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Title: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: Mr News Bot on March 01, 2010, 03:34:22 PM
KHE Bikes is now on Twitter and posting some rather interesting news there from time to time. For example a pic of Adam Kun´s prototype handlebar called A-Blast which you can see on the left. It´s 9 inch high, has a classic shape and will be quite lightweight.

Follow KHE Bikes on Twitter.
(http:///upload/media/2010-03-01-15-27-40ablast.jpg)
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: TOflat on March 01, 2010, 03:55:37 PM
Ass-Blaster handlebars huh? I'm sorry Adam Kun, you're too good for that company.
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: i_cant_ride on March 01, 2010, 04:08:55 PM
Agreed. Adam is way too good for Khe. Their parts are horrible. Welds are shotty, material is garbage and design is almost always severely flawed
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: byke on March 01, 2010, 04:22:00 PM
http://twitpic.com/160su1 (http://twitpic.com/160su1)
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: mitch on March 01, 2010, 04:24:22 PM
Looks like the deep-bar!!!!

But, the deep-bar is looking much more how I like it. A bit of a remake. But Ok....
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: adamkun on March 01, 2010, 05:03:26 PM
Hey Riders ! Take it easy  :mellow:

I wanted to design a simple, 2 piece type, clean looking strong handlebar.
Today's bars are too low for me, and I don’t like the widths or the angles.
I wanted the crossbar not to be too low or too high either. I don’t like the
high cross tube, and I need this rise for some of my tricks.
The back sweep and the upsweep are both my personal taste, this is how I like it.

Thanks
Adam Kun
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: Furball on March 01, 2010, 05:23:10 PM
Looks like the deep bar!!!!

But, the deep bar is looking much more how I like it. This just looks like some bad remake!

Dude, go see an ophthalmologist. They look like Suelo bars. Take some Suelo bars, add a few degrees of back and upsweep... voila. KHE Anal Blast bars! -_-
 
(http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/6893/70581241.jpg)



Hey Riders ! Take it easy  :mellow:

I wanted to design a simple, 2 piece type, clean looking strong handlebar.
Today's bars are too low for me, and I don’t like the widths or the angles.
I wanted the crossbar not to be too low or too high either. I don’t like the
high cross tube, and I need this rise for some of my tricks.
The back sweep and the upsweep are both my personal taste, this is how I like it.

Thanks
Adam Kun

Adam, there's no hate. We're just having some fun here, that's all. :ph34r:
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: dethtrk17 on March 01, 2010, 05:28:16 PM
I kinda like em...xcept for the upsweep :P
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: Wouter van der Linde on March 01, 2010, 05:48:06 PM
OMG, those are so nice looking. If there is gonna be a version without the upsweep, i want some!
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: jazzman on March 01, 2010, 06:22:34 PM
Hey Riders ! Take it easy  :mellow:

I wanted to design a simple, 2 piece type, clean looking strong handlebar.
Today's bars are too low for me, and I don’t like the widths or the angles.
I wanted the crossbar not to be too low or too high either. I don’t like the
high cross tube, and I need this rise for some of my tricks.
The back sweep and the upsweep are both my personal taste, this is how I like it.

Thanks
Adam Kun

whats the full specs of the bars man... :beer:
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: Flatism® on March 01, 2010, 07:02:37 PM
Their bars are ok...
I like.
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: khe killah on March 01, 2010, 07:57:33 PM
Yeah not bad, only thing i don't like is the drilling holes in the grip section... Totaly not needed, could be weak in my opinion... My Bram bars are the same and i had to cut them dowm cos they were to wide for me... But those holes make it harder to do this... Respect to adam for going with what he thinks is right... It's all about personal taste...  :P
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: Daniel Fuhrmann on March 01, 2010, 08:40:36 PM
Do you see any difference here ?

http://www.kunstform.org/bmx-teile-lenker-c-1_4.html?language=en&filter=street (http://www.kunstform.org/bmx-teile-lenker-c-1_4.html?language=en&filter=street)

(sorry for posting links martin)

:-)

Good Job Adam

I'm looking forward to a life without spacers ! 9 inch is great
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: Daniel Fuhrmann on March 01, 2010, 08:44:04 PM
Another statemant : Suelo Bar is a copy of the Dafubar :-)

http://www.global-flat.com/parts/part/508 (http://www.global-flat.com/parts/part/508)

keep on riding friends !

Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: BERTFLAT on March 01, 2010, 09:04:40 PM
i like it and will probably buy it as soon as it hits the market  :P
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: centsofnonsens.com on March 01, 2010, 09:20:56 PM
OMG, those are so nice looking. If there is gonna be a version without the upsweep, i want some!

Lots of people seem to dislike upsweep. I don't really understand why, because i really like some degrees of upsweep, because it gives me a lot more leverage and control (at least in my opinion).

So thank you Adam!
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: das-owal on March 01, 2010, 09:31:44 PM
Finaly 9 inch bars! and they look nice!

By the way KHE is never quit flatland over the jears like some other big companies and without them our bikes would weigth still more. Maybee they don't made the strongest parts out there but they don't bitch when you break your parts and mostly you get new ones, so what!

And the reason why part tend to look alike is that most companiey don't have the money to inovate totaly new parts or it's just that over the jears riders found out what fits best for the riding.

I hope to read more cualified comments...
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: katobmx on March 01, 2010, 09:56:55 PM
Nice Dafu remake. Cool!
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: Furball on March 01, 2010, 10:43:56 PM
Finaly 9 inch bars! and they look nice!

By the way KHE is never quit flatland over the jears like some other big companies and without them our bikes would weigth still more. Maybee they don't made the strongest parts out there but they don't bitch when you break your parts and mostly you get new ones, so what!

And the reason why part tend to look alike is that most companiey don't have the money to inovate totaly new parts or it's just that over the jears riders found out what fits best for the riding.

I hope to read more cualified comments...
It's time to improve your grammar. I suggest you take this chance to see the benefits for yourself. :ph34r:
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: pucker22 on March 01, 2010, 10:46:58 PM
Nice man, wish it was like the swissmiss though 2 in one :D
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: Ronny Engelmann @ Kassel on March 01, 2010, 10:51:56 PM
Finaly 9 inch bars! and they look nice!

By the way KHE is never quit flatland over the jears like some other big companies and without them our bikes would weigth still more. Maybee they don't made the strongest parts out there but they don't bitch when you break your parts and mostly you get new ones, so what!

And the reason why part tend to look alike is that most companiey don't have the money to inovate totaly new parts or it's just that over the jears riders found out what fits best for the riding.

I hope to read more cualified comments...
It's time to improve your grammar. I suggest you take this chance to see the benefits for yourself. :ph34r:


hes from germany....we german riders...we CAN DO THIS hahahahahahah...now silentium :beer:
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: froghammer on March 01, 2010, 11:00:38 PM
There are some days when I wish KHE would just say "You know what, you flatland crybaby bitches? We're out. Take your tiny sport and go f*ck yourselves."  :wacko:

They really can't win.
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: Furball on March 01, 2010, 11:06:24 PM
hes from germany....we german riders...we CAN DO THIS hahahahahahah...now silentium :beer:

I don't care where he's from. I made a nice and friendly suggestion. And no, you can't do this!

Don't come on here and try to tell me you live in caves because you don't! -_-

This is an English-only zone. Words Things like "jears", "weigth", "companiey", or "cualified" do not exist in our language!
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: Havokflat on March 01, 2010, 11:10:21 PM
hes from germany....we german riders...we CAN DO THIS hahahahahahah...now silentium :beer:

I don't care where he's from. I made a nice and friendly suggestion. And no, you can't do this!

Don't come on here and try to tell me you live in caves because you don't! -_-

This is an English-only zone. Words like "jears", "weigth", "companiey", or "cualified" do not exist in our language!

tiny bit harsh .. just a tiny bit                      :wub:
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: Budz on March 01, 2010, 11:19:13 PM
i like the height, and they look clean enough.
tooo bad KHE makes em! :(

whats the full specs? up/back sweep, width?
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: Rad255 on March 01, 2010, 11:20:41 PM
I'm looking forward to a life without spacers ! 9 inch is great

+1
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: Hugo @ Portugal on March 01, 2010, 11:24:06 PM
There are some days when I wish KHE would just say "You know what, you flatland crybaby bitches? We're out. Take your tiny sport and go f*ck yourselves."  :wacko:

They really can't win.

Nobody's bitching, riders are sick of watching frames snap in obvious places and parts that just don't meet common sense levels of durability.

