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English => General Flatland Forum => Topic started by: Therapy on July 11, 2012, 05:33:22 PM
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Today i went to comment on a video and my comment isn't going through. I guess unless I kiss ass , i cant comment. That is some major BS. idc tho. I'm just gonna post the video and my opinion here for the time being. Skullcandy Bmx Flatland (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1GECTVZV1E#ws) Therapy July 11, 2012
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So, chris bohm purposely went to the most crowded place he could find just to show off.
This is the biggest problem with flatland. People that ride for egotistical purposes. ie. just to show off rather then progress.
Normally bystanders ignore flatland and there’s nothing wrong with that.
so Chris thought he should get extremely close to them and put them at a risk. so that way they couldn’t ignore him.
He gets a sense of satisfaction from people liking him rather than from self-improvement.
People are unaware . So they think the easiest things are impressive. and this is what people like chris take advantage of.
He goes out to a public place and does time machines and cliffhangers. And this edit is worth putting on the site? what a joke.
And skull candy is literally the worst and most hated headphones on the net but thats besides the point. (google it)
UPDATE : My comments were being marked as spam for some reason. Must be an error. Cheers everyone.
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This is the biggest problem with flatland. People that ride for egotistical purposes. ie. just to show off rather
thats crap. where is the problem for "flatland" ? its more a benefit to make it more popular.
i think your reason of writing this is, that you dont like chris böhm respectively showoffs like him (and thats ok, me neither).. and come on, a pro could do a video of fork-glide-variations and it would be on flatmatters... its a site/blog which gathers the most "relevant" flat-vids of the day
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without people like him "showing off" alot of people would know what the f*ck flatland is , dont u see the people in the vid there really digging it there not annoyed he just done it straight in front of them if he done that at a few schools i think wed have a few more rider about the show!
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All that is nice. but look at the crowd. It's all middle aged people and some semi-cute girls. I guess he thinks one of the housewives or husbands are going to be so impressed by him that they will learn flatland? Give me a break.
Do you really think going to a crowded train station is a benefit to flatland.?
The guy is looked at as a public nuisance and safety hazard.
look at 0:22
what if that guy was texting while walking? I'm guessing Chris doesn't really care about things like that.
And he has probably already had an accident with someone walking into him or hitting someone accidently.
He must have blamed the pedestrian and put on an attitude. Like most flatlanders who try and ride in public places generally do (sean fontenot).
Although I do agree about the forkglide variations part.
And skullcandy is crap.
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skullcandy is pureeee sh*teeee ill give you that,and yes the whole crowded thing watching it again is abit toooo tight like my local spot (only flat bit in NI lol) is a public place but a big place and not many people walk through it more around it, he is abit dangerouse like most of them people dident even expect it if he had hit someone i geuss it would have given bmx in general a worse name than it already has
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the first part of this edit featuring chris bohm was shot during the 'bread and butter' tradeshow in berlin, last week i belive. This tradeshow is a major tradeshow for clothing brands in Europe. lots of shows happen over there, people go there to see and buy collections, watch fashion shows, and see new things. Chris is only doing his job over there, doing a show for skulcandy and attracting attention for the brand.
this place is not a public place the way you imagined it was.
visual informations can be confusing, and most of the time you need to know the background to fully understand what is really going on. pictures and videos can be interpretated a lot of different ways, depending on who is watching, what he actually knows, and what his personality tells him to think.
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So, chris bohm purposely went to the most crowded place he could find just to show off.
This is the biggest problem with flatland. People that ride for egotistical purposes. ie. just to show off rather then progress.
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He gets a sense of satisfaction from people liking him rather than from self-improvement.
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Ok, he likes to show off, there's nothing wrong with that but how can you claim that he isn't progressing or wants to progress? Do you know him, ride with him?
And even if you believe that is true, that's the biggest problem in flatland? Really?
Only half of the video is at the train station, the other half he is completely alone. That is only 50% show off then..
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so Chris thought he should get extremely close to them and put them at a risk. so that way they couldn’t ignore him.
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I don't think that's the case, there's not much room there and he is confident on his precision so he thought it was ok to ride there.
