, how about shooting for a bike pic of the day everyday and a video of the day from 'todays riding video version' everyday on the homepage? that could keep people visiting everyday and lead them to explore the site more. maybe working on the profiles of the forum members a bit more so people could actually post pics and videos more easily and than people who are friends can comment on each others profiles, it could lead to more communal activity with less of the public bullsh*t.
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The main page, header banner & logo defo does need a major design to bring it up to looking more current. That is 100% certain.
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sh*t needs to come back to Global again, where riders once met...
but I'll tell thee something...
both Bikeguide.Org and bmx-forum.com have been both hit by the same problem too, and we are talking in and around the same period in my experience.... So Global...don't take this too personally!
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The main page, header banner & logo defo does need a major design to bring it up to looking more current. That is 100% certain.
Like this! >>>
http://mashafix.com (http://mashafix.com)
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The main page, header banner & logo defo does need a major design to bring it up to looking more current. That is 100% certain.
Like this! >>>
[url]http://mashafix.com[/url] ([url]http://mashafix.com[/url])
I think Martin can do better than a wordpress template haha
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thank you bmxfreak for the input. not to be spammy, but my own personal site(www.flatstylebmx.com (http://www.flatstylebmx.com)) was fairly well promoted, and really as clean as technologically possible, yet it does not hold attention. it is only slightly more than 1 dimensional, yet imo very easy on the eyes.
it's good to hear things about the look of this site tho. if people generally want it to change, i think it's good for us to be aware of that. to compare global-flat to a site such as flatmatters is an unfair comparison tho. dig around a bit on here and you may be amazed at the shear amount and variety of information and content available within a few clicks :) i am not sure why sometimes there is much posting, and sometimes there is little posting, but we will continue on with the best in mind!
thanks for posting!
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I agree. You cannot compare Global flat to Flatmatters. I check them both out for different things, and you are right, when you talk about what you can find here on Global Flat. There is so much info about everything flatland from all over the world ;)
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These days, global-flat becoming more and more similar to flatmatters.
Many videos (some of them are not worth to watch) are posted.
I was surprised to see "flashback" series...
I like both, so I cant stand for this.
Let originality define individuality --- please understand your originality, your style, your individuality, global-flat.
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hahaha Bro fisting...
ive been digging through the GF forum alot lately, trick tips and such.
I ballsed up and ditch the FB a while back, best thing ever.
it would be great if GF become the central location once again, as it seemed years ago.
im not into all this other social media stuff, but surely its way to time consuming shooting around to each social media thing trying to get the latest, constantly connected in some way.
i still think GF is doing it sweet, the edits, the new parts and the forum for descussion. then again i dont see what goes on with FB.
Maybe GF, it does need a little redesign and mabye some of the elements can be Cut, for the new way things are heading.
Although the BRO FISTING gets a little heavy. We have seen worse. Vital i dont check often but its a pit of bro fisting.
bro fisting... new favourite term
Wait wait .. a late suggestion.
a collaboration......sorry if anyone has suggested this already.
Althought we see the the same content as far as edits goes on both flatmatters and GF. why does it seem to be one or the other. shouldnt it just be one HQ and everyone who is putting forth flatland content posts it there and not all over the place.
Some talks with effraim. Hes allways in the good of flatland.
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When I started riding there was no flatland content on the web-like three flat videos total, that you could get from trend or dans, and I had one or two AFA home videos of derick schott to learn from. This website is amazing. I dont know of any other website forum with its own market for flat, or members map for finding people to ride, bike config etc. Although I agree, it needs a facelift and some restructuring. I dont know why more people dont use it- its the first place I look everyday
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When I started riding there was no flatland content on the web-like three flat videos total, that you could get from trend or dans, and I had one or two AFA home videos of derick schott to learn from. This website is amazing. I dont know of any other website forum with its own market for flat, or members map for finding people to ride, bike config etc. Although I agree, it needs a facelift and some restructuring. I dont know why more people dont use it- its the first place I look everyday
That's great to hear! We are currently getting the ball rolling on a facelift for the site. While this topic is active, if any of you have suggestions on what would make it either easier to use, or easier on the eyes, please feel free to chime in. We'll take note of all suggestions as we go. Thanks!
