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English => Flatland Media => Online Video Battles => Topic started by: ondo on May 29, 2012, 01:08:30 PM
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Intermediate rider list:
flatlandnico
Jose Felix Sanabria
Leon Vignjević
markphilippines
Collin van Assendelft
manniedamaniac
SJBMX
Erik @ Austria
Results:
1. Leon Vignjević
2. markphilippines
3. manniedamaniac
Final:
Leon Vignjević vs markphilippines
Battle for 3rd
manniedamaniac vs Erik @ Austria
Semifinal:
Leon Vignjević vs manniedamaniac
markphilippines vs Erik @ Austria
Quarterfinals:
Jose Felix Sanabria vs Leon Vignjević
Collin van Assendelft vs manniedamaniac
flatlandnico vs markphilippines
SJBMX vs Erik @ Austria
Time limit:
quarterfinal: 50sec
semifinal: 1min 20sec
final: 1min 50sec
Judges:
flaTTech
MICHELE
ondo
Final battle:
Leon Vignjević
Leon Vignjevic - global-flat final battle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUZHOArm7dc#ws)
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markphilippines
Mark Juaniza Finale on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/45684933)
Results:
1. Leon Vignjević
2. markphilippines
3. manniedamaniac
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my vote goes to jose felix.
leon has a great flow in riding but jose did more and harder stuff.
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My vote goes to Leon
Jose - I really liked the touches he added to his stuff, barspin into pegwheelie, x-up megaspin with both feet on the pegs, foot in front of the rear tire in his timemachine, half boom rideouts.. Nice and difficult stuff.
Leon - Shows alot of very well executed and difficult tricks. Nice switch footed skills, he is showing that he is mastering some pumping and turbining skills. He also threw in some stuff like the tire grab one foot on the bar spinning steam, and the doublefooted megaspin turbine. Also had some difficult rideouts..
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Leon you are awesome!
How old are you?
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Really close battle, seriously guys, tough choice.
Jose did more different tricks with few good extra tricks here and there, but overall it looked a bit sketchy. Leon, althought didn't do as much, but with the difficulty I must say it's a tie, but Leon takes it with the flow as I see that the tricks are really dialed and clean.
Vote goes to Leon.
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My vote goes to manniedemaniac
Mannie get it on variety, he didn't really repeat any trick concepts. His riding stands out with a bit more creativity also. He had forward and backwards tricks, frontwheel and backwheel, a barflip, the pedaling with hands upside down backwards pegwheelie is cool, and rare. Only rider I can recall seeing do that is Dane Beardsley. Also liked details like how he uncrossed the bars into a switch hand bw pegwheelie directly before the rideout.
Collin had a nice halfpacker, hangfive, some switch hand steams a turbine. I just don't believe it beat out Mannie..
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Why were the judges not notified of the start of the battles? We kind of need to know.
Vote goes to Mannied. That rear wheel link was really nice, and I was really surprised he took it to backwards peg wheelie at the end because most would have just ridden out. Very nice.
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dude manny is getting so good, I remeber watching him as a begginer and he was killing it, he has a bright future in flatland.
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I would also like to know why Michele voted against Leon in this battle.
jose felix sanabria.wmv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of4tL26OlWU#) (jose)
Leon Vignjevic for online video battle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzqlhRdrMgY#ws) (Leon)
This is no contest. Leon absolutely destroyed Jose in here. I do not think Michele is fit to judge anyone if he thinks Jose's links were harder than Leons. This is f*cking absurd.
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not to throw fuel on the fire but also according to Ondo the battle between Leon and Jose was tied in difficulty.
Shame on you judges!
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vote goes to mannie the last combo is absolutely bangers.
really nice riding also from collin with his halfpacker.
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I would also like to know why Michele voted against Leon in this battle.
jose felix sanabria.wmv ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of4tL26OlWU#[/url]) (jose)
Leon Vignjevic for online video battle ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzqlhRdrMgY#ws[/url]) (Leon)
This is no contest. Leon absolutely destroyed Jose in here. I do not think Michele is fit to judge anyone if he thinks Jose's links were harder than Leons. This is f*cking absurd.
just because leon rides faster and with flow doesnt mean that his links are harder.
jose did harder tricks, maybe you can not like how he do his tricks because he rides whit less flow but that can be personal preference.
by the way doing turbine steamrollers is not so hard (i don't want to mean that leons did just that don't get me wrong) maybe you can love the aesthetic result and i can't say anything against that but don't confuse beauty with difficulty.
there are tricks in which the turbine can became almost like normal riding and other in which it add's a lot of difficulty (pedal time machine for example) but this is not the case.