I actually love this bar, just like I already loved the one from Suelo or St. Martin, and I would gladly try it out.
Right now I don't need one but even if I did I'd always wait and see the first couple feedbacks from experienced riders couse in KHE you just can't trust.
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: blind on March 01, 2010, 11:24:19 PM
I like these bars. I wanted some taller bars with backsweep and the sepy bars just cost to much for americans. may pic these up
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: pucker22 on March 02, 2010, 12:48:46 AM
lol im totally gonna buy these! Any news when the final product is out ? :D
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: 2flat2furious on March 02, 2010, 12:51:29 AM


Nobody's bitching, riders are sick of watching frames snap in obvious places and parts that just don't meet common sense levels of durability.


Cool then I guess people should stop buying pretty much all frames because KHE's failure rates are ON PAR with every other frame manufacturers out there.
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: i_cant_ride on March 02, 2010, 01:04:48 AM
Maybe their frames are on par with how many they'll actually warranty but any time I've ever tried getting anything warranteed by khe I was denied. Khe can blow me.
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: EZChris on March 02, 2010, 01:10:33 AM
Yeah not bad, only thing i don't like is the drilling holes in the grip section... Totaly not needed, could be weak in my opinion...


The idea of the holes is not to reduce weight but to stop grips from twisting. When you put on grips the air can escape easier, thus resulting in a more stuck on grip.

At least, thats why street companies do it.
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: 2flat2furious on March 02, 2010, 01:19:04 AM
I've also never seen a bar bend in the middle of the griptube.
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: tod miller on March 02, 2010, 02:34:58 AM
Yeah not bad, only thing i don't like is the drilling holes in the grip section... Totaly not needed, could be weak in my opinion...


The idea of the holes is not to reduce weight but to stop grips from twisting. When you put on grips the air can escape easier, thus resulting in a more stuck on grip.

At least, thats why street companies do it.

Well, that makes sense.  I always thought it was too save "weight".   I might actually drill a few holes in my bars to test this out.
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: TOflat on March 02, 2010, 02:51:02 AM
There are some days when I wish KHE would just say "You know what, you flatland crybaby bitches? We're out. Take your tiny sport and go f*ck yourselves."  :wacko:

They really can't win.

They can take Alienation with them.
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: jazzman on March 02, 2010, 02:59:29 AM


Nobody's bitching, riders are sick of watching frames snap in obvious places and parts that just don't meet common sense levels of durability.


Cool then I guess people should stop buying pretty much all frames because KHE's failure rates are ON PAR with every other frame manufacturers out there.

 :beer:
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: dethtrk17 on March 02, 2010, 03:01:09 AM
Yeah not bad, only thing i don't like is the drilling holes in the grip section... Totaly not needed, could be weak in my opinion...


The idea of the holes is not to reduce weight but to stop grips from twisting. When you put on grips the air can escape easier, thus resulting in a more stuck on grip.

At least, thats why street companies do it.

Well, that makes sense.  I always thought it was too save "weight".   I might actually drill a few holes in my bars to test this out.

my new swiss miss came with the holes... my grips were a breeze to put on and suprisingly ive seen no bending or felt no flexing.  
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: smiley (Roy) on March 02, 2010, 06:04:34 AM
Specs in parts section...

http://www.global-flat.com/parts/showPart.php?part_id=937 (http://www.global-flat.com/parts/showPart.php?part_id=937)

-Roy
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: Rad255 on March 02, 2010, 06:11:37 AM
Yea these things are legit. Don't forget, Marti(i?) is also coming out with a set of 9" bars that also look similar to these. So there will be more than one option.
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: TheBodenseeler on March 02, 2010, 09:12:09 AM


Nobody's bitching, riders are sick of watching frames snap in obvious places and parts that just don't meet common sense levels of durability.


Cool then I guess people should stop buying pretty much all frames because KHE's failure rates are ON PAR with every other frame manufacturers out there.

+1

Maybe their frames are on par with how many they'll actually warranty but any time I've ever tried getting anything warranteed by khe I was denied. Khe can blow me.

Weird...the one time I had a problem they just sent me the spare part without any paperwork. Same goes for several friends of mine. Where are you from?

i like the height, and they look clean enough.
tooo bad KHE makes em! :(

whats the full specs? up/back sweep, width?

To say something like that is just stupid...no offense!  :beer:
I rode two of their bars (DafuBar and BramBar) and they were really strong...never heard of KHE bar snapping phenomenon.

