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Title: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: byke on January 01, 2012, 09:08:55 PM
Just curious to hear your views?
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: top_rider on January 01, 2012, 09:48:35 PM
well I've been riding 2 pc bars since I first started bmx, and switched to 8-piece for awhile but then back to 2 pc.
More leverage, Longer life (less bents and cracks), and I like to ride sweeps
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: SNOOP on January 01, 2012, 09:56:42 PM
Pricing
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: 2flat2furious on January 01, 2012, 09:59:43 PM
after snapping off the griptube of my chase bars, honestly just the fact that two piece bars will give a little before they try to impale me.
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: antdog on January 01, 2012, 10:37:05 PM
I like the feel of 4 piece myself. using older GT bars right now
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: MICHELE on January 01, 2012, 11:39:32 PM
the main advantage is that if you don't ride them you cant be cool. ::) .


i don't know if they have an advantage or not at least they are the same a flatlandbars it depends on preference but for me they are a bit more friendly on the wrists and give  to the bike a better overall feeling for hoppin tricks and nose manny.



as for strength i don't know if they are really stronger because a couple of days ago i snapped my 8 months old SeM intrikat bar were at the point were the grip is connected to the ------- middle of the bar.
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: byke on January 01, 2012, 11:49:05 PM
It's interesting that early on in this thread, there have been comments regarding geometry (in regards to hand placement) as it would appear many of the new 2pc aimed at flatland look to offer it in zero/minimal to appease past flat trends. Yet some have already mentioned different values.

In regards to strength, this has to come down to design and quality (regardless if it's a 2pc or 25pc bar)

Anyone have any comments regarding ergonomics?
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: thestraw on January 02, 2012, 12:14:52 AM
every pair of 4 piece i ever owned cracked where the clamp tube is welded to the rest of the bars
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: cj on January 02, 2012, 12:18:13 AM
the main advantage is that if you don't ride them you cant be cool. ::) .


i don't know if they have an advantage or not at least they are the same a flatlandbars it depends on preference but for me they are a bit more friendly on the wrists and give  to the bike a better overall feeling for hoppin tricks and nose manny.



as for strength i don't know if they are really stronger because a couple of days ago i snapped my 8 months old SeM intrikat bar were at the point were the grip is connected to the ------- middle of the bar.

That sucks! This is the first time I've heard of a pair failing. I'm curious what happened.

Let me know if I can assist you with the warranty process.
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: johnu773 on January 02, 2012, 12:57:30 AM
the main advantage is that if you don't ride them you cant be cool. ::) .


i don't know if they have an advantage or not at least they are the same a flatlandbars it depends on preference but for me they are a bit more friendly on the wrists and give  to the bike a better overall feeling for hoppin tricks and nose manny.



as for strength i don't know if they are really stronger because a couple of days ago i snapped my 8 months old SeM intrikat bar were at the point were the grip is connected to the ------- middle of the bar.

That sucks! This is the first time I've heard of a pair failing. I'm curious what happened.

Let me know if I can assist you with the warranty process.

Chad, mine came pre twisted from the factory (crossbar was shifted, touching the front of the left tube and the rear of the right)

as for 2 vs. 4, i like the feel of 4 piece bars overall.  it's weird because when haro kneesavers came out i rode my gt moosebars better, but finally switched and pretty much never looked back.  i've tried a few newer 2 piece bars but just dont like the big burley feel. keep in mind though, i'm older with an older style of riding so i still throw my leg over the crossbar for tricks like funky chickens and such so a high crossbar doesn't fit my particular style much.  i do like the deep escobar/suelo style 2 (4) piece bars though.
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: ckcheong on January 02, 2012, 03:30:33 AM
the main advantage is that if you don't ride them you cant be cool. ::) .


i don't know if they have an advantage or not at least they are the same a flatlandbars it depends on preference but for me they are a bit more friendly on the wrists and give  to the bike a better overall feeling for hoppin tricks and nose manny.



as for strength i don't know if they are really stronger because a couple of days ago i snapped my 8 months old SeM intrikat bar were at the point were the grip is connected to the ------- middle of the bar.