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You are an asshole to accuse me of judging based on aesthetics as I'm the last peraon on earth who would do that. Leons tricks were miles ahead of joses in all aspects. You are blind to suggest otherwise and if other judges think the same way then the judging right from the start is skewed and misguided. I can go into much greater detail but you should be embarrassed to even think of suggesting I would judge based on that phoney category of "style".
I would like to see a breakdown an explanation of WHY leon didn't get your vote including comparisons of tricks and links. I think you are judging based on the fact you don't like turbines is far more likely than me ever doing that. What a joke.
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Please take this talk to private messages, TJ. Or be more polite, please.
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Please take this talk to private messages, TJ. Or be more polite, please.
I want an explanation from michele as to why he voted for Jose when it is abundantly clear to anyone who has been riding flatland more than a year or two that Leon won that battle no-contest. He's either not watching the videos at all or he's simply a terrible judge. You put in him charge and you are avoiding responsibility. The adult thing to do would be to ask him to explain himself and why he believes Jose's tricks were more difficult, more original, and had more variety than Leon. If he cannot do that he should excuse himself from being a judge effective immediately because he is unfit for the position.
I am being extremely polite given the circumstances and what Michele is accusing me of; judging based on style, me of all people. The battle was a no brainer, so what happens when it gets to the semi-finals and finals and Michele has no idea what he's talking about? Will you be okay with someone getting screwed? What if it was you?
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Here I'll do a breakdown of the battle itself trick by trick so you and Michele can tell me exactly where the difficulty/originality/variety was.
Jose:
Barspin to time machine for maybe three rotations, but it looks more like two and a half.
Steamroller to hiker brought down the same way, tire tap the ground to steamroller, scuff and pivot out.
Hang 5 to three pinkie squeaks to very brief mccircle, pivot out.
Single turbined x up megaspin to time machine.
Leon:
Hang 5 boomerang to switch handed steamroller, turbine once, on handed steamroller holding the tire with his foot under the grip, two turbined scuffed steamroller to mccircle turbine half whiplash out.
Three no scuff turbined megaspins to double footed pump to time machine for three rotations.
Switch footed hang 5 with "free" foot holding the frame in place on the pedal, switch footed mccircle to forwards switch footed whiplash pumped to speed, semi-boomerang hop to regular mccircle turbine out.
What on gods green earth in Jose's run even comes close to what Leon did? What trick that's in that video touches any of the three links that Leon did. If Michele can't answer that, he shouldn't be a judge.
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Also for future battles can the judges actually explain why one rider's riding is more difficult than the others. I feel like the judges for the expert class can owe me at least that, from what I understand I got beat on variety but I would like to know what links were more difficult so that the judging seems proper.
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You are an asshole to accuse me of judging based on aesthetics as I'm the last peraon on earth who would do that. Leons tricks were miles ahead of joses in all aspects. You are blind to suggest otherwise and if other judges think the same way then the judging right from the start is skewed and misguided. I can go into much greater detail but you should be embarrassed to even think of suggesting I would judge based on that phoney category of "style".
I would like to see a breakdown an explanation of WHY leon didn't get your vote including comparisons of tricks and links. I think you are judging based on the fact you don't like turbines is far more likely than me ever doing that. What a joke.
since you act like if you are a semi-god you can go f*ck yourself and i'm not going to say anything more than what i have already written.
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To Be Honest...being that you two are the Top Master Class riders and Judges, the younger peeps are watching you guys i'd like you guys to put this sh*t aside. Take a step back remember THIS ISNT ABOUT YOU its about the competitors in this class.
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Leon you are awesome!
How old are you?
thanks
I'm 18 now :)
P.S. for 2flat2furious
thanks man :)
I win, so I don't care for the result of voting... I go to next round so, I'll do my best to show you better and harder tricks ... so, thanks all for voting for me :D
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You are an asshole to accuse me of judging based on aesthetics as I'm the last peraon on earth who would do that. Leons tricks were miles ahead of joses in all aspects. You are blind to suggest otherwise and if other judges think the same way then the judging right from the start is skewed and misguided. I can go into much greater detail but you should be embarrassed to even think of suggesting I would judge based on that phoney category of "style".