Oh and for the topic...those bars look sweeeeeet!
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: Ronny Engelmann @ Kassel on March 02, 2010, 09:18:39 AM
ive seen a video of a streetrider who rides the swiss miss and its still strong. i rode a swiss for 1 year and nothing bent or something. its a super bar for the price!the khe cirrus bar is also superstrong. i rode it too for weeks and the streetrider who rides this bars now is happy with it...and he rides hardcore with his bike. for this money you can get a chase bar...but it is sh*t. so many broke it.
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: khe killah on March 02, 2010, 10:20:57 AM
I love the way this thread was started, then the khe riders come on here with minimal post counts but post on a khe orientated thread going on about how good it is... Bram where are you... lol... just found it funny... ;D :beer:

The idea of the holes is not to reduce weight but to stop grips from twisting. When you put on grips the air can escape easier, thus resulting in a more stuck on grip.

At least, thats why street companies do it.

I actually did'nt know that, interesting! Lock on grips work for me, but i also had to de-burr the holes myself on those bars... haha
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: Furball on March 02, 2010, 12:16:12 PM
I love the way this thread was started, then the khe riders come on here with minimal post counts but post on a khe orientated thread going on about how good it is... Bram where are you... lol... just found it funny... ;D :beer:

Remember your "Are KHE Bram Bars any good??" thread?

http://www.global-flat.com/smf/index.php?topic=26779 (http://www.global-flat.com/smf/index.php?topic=26779)

On June 4, 2009 I replied: "Mine snapped during a nose wheelie and I almost got smashed to pieces upon impact."


And on October 29, 2009 someone posted some interesting pics:

http://www.global-flat.com/smf/index.php?topic=29757.msg271580#msg271580 (http://www.global-flat.com/smf/index.php?topic=29757.msg271580#msg271580)

I rode two of their bars (DafuBar and BramBar) and they were really strong...never heard of KHE bar snapping phenomenon.

Just click the 2nd link already.

Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: khe killah on March 02, 2010, 12:21:12 PM
Jesus Furball you don't miss a trick do you...  ;D :beer:
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: Henrik on March 02, 2010, 01:28:08 PM
It's time to improve your grammar. I suggest you take this chance to see the benefits for yourself. :ph34r:
This is an English-only zone. Words Things like "jears", "weigth", "companiey", or "cualified" do not exist in our language!

Well, at least those small mistakes you quoted have nothing to do with grammar. It's the spelling that's a bit of. I assume English is your native language, and thus was expecting you to know what the word grammar means... especially when you're so keen to lecture others about it.

Cool handlebars by the way :)
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: Ronny Engelmann @ Kassel on March 02, 2010, 02:24:15 PM
hes from germany....we german riders...we CAN DO THIS hahahahahahah...now silentium :beer:

I don't care where he's from. I made a nice and friendly suggestion. And no, you can't do this!

Don't come on here and try to tell me you live in caves because you don't! -_-

This is an English-only zone. Words Things like "jears", "weigth", "companiey", or "cualified" do not exist in our language!

and i dont care what you said about that  ^_^ ^_^ ^_^. its not your world but its the world of us all;) dont be a grammar na*i  :beer:

Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: coaster on March 02, 2010, 03:13:51 PM
Yeah Ronny.................
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: i_cant_ride on March 02, 2010, 04:46:04 PM
I had Bram bars and snapped the grip tube clean off. I had dubz chain tensioners and somehow blew them out. Back in the day I had Phil dolan bars and bent the sh*t out of them. Every part I've ever had that was made by khe failed.  Also, the only parts I've ever had fail were made by khe. Their sh*t is garbage. Adam, this isn't an attack on you by any means. I think you're one of the best riders in the world. I just feel you should be riding for a company that will accommodate you're skill level with quality craftsmanship and better materials.
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: 2flat2furious on March 02, 2010, 08:09:42 PM
I had Bram bars and snapped the grip tube clean off. I had dubz chain tensioners and somehow blew them out. Back in the day I had Phil dolan bars and bent the sh*t out of them. Every part I've ever had that was made by khe failed.  Also, the only parts I've ever had fail were made by khe. Their sh*t is garbage. Adam, this isn't an attack on you by any means. I think you're one of the best riders in the world. I just feel you should be riding for a company that will accommodate you're skill level with quality craftsmanship and better materials.