That sucks! This is the first time I've heard of a pair failing. I'm curious what happened.

Let me know if I can assist you with the warranty process.

to be honest, i have total confident on S&M products
but if one i day, that snapping things happen to me, what do i need to claim the warranty?
do i need to fill in the warranty card come with the products?
I think i throw those things away
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: AlanYoungflat on January 02, 2012, 03:56:21 AM
The Real Deal on 2 piece bars


There are more advantages to 2 piece bars than 4 or multiple piece bars. But here are some misconceptions that need to be cleared up.


*Less welds means a stronger bar.
  (welds are the weakest point of most products)
The process of welding two pieces of metal together is all about penetration of the metals and the contact filament joining them. If a part of bar breaks fairly quickly then the welder did not "melt" the pieces together at a high enough temperature and didn't get far enough through the material.


* They do not give more leverage
  (leverage is based on length, like how you loosen a rusty bolt by a long breaker bar.)
If you want to gain more "eaze" or better control of your bike then get wider and taller handlebars. The height allows for easier torque on the front wheel tricks, while the width gives stability.


*stem clearance
  (4 or more piece bars allow for a tighter "lower box" of handlebars)
The lower box is the bottom of the handlebar that the stem clamps on to. Having a multi piece bar allows for direct lines to the stem so your knees dont hit the bottom of the bars as much. As with a 2 piece bar they need to have a bend at the bottom for the up-rise. This widens the base, but also makes it strong than  4+ piece since there is no weld)


*comfort
(No set handlebar is more comfortable than another. Look carefully at the Back-sweep and Up-sweep of the bar as closely as you do with the TT and CS of a frame. More Back-sweep will allow your wrists to take the abuse better and is also a more natural angle for holding onto the bar. Up-sweep is not as much effective in comfort, but most bars have 1-5 degrees of up-sweep which depends on the back-sweep of the bar.


This is just a few of the major components that should be taken into consideration in looking at handlebars.
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: ross636 on January 02, 2012, 06:54:11 AM
well with me i was dealing with bad tennis elbow. and was riding graveyard ti bars zero up and 2deg back for over 10 years. not sure if because i switch bars but tried three pair before picking one, now i am riding 10deg back and 5deg up. 7.5 rise. and feel great! i even put in more hours with a lot more fun.  (make sure your bars are at least full 4130, anything thats not bend like foil! trust me on this)  ;D           
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: mare on January 02, 2012, 09:21:18 AM
-price
-more sweep
-strength
-availability

Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: DaveDeBuono on January 02, 2012, 02:42:42 PM
i'll admit it, i dig the look right now. i dont care for the higher crossbar but i like no sharp corners. i dont imagine ever wanting full sweep street bars. i don't break enough handlebars to consider strength. i think bars are allll about looks. for everyone no matter what they quote this and say  ;D :beer:
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: mare on January 02, 2012, 02:55:23 PM
yes dave the look could be the main factor for some, but believe me if u would crack 6,7 bars in 2 years. 2 of them snaped in the midle of link, hope not during some hang 5 variations. strenght would be the main factor when buying new bars :beer:
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: tod miller on January 02, 2012, 03:33:27 PM
It's just not true that 2 piece bars are stronger than other bars(as Byke said).  The quality of the product is what makes a bar stronger.  Welds, gauge of tubing, wall thickness...material is what matters.  Hoffman Love Handles will out last most two piece bars of today.  Almost guaranteed.  Sean Burns(burly street rider who does HUGE drops off roofs, etc.) rides old Hoffman four piece bars. 


I'll agree though, two piece bars do just look cooler.   :P
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: JUGGARNAUT on January 02, 2012, 04:35:11 PM
It's just not true that 2 piece bars are stronger than other bars(as Byke said).  The quality of the product is what makes a bar stronger.  Welds, gauge of tubing, wall thickness...material is what matters.  Hoffman Love Handles will out last most two piece bars of today.  Almost guaranteed.  Sean Burns(burly street rider who does HUGE drops off roofs, etc.) rides old Hoffman four piece bars. 