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as i said , this is not a trainstation, it is Berlin's old tempelhof airport, that's where the bread and butter tradeshow happens. In 'tradeshow', you will eaasily notice that the word 'show' is present. This place is all about showing, it was organised for that purpose
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Today i went to comment on a video and my comment isn't going through. I guess unless I kiss ass , i cant comment. That is some major BS. idc tho. I'm just gonna post the video and my opinion here for the time being. Skullcandy Bmx Flatland ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1GECTVZV1E#ws[/url]) Therapy July 11, 2012
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So, chris bohm purposely went to the most crowded place he could find just to show off.
This is the biggest problem with flatland. People that ride for egotistical purposes. ie. just to show off rather then progress.
Normally bystanders ignore flatland and there’s nothing wrong with that.
so Chris thought he should get extremely close to them and put them at a risk. so that way they couldn’t ignore him.
He gets a sense of satisfaction from people liking him rather than from self-improvement.
People are unaware. So they think the easiest things are impressive. and this is what people like chris take advantage of.
He goes out to a public place and does time machines and cliffhangers. And this edit is worth putting on the site? what a joke.
And skull candy is literally the worst and most hated headphones on the net but thats besides the point. (google it)
Even if you dont like show offs, you have to admit that more publicity is not bad for flatland. He is not risking anyone while he is riding there. Well not more, then I do at my regular riding spot!
Often times you have to adjust to whatever sh*tty conditions there are just to satisfy the people for whom you ride the shows! So dont judge anyone if you dont know the background.
If I had to take a guess, I would say that you were not censored because you dont kiss ass, but simply because every comment you give on Chris (I have never read anything else by you) is pure negativity.
do yourself a favor and stop with the criticism and cynism! believe me, you get nothing but negative feelings out of this
and yes, skullcandy are propably the worst headphones there are. just won them at a skateboarding contest
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after giving a second look you will notice the tanktop he wears has the same logotype/artwork as on the black wall right behind (a croos upside down). the black wall of a brand booth, It is a brand he is riding for that has its booth right there, so it makes sense for him to ride ride in front. maybe the brand even asked him to do so.
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Boohoo.
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Im pretty stoked that you hold you opinion so high, and get pissed when you get censored. You seem to be very passionate about flatland, seeing as you point everything out thats wrong with flatland. But for someone who doesn't care about what people think and hate show offs, why be all hidden and anonymous? If these things that make you mad and piss you off, do something that you personally think is better.
You keep mentioning progress. How have you actually contributed to progression of riders and our sport with the way you talk to people? Sure constructive criticism is never a bad thing, but you just come off like an asshole. You have all these facts of how things should be and how riders should be, but how can any of that be taken seriously from a random "rider" hiding behind a keyboard?
Some of the stuff you say is true, and makes a bit of sense. But all credibility goes out the window when its just being spewed from some anonymous internet nobody.
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after giving a second look you will notice the tanktop he wears has the same logotype/artwork as on the black wall right behind (a croos upside down). the black wall of a brand booth, It is a brand he is riding for that has its booth right there, so it makes sense for him to ride ride in front. maybe the brand even asked him to do so.
I haven't seen the video ... Is he riding for lord clothing now?
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Boohoo.
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Who doesnt like to show off? I sure do but i guess thats bad and makes you not progress. Dang
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after giving a second look you will notice the tanktop he wears has the same logotype/artwork as on the black wall right behind (a croos upside down). the black wall of a brand booth, It is a brand he is riding for that has its booth right there, so it makes sense for him to ride ride in front. maybe the brand even asked him to do so.
I haven't seen the video ... Is he riding for lord clothing now?
i don't think its Lords, it s a whole different style of clothing, higher fashion brand. May be he was just doing a one day show for them and that's it, i have no idea.
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Chris bohm is dope! Quit hating :rolleyes:
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So I have read and carefully considered all your replies.
1) So apparently he's riding at a show.
Idgaf. The point is that unfortunately flatland attracts the wrong kind of people.
The kind that are hungry for attention. They will learn flatland only to showoff. And like i said the audience is easily impressed/fooled. Riders of this type often rely on gimmicks rather then technique.
They are desperate for the approval and admiration of strangers. And their riding and "tricks" will show this. They ride only for the sake of "looking cool" rather then "self-improvement".
So every time you see a person looking up at the judges/audience during sidesqueaks.
Everytime you see a person take his hat off a pass it around the back during a megaspin.
Everytime you see an idiot take his shirt off whilst flatlanding.
ask yourself: What part of flatland technique is that? Where is the flatland in that!?
2) Some people have an issue with my anonymity.
Don't worry about who I am. I've been on flatmatters before. And not on some sh*tass old school sunday.