I would like to see a breakdown an explanation of WHY leon didn't get your vote including comparisons of tricks and links. I think you are judging based on the fact you don't like turbines is far more likely than me ever doing that. What a joke.
since you act like if you are a semi-god you can go f*ck yourself and i'm not going to say anything more than what i have already written.
I'm not acting like a demi-god. I'm asking you to provide a reasonable explanation for why your judging is completely f*cked but okay if you are totally incapable of doing that then I guess that settles it. Ondo should remove you immediately and select someone who is actually capable of judging people who have worked very hard to produce videos for your battle.
This is about the competitors Archon, which is why I'm saying something about Michele's judgement. He's not fit to judge and I don't think it's fair that a competitor MIGHT be screwed over because of Michele's lack of ability to do his job.
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Minus the drama, I would state that it appears Leon clear contested Jose in *all* Categories, so preference of style is a moot agenda and should not even be a part of the discussion.
There are two possible scenario's : A personal or general preference that forced him to misjudge, or he is unfit to judge.
The third scenario is that he got very drunk and his cat typed all that. :beer: :beer: :beer:
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My vote goes to manniedamaniac. That was an awesome backwheel combo..
Really good riding from both of you. Collin did a nice halfpacker, props on that.
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Quarterfinal battle:
flatlandnico
Global-Flat Online Battle Qualification (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeRAMkP-bP4#)
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markphilippines
Untitled on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/40565480)
Collin van Assendelft vs manniedamaniac (0:3)
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my vote goes to mark because he did more complex links and did more different tricks.
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O wow! didnt even no i had my battle! Ive got some nice tricks ive been working on for next round! thanks for all the dope comments guys!
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I just want to make a comment here about judging. I agree w/ the point TJ is trying to make with his run breakdown post. EVERY judge NEEDS to be doing this even if they do not type it all out. I use a piece of paper for EVERY battle in all classes and write down the ENTIRE combos for each run. This should include ALL the tricks that happened, including every position the rider was in, every switch that happened, every turbine, every full rotation, things that stood out, early cuts in video etc. etc. some of the things I have included in my description of the run so far are actually smaller then some of the stuff I didn't mention in my post, I was doing this to make a point that nothing should be dismissed. The run is EVERYTHING that happened in the time given for the video. There is a pause button, stop the video and write notes for the entire link. I also watch every run at least five times, no matter what. Even if it looks obvious after the first viewing.
From here it is going to take alot of flatland expertise to evaluate the list you made and compare the two runs, including difficulty of all positions, switches, rotations, turbines, tricks and concepts that were repeated, originality etc. etc. Not always easy and it is subjective...
Yes, the online battles are really for fun, and battle format is never really the best way to determine a placing in a contest. But I agree with TJ that the judging should be taken very seriously. Riders do put alot of effort into their video runs...
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My vote goes to markphillippines
Although I assure you I did a complete breakdown of the runs on paper, I am not going to write them all down here.
although I liked that flatlandnico had a backwheel trick, I don't think that he had more variety then mark. Variety doesn't just mean front or backwheel. The fact that mark had a nice crackpacker (doublefooted trick) and the way he stepped into it and out of it shows variety, and difficulty. He also had some very nice switch foot stuff that ups the variety and difficulty.
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Philippine riders are on fire!!!
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Vote goes to Mark because Nico touched the ground at 0:07. I don't even care what he did after that.
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Quarterfinal battle:
SJBMX
Global Flat Battle Intermediate Round 6 Jeroen Dekker (SJ BMX Flatland) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E54fhziAP_w#ws)
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Erik @ Austria
GF Round 6 Qualification on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/41863577)
flatlandnico vs markphilippines (0:2)
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My vote is for Erik@Austria
Great riding by both, but Erik has a more difficult run. He has switchfoot steams on both primary and non primary peg foot, more difficult ride ins and outs. A barflip. Perfectly pumping skills on the front and and backwheel. His front wheel combo was one real long combo with spinning crackpacker and all the switch foot stuff. His Backwheel combo had the double footed spin with full barspin and a foot in front of the rear tire timemachine.
SJBMX showed some originality with the steam ride in were he sithch hand during ride in and imediately grabbed the tire instead of the seat first. Nice Hitch stuff, rebate to hangfive, lungspin, 180 bunnyhop switch hand steam w/ one kick turbine.