I'll agree though, two piece bars do just look cooler.   :P
I agree . They not only look cooler, they look cleaner.
 Stock General bars of the 80's were 2 pc, snapped 2 pair quick as hell, bought the OG kneesavers and never looked back until a couple of years ago, 2 pc have come along way as far as Quality was concerned, the street riders drops and seeing that they could take that let me know which bars to trust.
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: tod miller on January 02, 2012, 05:08:47 PM
I did the same to my General two piece bars, mid boomerang and it just snapped in two, mid boomerang!  Yeah, quality is much better these days!
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: mare on January 02, 2012, 06:00:51 PM
ok. so let put it that way. if u take same material, same wall thickness, same gauge of tubing, equal quality of welds,.... no one can convince me 2pc bar is not stronger than 4,6, or maybe 8 pc. bar. my are holding up much better than any multi piece bar i had before
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: JUGGARNAUT on January 02, 2012, 06:08:25 PM
I did the same to my General two piece bars, mid boomerang and it just snapped in two, mid boomerang!  Yeah, quality is much better these days!
That is EXACTlY when mine went, both times. Chest to crossbar!
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: cj on January 02, 2012, 06:14:05 PM

Chad, mine came pre twisted from the factory (crossbar was shifted, touching the front of the left tube and the rear of the right)


Bummer, must have slipped by Quality Control, but we can take care of that. Sorry for the inconvenience.

PM sent.
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: byke on January 02, 2012, 06:24:53 PM
ok. so let put it that way. if u take same material, same wall thickness, same gauge of tubing, equal quality of welds,.... no one can convince me 2pc bar is not stronger than 4,6, or maybe 8 pc. bar. my are holding up much better than any multi piece bar i had before

I am afraid I disagree with you on this one.
While welds are often attributed to being a wek part of design.
Bends also play avery large role.

The main difference in what we are seeing in todays 2pc bars compared with yesteryears multi piece bars is the use of better butted tubing.

In the past 4pc bars (for example) used a thicker clamp tube than the rest of the bar (to stop stem crushing) but the offset in thickness was often more so apparent as it would be welded to another tube of usually thinner tubing which caused the stress to not dissipate properly which in turn could cause a crack to appear near the weld.
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: byke on January 02, 2012, 06:26:27 PM
I believe 2pc bars have the advantage of the following points.

Simplicity in design :
When a part has less tubes, its easier to produce a product that is straighter and aligned better.

Price :
Again a key factor



I believe 2pc bars have the disadvantage of the following points.


Bends :
Again, this is as crucial as welding.
A poorly bent tube is on par with a poorly made weld.

Straight tubes are stronger :
Fact.

Ergonomics :
This is purely up to the rider and is as individual as geometry preference.


The point on this thread wasn't to accuse one design to be better than the other as the variables differ greatly between riders. But it was to see if trends in products could help engage in questionable claims in similar ways we have seen in the frame market over the years.
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: mare on January 02, 2012, 06:32:26 PM
ok byke i respect your reply :beer:  but can u please answer me wich bar would be stronger 2 or multi pcs. bar with same material, welds,.....
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: byke on January 02, 2012, 06:33:51 PM
straight piece.
(as in no bends) IMHO
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: JUGGARNAUT on January 02, 2012, 06:34:59 PM
PLUS, welds are not the weak point, the weld tension on the metal next to the weld is the weak point, less joints = more strength. Thats a Fact.
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: mare on January 02, 2012, 06:37:00 PM
im litle bit confused now. what about less joints more strenth thing?
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: JUGGARNAUT on January 02, 2012, 06:37:32 PM
and depending on the way they're bent.
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: JUGGARNAUT on January 02, 2012, 06:40:08 PM
im litle bit confused now. what about less joints more strenth thing?
as in welded joints,  A welded joint is more prone to cracking via weld tension VS a roll bend.
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: byke on January 02, 2012, 06:44:46 PM
I think what it comes down to is this.
regardless what type of bar you buy, a good bar is that of one which has been designed properly (regardless if its 2pc, 6pc etc).