However, I think i will take your advice and ease up on the negativity a little. for the time being.
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So I have read and carefully considered all your replies.
1) So apparently he's riding at a show.
Idgaf. The point is that unfortunately flatland attracts the wrong kind of people.
The kind that are hungry for attention. They will learn flatland only to showoff. And like i said the audience is easily impressed/fooled. Riders of this type often rely on gimmicks rather then technique.
They are desperate for the approval and admiration of strangers. And their riding and "tricks" will show this. They ride only for the sake of "looking cool" rather then "self-improvement".
So every time you see a person looking up at the judges/audience during sidesqueaks.
Everytime you see a person take his hat off a pass it around the back during a megaspin.
Everytime you see an idiot take his shirt off whilst flatlanding.
ask yourself: What part of flatland technique is that? Where is the flatland in that!?
I tend to agree with this to a point. Sure I can do silly things like bar rides and make goofy gestures while in a hitchhiker or any trick where an arm is free or whatever, but its really a shame where people remember the gimmick sort of thing and not the actual technical part of the trick example would be if they were cross legged, switch hand/footed do a technical jump etc.
I guess thisiwhatireallythink's point is that this gimmicky stuff leads to people getting over inflated egos. You do something weird and gimmicky in a demo or contest and it leads to some people in the crowd going nuts and they only stick with these sorts of gimmicky tricks and don't further progress their riding because they feel the need to impress these sorts of people, and since they only have to do basic tricks to impress people they don't further their riding potential. This isn't the case with all riders. I sometimes do a bar ride for little kids and they get stoked and are trying tricks and if something stupid like that gets someone to at least pick up a bike and try, I got someone into flat with little to no effort. Its not something I go out and practice so i can impress, sometimes its for sh*ts and giggles.
When it comes to riding in crowded public places though, I feel that its a hit and a miss. Where it does "promote" flatland it seems to be rather odd why anyone would ride where a million things could go wrong, but I guess that is their choice. Should we really be judging peoples character and riding motives through where they ride at though?
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If some like to ride in front of others, or with no shirt, so be it. Some riders do like the attention, while others ride for themselves. Every rider has a different personality, some have high egos, some quiet, others in between. For myself, I dont mind doing the odd show, comp, event etc, but for everyday riding I prefer to be out of the limelight with minimal people watching.
As for Chris, maybe he likes the attention but it doesn't matter. We are all individuals. I like his outgoing style. Each riders different style and personality makes flatland more unique.
When we point a finger at others there are three more pointing at ourselves.
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i agree Paradoxium, there are many different personalities, everyone leads their own life the way they want to...freedom.
i think it all goes a bit wrong when one's actions and behavior are reinterprated by someone else.
I mean for example assuming that some guy is a show off because he rides withourt a shirt on.. It is just assumptions, not evidence.
There are many different reasons why a person would ride without a shirt on (may be it's too hot ?), and choosing one of the reason amongst all the existing isn't very rational thinking. it's projection of one's personality onto someone elses action.
what i want to say is that judging can be treacherous, it is a hard task, you need informations and documentation, you need to observe and listen before speaking, and often you need more than one point of view.
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Wow. Trying to expose flatland to as many people as possible.
What a dick.
Yeah, that's the biggest problem in flatland. Whatever that even means.
I would say it's bike price, but f*ck what do I know? But it's definitely Bohm turning different people on to the riding.
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@ creator of this post. Do you really think Chris Bohm, cares about what you think? He has his own Flatland Way, and this pays his bills, and freedom to be.
Create your own vision of Flatland for yourself. Isn't this what its(Action Sports) all about, individualism, and once in while there is unity in diversity.
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Wow. Trying to expose flatland to as many people as possible.
What a dick.
Yeah, that's the biggest problem in flatland. Whatever that even means.
I would say it's bike price, but f*ck what do I know? But it's definitely Bohm turning different people on to the riding.
;D Welcome back Joekickass.
Welcome back.
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I ride with my shirt on in a parking lot behind an abandonned building. I buy my headphones at the dollar store and I have never done a time machine. Usually I just invent tricks so that I don't copy anyones style. Oh and I when I am riding my bike and I see a pedestrian approaching I dismount and walk.
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Therapy:
The problem with the situation is all you do is talk sh*t to other people and put them down. You live and breathe a negative aurora. You seem to think that your opinions matter more than anyone elses and that you do not have to prove to anyone anything in regards to what you say.