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my vote is for Erik @ Austria his first combo is hard and really well executed.
nice whindshield whiper to hang5 from sj.
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Nice run erik! You win in my opinion!
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SJBMX had variety, but Erik - difficulty. Really good tricks from both of you. Erik takes this battle with his nice front wheel combo!
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Semifinal battle:
Leon Vignjević vs manniedamaniac
You have 4 days to post your videos!
Run limit is 1min 20sec!
SJBMX vs Erik @ Austria (0:3)
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is my video due tomarrow? if so wat time should it be in by? thanks!
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Semifinal battle:
Leon Vignjević
Leon Vignjević - round2 for global-flat video battle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1EGUB7NaWI#ws)
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manniedamaniac
Globalflat Round 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i03AaPTPBc#ws)
Judges post to vote!
Others can vote on the poll!
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Nice stuff Leon! loven those combos! i gotta step up my game on foward tricks! haha
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really nice battle.
both have increased the difficulty of the vid from the previous round.
my vote is for manniedamaniac.
because: he changed more his video from the previous one.
i think he has more variety in his riding and is also more original.
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he changed more his video from the previous one.
oh i always was thinking about that, if it does matter to the judges
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Nice stuff Leon! loven those combos! i gotta step up my game on foward tricks! haha
thanks...you should try :)
admit, you had better run with harder tricks
I have some new trick, and I didn't film it, I don't know why
I just want to film almost same combos but much harder... never mind
good luck :)
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Great riding by both. Very different styles.
mannie's run does have a bunch of different stuff then the last video. I really like the difficult backwards manual, cab 360, upside down peg wheelie pedaling with hands (done further in this battle), braked smith and walkover.
Leon's run does have some differences then the last run, and the concepts of turbining and pumping he is pushing in his riding is very difficult to master, and they can not be dismissed just because they are becoming very commonly seen in peoples riding. He had multiple no kick switch hand steams, multiple no kick switch foot steam stuff with both hands on the grips, tight fast mc circles, side saddle switch foot hangfive, grabbing the seat mid mc circle and swithcing to a foward steam is not as easy as it may seem. He also going double foot to switch foot on the turbines in his back wheel link requiring very precise timing on the switches. His links were also longer. (None of the above was listed in order of the combos)
Mannie's run does look a bit more original, because his tricks are not as commonly done. But the difficulty and concepts Leon is pushing in his riding, along with longer combos I believe to be more difficult. My vote is for Leon. But make no mistakes, Mannie's the Man! (Pun intended)
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Good battle, since both riders have made even better videos with more variety..
I like mannies decade tricks and the backwheel combo was great!
Leon showed some really smooth both wheel riding, lots of turbines and technical switches. Overall the difficulty is way higher.
My vote goes to Leon.
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Semifinal battle:
markphilippines vs Erik @ Austria
You have 4 days to post your videos!
Run limit is 1min 20sec!
Leon Vignjević vs manniedamaniac (2:1)
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Great riding by both!
Leon how old are you? ^^
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I tried my best! haha i had fun and learned alot of new stuff! Next year ill be trying for expert! And p.s. will there be a battle for third?!
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Great riding by both!
Leon how old are you? ^^
I'm 18 :)
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Semifinal battle:
markphilippines
Mark Juaniza on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/44140280)
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Erik @ Austria
Untitled on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/44201832)
Leon Vignjević vs manniedamaniac (2:1)
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This is a really hard battle to judge. Thanks for the videos, good runs, only don't like that both of you repeated your tricks a bit..
I watched both videos a lot of times, really hard decision, Mark shows a lot of variety, but some sketchy moves and the half whip ride out wasn't there because the ending is cut off and I didn't understand if you land it or not.
Erik shows really good bike control and good difficulty with the inside peg steam barflip. -1 on the last ride out.
My vote goes to Mark. Just for the variety over steamroller variations.
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Tough battle. And as ondo, I too was leaning towards Mark because of variety.. But after watching these vids many times my vote is for Erik @ Austria.
I also question whether or not mark pulled that 1/2 whopper out, based on the location of the pedals and momentum of the whip and it looks like the bike is tipping as it fades to black, I'm guessing it wasn't pulled. Being this is a video contest, everyone needs to show full ride outs. It may have been just an edit mistake, but as a judge I don't know if that was pulled. Although I don't like Erik's ending ride out either, at least I know he pulled it.