And unfortunately, we often associate bad design with particular shapes based in time where design standards are not at the same level as they are today with never trends.

So if we had a role reversal and had lived through years of badly designed 2pc bars in the past where non butted tubing had been used, and bends that were too tight for the wall thickness chosen ...... and better designed non 2pc bars were the new trend and had better design to them in terms of tubing thickness etc .... we could be in the same boat where as now but claiming 6pc bars are better.

However what does separate 2pc from other bars is its shape.
Now if we could see a strong 1pc (multi butted monocoque) bar in the future .... that would be interesting.
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: cj on January 02, 2012, 06:44:54 PM
to be honest, i have total confident on S&M products
but if one i day, that snapping things happen to me, what do i need to claim the warranty?
do i need to fill in the warranty card come with the products?
I think i throw those things away

Glad to hear that. I also have total confidence in S&M products. There's thousands of bars that leave the building and go through Quality Control but I guess once in a great while a defective pair slips through. We stand behind our products though and the warranty program is top-notch. The warranty card helps make the process easier but if you threw it out, you're not screwed. If you have an issue, send me a pm.

Personally I've had no problem with any of the production bars, but I did tweak a prototype pair when I was off balance in a combo and my bike shot-off into the concrete wall. The prototypes weren't heat-treated, but since then we've heat-treated every pair and I've had no more issues. S&M's 4Q heat treatment makes a big difference when it comes to strength, not many companies offer this extra step.
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: mare on January 02, 2012, 06:49:09 PM
I think what it comes down to is this.
regardless what type of bar you buy, a good bar is that of one which has been designed properly (regardless if its 2pc, 6pc etc).

And unfortunately, we often associate bad design with particular shapes based in time where design standards are not at the same level as they are today with never trends.

So if we had a role reversal and had lived through years of badly designed 2pc bars in the past where non butted tubing had been used, and bends that were too tight for the wall thickness chosen ...... and better designed non 2pc bars were the new trend and had better design to them in terms of tubing thickness etc .... we could be in the same boat where as now but claiming 6pc bars are better.

However what does separate 2pc from other bars is its shape.
Now if we could see a strong 1pc (multi butted monocoque) bar in the future .... that would be interesting.

i think u r right :beer:
i judged only from the exeperiences ive had in the past so thats why i thought 2pc bars are stronger
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: JUGGARNAUT on January 02, 2012, 06:54:58 PM
weld tension crack.
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: efxman on January 02, 2012, 06:56:44 PM
Sweep and comfort play no part you can make either with sweep or no sweep to achieve comfort, it comes down to preference, strength and weight.  I prefer two piece.
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: byke on January 02, 2012, 06:59:55 PM
Here is another interesting question ......

Is this a 2pc bar (yes or no)
(http://www.bizhouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Dialyser-Bar-ad1.jpg)
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: JUGGARNAUT on January 02, 2012, 07:11:40 PM
No and it begs to crack at the crossbar.
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: byke on January 02, 2012, 08:01:34 PM
weld tension crack.

I can almost bet that the tubes used were different thickness' combined with other design choices is what helped cause that crack.
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: JUGGARNAUT on January 02, 2012, 08:43:28 PM
You're probably right, but it is weld tension that caused this to crack right next to the weld because of a HOT weld.
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: stuntnuts on January 03, 2012, 01:01:14 AM
I can almost bet that the tubes used were different thickness' combined with other design choices is what helped cause that crack.

I can't think of a single frame on the market that uses the same size wall thicknesses on all the tubes at that particular intersection. Most likely that frame cracked due to the welding of the seat stays on top of the Heat Affected Zone of the primary top tube/seat tube weld.