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Will do JM- anyone who's been around the flat community for any length of time knows loss- whether thats manufacture support through products or resources such as this one- what happens when the owner of a site doesnt renew a domain? Just like that, its gone, and we are the ones that lose. Thanks for what you guys do- most of us just ride our bikes-
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This board should always be alive and well. There is a limit to how many friend requests one can take from random flatlanders all over the world. To a point it's cool, to another, it's kind of creepy and this is a nice place to converse with everyone. I also didn't have a clue what kind of community was out there until I actually found this place.
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Bring back the Brits!!!! I miss their unique style of Trollin'...It's seeming kinda stale lately, lots of reading, yet not alot of posting.I do try to kickstart new threads as much as I can. Videos are cool tho. And if someone needs a mod real quick, most are non existant or hiding, why is that? I think Lou4130 is the only one who doesnt hide or is at least on enough to be visible should a newb have a question or concern. Good to see Jeff and TJ on once and a while,always great posts from them. Just my two cents..carry on.
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You know I was once an active Global-flat poster some time ago and during my absence I would come on here not as a post critic, yet just a watcher. What I learned from watching was that this forum had turned more into controlling egos, nepotism and just plain ignorance from members who really just needed time to grow up and this just like that of Pedal who remember what the reason for its downfall was.
On the upside, Global-flat really has taken flatland and given it a pedestal to stand on... No more sharing a forum with aggravated street and vert riders who thought we were nothing more than Circus Clowns on funny looking bikes to small to ride. Global-flat was and is still the most up to date forum out there for information reguarding flatland.. It is our voice, so why abuse it or take it away. Someone spends their time trying to keep this site up to par for all the die hard "I just want to ride" flatlanders who breath, eat and sleep flatland.. Not for the spoiled I can ride better than you anyday riders who don not understand what a real flatland community is, can be or should be.
We have a chance to be strong like the skaters did in the 90's by taking their sport to a new level. Skaters too once had flatland as part as their sport until skaters like Chis Mullen combined it into one style and that is what you see today. This is our second chance... It took a popular rider to bring back a riding style that had been around for forever in order for most of these Band Wagoners to jump on it... Almost like robots when We have been screaming "Freestyle" since Flatland boards began.
In other words.. Lets keep this site alive by giving it the respect it deserves.. Honestly, where would you go if this site had gone away.. Something you should think about cause Facebook is going to be the new Myspace and we all knew what happen to that :P
I left for a reason, but now I am back for a reason.. To support something that has supported me thru the years :beer:
Get back on board guys! :beer:
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You know I was once an active Global-flat poster some time ago and during my absence I would come on here not as a post critic, yet just a watcher. What I learned from watching was that this forum had turned more into controlling egos, nepotism and just plain ignorance from members who really just needed time to grow up and this just like that of Pedal who remember what the reason for its downfall was.
On the upside, Global-flat really has taken flatland and given it a pedestal to stand on... No more sharing a forum with aggravated street and vert riders who thought we were nothing more than Circus Clowns on funny looking bikes to small to ride. Global-flat was and is still the most up to date forum out there for information reguarding flatland.. It is our voice, so why abuse it or take it away. Someone spends their time trying to keep this site up to par for all the die hard "I just want to ride" flatlanders who breath, eat and sleep flatland.. Not for the spoiled I can ride better than you anyday riders who don not understand what a real flatland community is, can be or should be.
We have a chance to be strong like the skaters did in the 90's by taking their sport to a new level. Skaters too once had flatland as part as their sport until skaters like Chis Mullen combined it into one style and that is what you see today. This is our second chance... It took a popular rider to bring back a riding style that had been around for forever in order for most of these Band Wagoners to jump on it... Almost like robots when We have been screaming "Freestyle" since Flatland boards began.
In other words.. Lets keep this site alive by giving it the respect it deserves.. Honestly, where would you go if this site had gone away.. Something you should think about cause Facebook is going to be the new Myspace and we all knew what happen to that :P
I left for a reason, but now I am back for a reason.. To support something that has supported me thru the years :beer:
Get back on board guys! :beer:
Thank you very much! That means a lot to the team here at Global-Flat! Forums have highs and lows, and I hope to see even more activity here in the future. There was a time when there was quite a lot of discord and fighting, but I think those days are gone. Really the mood has changed and it is now a very positive place to connect with other riders!