Erik also had that foot tucked under the BB one hand steam spin for about 2 full rotations. Some difficult inside steam barflip stuff, some nice controlled pumping and turbines, carved whiplash, inside (hands on grips) steam jumped to an opposite whiplash type thing.
Nice riding guys!
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way to go mark!!!!!
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Good to see this.
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not to be a dick...but why run your seat slammed and do primarily front wheel tricks..you look like your practically breaking your back holding simple positions in the sake of coolness *shrug*
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not to be a dick...but why run your seat slammed and do primarily front wheel tricks..you look like your practically breaking your back holding simple positions in the sake of coolness *shrug*
we cant blame him if he loves Alex Jumelin and Kotaro Arai.. i know he knows what his doing on that set-up.. i think we should admire him that he can do those things on that slammed seat.. as they say flatland is always on "personal preference" IMO :)
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very hard to decide but my vote is for markphilippines.
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not to be a dick...but why run your seat slammed and do primarily front wheel tricks..you look like your practically breaking your back holding simple positions in the sake of coolness *shrug*
we cant blame him if he loves Alex Jumelin and Kotaro Arai.. i know he knows what his doing on that set-up.. i think we should admire him that he can do those things on that slammed seat.. as they say flatland is always on "personal preference" IMO :)
i'll take that ??? :)
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Battle for the 3rd:
manniedamaniac
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Erik @ Austria
You have 6 days to post your videos! Run limit is 1min 20sec!
markphilippines vs Erik @ Austria (2:1)
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nice! gotta up my game! Erik is good!
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yeah mark!!!! Finals!!!! you gotta ride hard for this.. :) good luck bro
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what happened here, stop?
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Erik got injured or something from what i no of.
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Erik got injured and had some extra time to recover. He still has 3 more days from this point.
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Hey! I wont be able to send in a new video! I am sorry for the delay!
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Final battle:
Leon Vignjević
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markphilippines
You have 7 days to send in your videos!
Run limit is 1min 50sec!
manniedamaniac wins Erik @ Austria (UNCONTESTED)
his run:
Global Flat Battle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GakqyfN4KI#ws)
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Final battle:
Leon Vignjević
Leon Vignjevic - global-flat final battle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUZHOArm7dc#ws)
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markphilippines
Mark Juaniza Finale on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/45684933)
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Really good battle for the finals, have to still think about it before I vote..
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I really liked Markphillipines last combo, and a few other things he threw in there. Made the choice tougher, especially that last combo. But after loosing count at how many times I have watched these and taking notice of everything. I believe Leon had more variety with back and front wheel (one combo with both front and back), Leon also had many nice touches to his run like the jump from the pedals ride in to hangfive then rebate back to hangfive then whiplash jumped directly to pedals. The cab peg wheelie ride in thing, and a bunch of other stuff. He also had some great turbine and pumping skills.
Mark packed a lot into his run, and that last combo stands up to the difficulty of Leon's stuff for sure, but the rest of Mark's run isn't quite up to the level of difficulty that Leon was throwing down.
In the end, I'm giving the win on this one to Leon Vignjevic.
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my vote is for Leon Vignjević,
i think he did more complex links specially the first one and the front and backwheel combo.
he also dropped his bike on the floor on the rideouts way less.
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It wasn't intended to wait for other judges to vote before I would, I just forgat, sorry ! Anyway.. My vote goes to Leon Vignjevic ! This was a really good battle, good variety from Mark and nice difficult links from Leon, so that was the edge in this battle..
Thanks guys for this awesome final battle!
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So, thanks to all the riders on the intermediate class ! There were a lot of great riding videos and I hope you had fun filming those. And the progression, that is just awesome!
I hope you will compete next year too, battling your way to the top in intermediate or steping up to the experts! Good luck and keep riding hard!
Congrats to Leon, Mark and Mannie for reaching the TOP 3 !
Results:
1. Leon Vignjević
2. markphilippines
3. manniedamaniac
Leon will receive a WORLD IS FLAT T-shirt in his prize. See you next year and there will be much more prizes than in the last years!
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Wow...it was great battle, thank to everyone, I'm so motivated now :)
Next year I'm in expert for sure, trying to get good results again...again thanks and see ya next year
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