As far as the advantages of 2 piece bars for me is ergonomics. Nothing more soothing for old wrists and elbows than bars with a good amount of backsweep.
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: tod miller on January 03, 2012, 03:20:08 AM
The one thing that I really like about 2 piece bars, is that it seems they are offered with wider choices.  I hate  that most multi-piece designs are narrow.  I want some 28 inch wide, multi-piece bars! I need a low cross-bar because my jacked up knees won't allow me to bend all the way.  Can't find that in two-piece bars. It seems like the custom route may be my only option.
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: D on January 04, 2012, 11:28:52 PM
I think 2 pc bars generally have a bit better strength to weight ratio.  But it's not like people here are going to be sailing down 10 sets to flat.  On the other hand, 4 pc bars can be made a lot narrower at the clamp part (kneesaver) and the top tube can be lowered down to bar hop able levels.  Either one will work just fine depending on your preferences and what tricks you want to do. 

But it all comes down to style and what people decide looks "right" for that time period.  I think it's hilarious that riding tries to act like we are immune to trends, but anyone who has been around long enough to see things come and go and come back again will tell you this sport is very, very, style conscious.     

I've seen it with pegs, brake preferences (brakeless, one brake, dual brakes), bike weights, bar widths, tire widths, bar styles, bike colors, seat height, spoke count, gear ratios, zero offset setups, headtube angles, top tube lengths, even things like wearing shorts, track pants, tight pants, JNCOS, etc.   It all depends on what tricks are considered cool for the time period and what's being made that's popular.  Some of those things are evolution and better quality stuff (36 spoke wheels were terrible in the 80's, but now they work just fine) but others weren't.         
 
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: out~riding on January 04, 2012, 11:35:42 PM
The disadvantage of 2-piece bars is that there is no uniqueness... they all look the same.


Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: johnu773 on January 05, 2012, 12:15:38 AM
The disadvantage of 2-piece bars is that there is no uniqueness... they all look the same.




that;'s kinda how i feel about straight tubed frames too.  i don't care for super bent and wacky tubing but the straight tube bike bores me.
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: SurfonFlatland on January 05, 2012, 12:53:38 AM
I've always felt that two piece bars had more flex and therefore were more comfortable than ultra stiff handlebars.
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: crabbypaddy on January 05, 2012, 03:22:47 AM
a thing i like about flatland bars is the kneesavers and kickflips. why has no one mentioned kickflips?!!
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Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: SurfonFlatland on January 05, 2012, 08:46:45 PM
 
a thing i like about flatland bars is the kneesavers and kickflips. why has no one mentioned kickflips?!!



I can do halfpacker kickflips and have yet to understand how the number of tubes handlebars are constructed from would have any influence on kickflips.
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: crabbypaddy on January 05, 2012, 10:31:05 PM
flatland bars tend to be narrower than 2pc bars, so less chance the handlebars catch u in the ass when you kickflip, right?
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: Ultraman Zoffy on January 06, 2012, 12:11:18 AM
I'd say advantage wise, they're generally cheaper, lighter, and prone to less drama then 4+ piece bars. A better question probably would've been "Did we ever need more then 2 pieces on our bars in BMX to begin with?" since it seems like all the qualities we actually need out of bars could be achieved through proper design and manufacturing within 2 pieces?
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: ross636 on January 06, 2012, 09:26:51 PM
i still love the look of my graveyard bars! but at this point in my riding. i think feel is more important to me. having more flex and the sweep have made riding more fun. and less like a work out. also i like the smooth bends of my 2pc.     
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: byke on January 06, 2012, 09:53:37 PM
Given that some of the advantages of 2pc is flex and strength.
Who is going to make a frame with similar features.

http://bmxmuseum.com/image/dsci0063_lg.jpg (http://bmxmuseum.com/image/dsci0063_lg.jpg)
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: ross636 on January 06, 2012, 10:03:48 PM
Given that some of the advantages of 2pc is flex and strength.
Who is going to make a frame with similar features.