This is really the heart of the problem.
There are some people who hate but atleast they have a background or context to hate. Jeff Desroche is a ok example. He's really really emotional and angry about everything, but atleast he is right about what he is saying: People copy him and his style. Matthias copies his links trick for trick for trick and wins competitions with it.
Atleast he has some justification for voicing his opinions and reasons. You however as far as the entire community is concerned *have none*. The reason you have none is because you have supplied absolutely nothing to anyone to back up your sh*t talking. You are too much of a coward to show people who you are. Dont fool anyone, we all know its for one reason and one reason alone: You are ashamed of yourself, your actions or your riding and you dont feel up to people knowing your real identity. If I am wrong in this all you have to do to prove me wrong is to identify yourself. Choose not to, and the above will hold true *regardless whether or not it IS true*
I want you to understand this in the full context that it means: Whether we are discussing 'riding in public' or '2 piece vs 4 piece' or 'is a whopper harder than a bunny hop' ......your opinion on it means nothing. Not a single thing. No one can take your opinion seriously because you've proven that your only reason for existing on that site is to trash talk people and start arguments while supplying absolutely no evidence whatsoever to backup your claims.
Here's a couple options that will help you:
A: Learn how to control your emotion so that you can relate and empathize to other people your opinions without all of the sh*t talking and negative backlash
B: Prove to the community that the things you talk sh*t on you have a reason for it (e.g. if you hate on a trick and you think its not that hard, why dont you post a video of you doing it?). This would then atleast provide *some* intellectual content to your sh*t-storm that you call 'posting'.
C: Go away if you cannot control yourself.
Keep in mind, I have alot of issues and alot of the time I cannot control them. I felt very passionate about alot of things and I lack the ability to pre-emptively analyze the way others will socially interpret my comments.
I deleted my account and didnt post on these forums for well over a year. It was a good decision. I understand my limitations and seek to better myself by controlling myself as much as possible and eliminating variables that cause my problems to be broadcasted and inflamed, especially *by people like you*.
As for you being 'censored' : I've had that 'awaiting moderation' item myself. But dont worry you absolutely *will* be censored once effraim can get some help on his site to add user registration or moderation to his comment engine. Yes, im serious.
Infact I already sought out some friends to help him with the project specifically because of you. Im *almost* willing to pay the bill myself as poor as I am just to keep people like you off that site. You bring nothing to the conversation other than to start irrational and over emotional 'flame wars' in which you do nothing but slam people around like a 5 year old child throwing a temper tantrum.
We've all had enough. And that says alot considering what a incredibly nice and even tempered person Effraim is. The guy is doing this all out of pocket and puts alot of his personal time into something so that *other people can enjoy it for free*. And how do YOU pay him back? By showing your support? No, by insulting every single person you come into contact with.
The guy even resorted to making a post talking about spam and telling people to cool it. Are you so blind that you did not understand he was talking about people like you!? You make the guy do more work for your selfish and flagrant actions.
Good job and hopefully good riddance.
Oh and for the record: I like showing off. I like riding in public. I like riding with my shirt off, but not for the reason you think (Wind factor isolates sweating, if you've suffered heat strokes from exaustion from riding like i have you would understand). I ride in public every single day and I progress as fast as any single rider you know. I've learned every single new trick in public. Sometimes I will work on a new trick for 20+ hours without landing it *in public*. Anything related to flatland that enables the public to see it is a good thing, no matter what you think, but no one cares what you think anyways because you've proven yourself to have the patience and maturity of a toddler.
And on the real, who does NOT feel rewarded by displaying their talent on a public level and getting positive feedback for it??? What life do you live that you are so bitter and angry at everything?? I feel really bad that something thats so simple and special that you have no place in your psychology for.
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Yeah man, the first thing I think when I see any kind of street performer is "f*cking showoff"! Geezus, who the f*ck do these people think they are singing in train stations, playing classical instruments in front of stores, chalking up amazing 3D images in chalk on sidewalks, or, the absolute worst, riding their f*cking undersized bikes with no shirt on! How dare they show the world the things they're passionate about in public places! The world would be so much better without any expressions of art, imagination, or passion! F*cking totally man...
**Pffftt... another moronic post from another anonymous moron "publicly" exposing the fact that they truly don't understand a damn thing about riding. Rant it up, Therapy... I'll be chilling out watching riders like Sean F. or Pete Brandt tear it up in their high foot traffic spots and high fiving him after them they pull a fat combo that makes people clap.**
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I still don't understand this person's grievance.