Thanks to all you guys (and girl) that help keep the site alive! An active forum helps motivate riders, and also attract new ones, so let's get back to that!
cheers
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I'm a Brit, does that mean I have to troll :(
I go on here everyday, but only post if its something I can help with. Or I have an idea.
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No trolling from this part of England neither!
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No, EzChris, Blinding,Ciaran ect.... Not you guys, they just kept things a bit light hearted around here is all....it was fun to read when I got home and read...they have wit, and its funny as hell.
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hahaha
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Lmao!!
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This message board was "dead" years ago. Social media didn't do anything.
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How Negative you are..
If it was "dead" a long time ago??? Then why are you Beating this Dead Horse ???
I was asked to leave you alone years ago, because I got under your skin and you ran to everyone kicking and screaming "She's Badgering me" >:D so I left and let the members judge and see who you truly are... Negative!!!
By the looks of this thread.. My idea paid off :beer:
You are an awesome rider (Boba Fett), but you are so negative.. You bring us down and you micro manage everyone on here..you really need to rethink before you post a comment, because you truly are a Bully of the flatland community.
Flatlandfuel lost alot of customers because of you.. many riders have said so.. to the poin..t a few of us went to Danscomp and got them to pull alot of flat distro that they have now.
I guess you can say.. that not only did you kill two forums, but your own sponsor too! ::)
If I were pat I would kick your Arse! :beer: but he has dug his own grave of problems in the flatland community aswell.
So what I said right now I am sure "Most" agree.. Minus the KA's on your Band Wagon ;D
Have a Great Day Tj or should I say " Forum Killer " B)
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What.
Pat isn't my sponsor. He has never been one and it's never been discussed between the two of us. We're friends but that's about it.
If I killed the forums, it must have been like, 12 years ago when I first visited one so they've been dead for a long time and my point still stands. I haven't done anything. Most might agree they think I'm a jerk, but that has never hindered forum activity. I have hardly been on here the last few years yet somehow the forum is now considered "dead"? Right.
If pat lost customers because of me, when I'm not even sponsored by him, then those people are morons who don't even know who they're supporting. Go to Danscomp if you want, but you're not hurting me you're hurting Pat and that's on you guys.
For the record, you've never chased me away from here. I just got tired of dealing with idiots whose whole riding lives revolved around global flat and posting pictures of their unridden bikes.
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Most might agree they think I'm a jerk
You said it Buddy.. Not me, but I am glad that you agree that you are doing a great job at being a jerk!! :beer:
As for posting pics of unridden bikes?? Never that my friend :) and if someone did post a pic of their unridden bike.. Why would you care if they ride it or not??? Jealous casue you can't have that unridden bike :) Really??? Come up with something better than that Tj :P
As for your sponsor... Pat! You totally missed what I meant by flatland fuel being your sponsor and I figured you would smart one ;D
What I meant was... You would post on every comment whether it had to do with you or not and somehow, someway you would find a way to tie Pat and flatland fuel and how great he is and that you support him into the topic. You even went as far as to start a topic of support dedicated to flatland fuel. Why??? When you would shut down every other topic.. Hmmmmm... Somebody was looking for a sponsor :D Get it now smart one :P
Now, on the issue of being chased away >:D You could'nt handle what I dished back to you on here or on Pedal and the post still remain in stone. You even went as far as slaying a riders name in vein... that is how inconsiderate you are. You are a joke! >:(
Poor Boba Fett playing the victim card now... Hmmmmm.. Do I have to explain the Boba Fett name to you too ::)
Well, lets hear what you are going to say because WE all know you have to get the last word in O0 Itsin your nature! B)
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Holy cats this is old news. Let's move along!
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Wow AZ. You're one of the dumbest people I've ever encountered on here. Now I remember why forums are a waste of time. People like you.
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I agree lets move on!! :beer: I have a few ideas that would be useful to all riders. Lets put in a section that is in demand into existance :beer:
For example.. The nankai hub has yet to be beat, but it can always be upgraded. So how many people are willing to buy ti upgrade parts from lets say Bluesix.
Well, Bluesix now has an idea that there is a demand for product and how many to make due to the number of hits it may gain.