[url]http://bmxmuseum.com/image/dsci0063_lg.jpg[/url] ([url]http://bmxmuseum.com/image/dsci0063_lg.jpg[/url])
haha! i wanted this bike so bad when i was a kid. ok kinda still do lol
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: SurfonFlatland on January 06, 2012, 10:28:21 PM
flatland bars tend to be narrower than 2pc bars, so less chance the handlebars catch u in the ass when you kickflip, right?

No.  There are many flatland riders who run their "flatland bars" as wide as 27 inches.  The width of a handlebar will not affect the ease of learning, dialing, and landing kickflips.
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: K.Wong on January 07, 2012, 05:48:47 AM
Given that some of the advantages of 2pc is flex and strength.
Who is going to make a frame with similar features.

i think khe's "paris 1" frame qualifies lol! following that is the st. martins with their flexy rear triangle...
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: B-random Fantom on January 07, 2012, 06:59:22 AM
flatland bars tend to be narrower than 2pc bars, so less chance the handlebars catch u in the ass when you kickflip, right?

No.  There are many flatland riders who run their "flatland bars" as wide as 27 inches.  The width of a handlebar will not affect the ease of learning, dialing, and landing kickflips.

I disagree. How can you say that clearance doesn't matter for kick-flip tricks? Maybe not for some of them like a half-hicker kick-flip, but for wheelchair kickflips it does matter immensely since from that position you are forced to be much closer to your bars during the flipping.
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: SurfonFlatland on January 07, 2012, 07:41:21 AM
flatland bars tend to be narrower than 2pc bars, so less chance the handlebars catch u in the ass when you kickflip, right?

No.  There are many flatland riders who run their "flatland bars" as wide as 27 inches.  The width of a handlebar will not affect the ease of learning, dialing, and landing kickflips.

I disagree. How can you say that clearance doesn't matter for kick-flip tricks? Maybe not for some of them like a half-hicker kick-flip, but for wheelchair kickflips it does matter immensely since from that position you are forced to be much closer to your bars during the flipping.

True, but how would a 2pc, 4pc, 8pc, etc.pc handlebar affect a kickflip?  I can understand the width argument for wheelchair kickflips, but not when it comes to how many tubes the handlebar is made from.
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: Lam47 on January 07, 2012, 01:48:01 PM
I feel the same way about two piece bars as I do straight tube frames. They just look kinda dull.
All street bikes look almost identical these days. A multi piece bar and an interesting frame just look like flatland to me. It's purely aesthetic of course, but then what's wrong with that?
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: B-random Fantom on January 07, 2012, 05:49:10 PM
flatland bars tend to be narrower than 2pc bars, so less chance the handlebars catch u in the ass when you kickflip, right?

No.  There are many flatland riders who run their "flatland bars" as wide as 27 inches.  The width of a handlebar will not affect the ease of learning, dialing, and landing kickflips.

I disagree. How can you say that clearance doesn't matter for kick-flip tricks? Maybe not for some of them like a half-hicker kick-flip, but for wheelchair kickflips it does matter immensely since from that position you are forced to be much closer to your bars during the flipping.

True, but how would a 2pc, 4pc, 8pc, etc.pc handlebar affect a kickflip?  I can understand the width argument for wheelchair kickflips, but not when it comes to how many tubes the handlebar is made from.

Yeah, I don't know how the number of pieces the bars are made from would matter in the context of kick-flips either. But, in general, it seems that the more room one has to move around one's bike the more conducive it is to the greatest number of tricks and two piece bars sure take up a lot more space near the stem and have a much higher crossbar than say, a set of T4 bars.   
Title: Re: What is the advantage of 2pc bars?
Post by: howie on January 07, 2012, 07:32:49 PM
I think its just comes down to riding style/tricks. Ive been riding 4 piece since the late eighties. Peregrine, Haro, Standard, Basic, Homeless, Ryal, Odyssey, Graveyard, SandM maybe (others?)
  I always liked the knee/leg clearance 4 piece provide. Only broke the Peregrines. I agree with Brandon-I can do crackpacker k/flips fwd+bkwd and it positively helps having knee saver style bars...not crucial but helps...in my opinion...
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