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Therapy:
The problem with the situation is all you do is talk sh*t to other people and put them down. You live and breathe a negative aurora. You seem to think that your opinions matter more than anyone elses and that you do not have to prove to anyone anything in regards to what you say.
This is really the heart of the problem.
There are some people who hate but atleast they have a background or context to hate. Jeff Desroche is a ok example. He's really really emotional and angry about everything, but atleast he is right about what he is saying: People copy him and his style. Matthias copies his links trick for trick for trick and wins competitions with it.
Atleast he has some justification for voicing his opinions and reasons. You however as far as the entire community is concerned *have none*. The reason you have none is because you have supplied absolutely nothing to anyone to back up your sh*t talking. You are too much of a coward to show people who you are. Dont fool anyone, we all know its for one reason and one reason alone: You are ashamed of yourself, your actions or your riding and you dont feel up to people knowing your real identity. If I am wrong in this all you have to do to prove me wrong is to identify yourself. Choose not to, and the above will hold true *regardless whether or not it IS true*
I want you to understand this in the full context that it means: Whether we are discussing 'riding in public' or '2 piece vs 4 piece' or 'is a whopper harder than a bunny hop' ......your opinion on it means nothing. Not a single thing. No one can take your opinion seriously because you've proven that your only reason for existing on that site is to trash talk people and start arguments while supplying absolutely no evidence whatsoever to backup your claims.
Here's a couple options that will help you:
A: Learn how to control your emotion so that you can relate and empathize to other people your opinions without all of the sh*t talking and negative backlash
B: Prove to the community that the things you talk sh*t on you have a reason for it (e.g. if you hate on a trick and you think its not that hard, why dont you post a video of you doing it?). This would then atleast provide *some* intellectual content to your sh*t-storm that you call 'posting'.
C: Go away if you cannot control yourself.
Keep in mind, I have alot of issues and alot of the time I cannot control them. I felt very passionate about alot of things and I lack the ability to pre-emptively analyze the way others will socially interpret my comments.
I deleted my account and didnt post on these forums for well over a year. It was a good decision. I understand my limitations and seek to better myself by controlling myself as much as possible and eliminating variables that cause my problems to be broadcasted and inflamed, especially *by people like you*.
As for you being 'censored' : I've had that 'awaiting moderation' item myself. But dont worry you absolutely *will* be censored once effraim can get some help on his site to add user registration or moderation to his comment engine. Yes, im serious.
Infact I already sought out some friends to help him with the project specifically because of you. Im *almost* willing to pay the bill myself as poor as I am just to keep people like you off that site. You bring nothing to the conversation other than to start irrational and over emotional 'flame wars' in which you do nothing but slam people around like a 5 year old child throwing a temper tantrum.
We've all had enough. And that says alot considering what a incredibly nice and even tempered person Effraim is. The guy is doing this all out of pocket and puts alot of his personal time into something so that *other people can enjoy it for free*. And how do YOU pay him back? By showing your support? No, by insulting every single person you come into contact with.
The guy even resorted to making a post talking about spam and telling people to cool it. Are you so blind that you did not understand he was talking about people like you!? You make the guy do more work for your selfish and flagrant actions.
Good job and hopefully good riddance.
Oh and for the record: I like showing off. I like riding in public. I like riding with my shirt off, but not for the reason you think (Wind factor isolates sweating, if you've suffered heat strokes from exaustion from riding like i have you would understand). I ride in public every single day and I progress as fast as any single rider you know. I've learned every single new trick in public. Sometimes I will work on a new trick for 20+ hours without landing it *in public*. Anything related to flatland that enables the public to see it is a good thing, no matter what you think, but no one cares what you think anyways because you've proven yourself to have the patience and maturity of a toddler.
And on the real, who does NOT feel rewarded by displaying their talent on a public level and getting positive feedback for it??? What life do you live that you are so bitter and angry at everything?? I feel really bad that something thats so simple and special that you have no place in your psychology for.
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2) Some people have an issue with my anonymity.
Don't worry about who I am. I've been on flatmatters before. And not on some sh*tass old school sunday.
I don't think anyone is particularly worried precisely because you aren't revealing who you are. If you did, maybe your points would carry more weight. Being posted in flatmatters isn't exactly a high honor. Effraim puts everything up on there he can find regardless of skill level. Just saying.