This will help the companies and distro that sell them know what they really need as opposed to having a clearance of items when items don't sell :beer:
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I agree lets move on!! :beer: I have a few ideas that would be useful to all riders. Lets put in a section that is in demand into existance :beer:
For example.. The nankai hub has yet to be beat, but it can always be upgraded. So how many people are willing to buy ti upgrade parts from lets say Bluesix.
Well, Bluesix now has an idea that there is a demand for product and how many to make due to the number of hits it may gain.
This will help the companies and distro that sell them know what they really need as opposed to having a clearance of items when items don't sell :beer:
May not be much more demand for high-priced nankai parts now that the new NYB nankai hubs are out! Way lighter too ;)
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Boy do topics goes astray quick.
Back to global flat.
I dont see a problem still.
Flatland in general i cant see how anyone could say its dead.
Most guys i now who ride any other form of bmx are dead and out by 25.
Flatlanders seem to be like metal heads. They never die.
Even in a business suit flatland has shaped there mentality and direction on life.
Its alive in there garages and work sheds. Just becuase we dont see it all on the net.
Its still out there doing alright. Better then other forms.
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Flat's not dead bro, it's just evolving.
So should the message board. There is no point in rehashing old arguments from years ago
between people that have never met.
Let's talk about real stuff like how flatland is turning into to street, with steamrollers. :)
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Let's talk about real stuff like how flatland is turning into to street, with steamrollers. :)
It's turning into something I can do! :)
When I got the idea to start riding flat I got rid of my park bike and ended up with a flat specific bike, then on joining this forum I noticed everybody's bike looked like the bike I just got rid of :( gave it a year on a bike that just felt too cramped n now I'm on a bike for all things especially street/flat
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I used to always go on this forum, but not anymore. I just check randomly at times, rarely.
Facebook is now my approach for up to date news. And occasionally checking BMX blogs for new video post that I may have missed on Facebook.
To me people are more polite on Facebook, and everything is a lot more welcomeing, its just a nice positive experience, and people won't bash on others or run their opinions down peoples throat since its their own personal profile and their identity is exposed.
vs. on here i've felt, people can hide their identity, can be rude, immature, troll, negative experience.
It got to the point this just doesn't interest me as much anymore as before.
I rather send a private message to a friend on Facebook that can help me with a trick, than post here where people can try to correct me with their own opinion of what I should rather be doing.
Facebook and blog sites are the way to go for me.
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I deleted my account previously as generally I feel this site is poorly managed.
And with past censoring etc, and obscene bias.
I have just re-registered my account to see if anything has really changed?
But since this thread itself is still up, it clearly shows you that the same issues obviously have not been resolved.
The forum should always have been a free entity, as it was content generated by the actual contributors.
However as past action has shown, management has stepped over the line many times in terms of moderation that go way beyond the role of its ownership of such submissions.
Personally, I feel facebook is a breath of fresh air.
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Flatland is for weirdos and fiddie kidlers.
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And a dab of "bro fisting"
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Wahhhhhh. Did globalflat kill pedalbmx?
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This forum may not be dead.... but this topic is :beer:
Anybody who post under me is saying that TJ is an idiot >:D
Really quitter? You have one post and you pull out a Tj reference.. Ok Buddy, LMAO
;D
Boba Fett, Boba Fett! :P
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I used to always go on this forum, but not anymore. I just check randomly at times, rarely.
Facebook is now my approach for up to date news. And occasionally checking BMX blogs for new video post that I may have missed on Facebook.
To me people are more polite on Facebook, and everything is a lot more welcomeing, its just a nice positive experience, and people won't bash on others or run their opinions down peoples throat since its their own personal profile and their identity is exposed.
vs. on here i've felt, people can hide their identity, can be rude, immature, trjoll, negative experience.
It got to the point this just doesn't interest me as much anymore as before.
I rather send a private message to a friend on Facebook that can help me with a trick, than post here where people can try to correct me with their own opinion of what I should rather be doing.
Facebook and blog sites are the way to go for me.
On FB, I get to pick and choose who I converse with - BMX'ers who are positive and have good things to say. I've found that forums provide too much trolling and flaming, and I'm not interested in that. GF really doesn't offer me much except the non-forum stuff like videos. Also, I like to see what's going on in the Marketplace. Bantering in the General Section? Over it. I don't need negativity in my life.
Trick of the month is cool, because the man who drives that thread (RadDad) is one of the most positive riders out there. Mark is always inspiring, has great things to say, and is loyal to flatland.
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Myself and "Bri Jon", have just had posts removed from another thread on this board.
This is just another reason why I hope this site continues to slide into oblivion.
The sheer bias and secret handshakes that allow such censorship through the management of this site is enough to know that even if Flatland was to become more streamlined in the future and better organised.
That having GF somehow working together as a partner would be like choosing Klaus Barbie as a baby sitter for your kids.
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I have lost alot of respect from this forum now. And what was removed was really well written and was said from all sides and his side. But it got deleted because someone didn't like his side and someone may loose money.
But we can rant about company's copying ideas and how their parts break? Those comments dont get deleted.
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Can it be said that ALL BMX forums suck? If it isn't a tightly wound, highly moderated site, it's a bunch of puberty driven kids "typin lak dis u kno ha ha" and an abundance of trolling, flaming and baiting. Lot's of arguments over footjam tailwhips and going brakeless.
BMXMuseum may be the only site that has a level of maturity that I'm cool with. This site does too - that is, among the users. Even if you don't agree with them, it is still pretty good. Lot's of people find TJ to be a source of conflict, but the man does it with maturity and stature. He's not trolling, by any means. He just may have a different opinion and vocalizes it.
On FB, my friends are positive people in my age group. There are plenty of young riders with utmost maturity, but unfortunately, there are a million douchebag troll kids that run rampant. I don't need to be part of that. Example: I know some riders are starting to experiment with coaster brakes again. I can only imagine the douchebag comments from stupid, self-entitled trolls if such a thing was posted on a BMX forum.
Moderators have an allegiance to advertisers, so they moderate accordingly. Remember that. Some sites allow criticism of their advertisers - which I think is fair and just.
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Emotionally under developed people like you are the problem with your paradoxical "only love and positivity allowed " utopian ideals its called obsession with self and i guess a branch of rationalism ie judging things solely by how they make you feel (like a toddler does) instead of processing everything using the full scale of faculties available to you from your brain not to mention how f*cking cowardly it is.
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Who else sees the Irony with this guy having only two post?? LMAO!!
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Yeah, and you have 104 posts and you're already being a douchebag. My old account had several thousand posts, are you going to be a douchebag to me because I decided to start a new one?
It's interactions like that that drives people away from forums.
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I love this thread. Stay positive Gary Quitter!
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Gary quitter just saw his first pube
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Yeah, and you have 104 posts and you're already being a douchebag. My old account had several thousand posts, are you going to be a douchebag to me because I decided to start a new one?
It's interactions like that that drives people away from forums.
How Ironic this post gets... ;D
"how f*cking cowardly it is" - Gary Quitter ::)
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I barely visit GF anymore, i havent been riding at all recently because of sh*te weather, no bike & injury. You would think id swarm this place but there arent very many people on here i think damn i must get back on Global & see what so & so has said. I think the community spirit of this place has died. People who have been her a long time just chat on facebook now, I chat to a couple of members on facebook every now & then. I do however think its a great place to learn about contests & little jams. I would never of known about Battle Vibes if i hadnt seen it on here & i had a great time there. This place has its uses, just not a whole lot of them anymore.
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Pssh..
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I see :
- Censorship is still ridiculous, do the readers know that the word "F I C K L E" is censored? Why would a word as such be censored? No wonder less and less people post here anymore (apart from the wanted adds which now resemble a phonebox with calling cards).
- That this page now has lots of spam which goes for days without being removed.
- Very few people post here anymore.
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Globals resident false prophet of doom?
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I try to clean spam daily, but sometimes I'm too busy. It's not the end of the world either way. We do our best.
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Good to see that things have picked up.
I wonder what could be to blame for such exodus?
;D
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I agree.
An indicator can be the For sale Forum here.
2 years ago tuff used to sell very fast in the marketplace section, now it takes forever or doesn't sell at all.
but you can't sell or buy on flat matters can you? and i must be missing the busy flatland buy and sell on fb because this is the only place i know of to get used flat parts (besides ebay but you can buy petrified poop on ebay so they take traffic for everything)
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Don't die Global-Flat!
;_;