Could you please name another flatland company that has a relatively lower failure rate (backed up with numbers) than KHE that could offer Adam a better deal than a signature frame and parts line?
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: tod miller on March 02, 2010, 08:16:38 PM
I had Bram bars and snapped the grip tube clean off. I had dubz chain tensioners and somehow blew them out. Back in the day I had Phil dolan bars and bent the sh*t out of them. Every part I've ever had that was made by khe failed.  Also, the only parts I've ever had fail were made by khe. Their sh*t is garbage. Adam, this isn't an attack on you by any means. I think you're one of the best riders in the world. I just feel you should be riding for a company that will accommodate you're skill level with quality craftsmanship and better materials.

Could you please name another flatland company that has a relatively lower failure rate (backed up with numbers) than KHE that could offer Adam a better deal than a signature frame and parts line?

Hoffman gave Kevin Jones a signature bike, with I'm sure much lower failure rates than KHE.  I know, I know...not strictly flatland, but then KHE isn't either.  And I can't give you numbers, but I have yet to hear of a Strowler failing.  And I only say this because I know you hate Strowlers(still trying to figure out why).

But it's cool to see a deserving rider get signature parts by any company.

By chance, do you know the failure rates of St. Martin's frames compared to KHE?  I know you have issues with St. Martin's, and I was wondering how they compare.

And for the record, I don't hate KHE.  I honestly think there is a frame/parts for every type of rider.  If you are smooth and dialed, I don't see why a KHE wouldn't be a decent bike.  I just happen to slam way too much to ever trust one.
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: 2flat2furious on March 02, 2010, 08:34:25 PM
Kevin is not a competing flatlander. They are most likely not paying Kevin month to month to ride for them. They just wanted to use his name on a frame so that their frame wouldn't sell poorly like the momentum did.

Also, Adam would end up paying out of pocket for all the parts he wants to run that aren't made by Hoffman...which is pretty much everything since all Hoffman has done with flatland is the frame.

I don't understand how that's a better deal?

Oh and FYI Strowlers are failing at about the same rate as any other frame company from what I understand. People just don't post about it on the internet.
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: i_cant_ride on March 02, 2010, 08:35:53 PM
The official failure rate numbers don't count for sh*t due to the fact that the numbers are based on parts warrantied. When a company doesn't warranty a failed part it doesn't get factored into the total number of failures. I know from personal experience that khe parts break easily and their warranty policies drastically limit the time frame you have to get the warranty. I ride a st.Martin and have had 0 complaints or disparaging remarks to make but anytime I've Eve dealt with khe I've had major problems that cost me significant amounts of money. I know there are plenty of others out there that have had identical experiences.
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: 2flat2furious on March 02, 2010, 08:39:55 PM
The official failure rate numbers don't count for sh*t due to the fact that the numbers are based on parts warrantied. When a company doesn't warranty a failed part it doesn't get factored into the total number of failures. I know from personal experience that khe parts break easily and their warranty policies drastically limit the time frame you have to get the warranty. I ride a st.Martin and have had 0 complaints or disparaging remarks to make but anytime I've Eve dealt with khe I've had major problems that cost me significant amounts of money. I know there are plenty of others out there that have had identical experiences.

That's funny because Pat usually trumpets on high about how great KHE is with warranties.
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: tod miller on March 02, 2010, 09:25:03 PM
Kevin is not a competing flatlander. They are most likely not paying Kevin month to month to ride for them. They just wanted to use his name on a frame so that their frame wouldn't sell poorly like the momentum did.

Also, Adam would end up paying out of pocket for all the parts he wants to run that aren't made by Hoffman...which is pretty much everything since all Hoffman has done with flatland is the frame.

I don't understand how that's a better deal?

Oh and FYI Strowlers are failing at about the same rate as any other frame company from what I understand. People just don't post about it on the internet.

That's not a better deal, I wasn't saying Adam should do a signature frame for Hoffman.  And you are probably right about Jones just lending his name to Hoffman, and not getting a paycheck.   If Adam wants to work with KHE, I'm all for it.  Only time will tell if they will hold up.  Same goes for any product.  


I find it hard to believe that people don't post their broke Hoffman's on the internet.  I wouldn't see why not? :huh:  I STILL have yet to see one.  I would like to dispell the myth that they don't break just as much as you...but I just don't see it happening.  

Okay done...sorry so off topic folks.  Carry on. :beer:
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: i_cant_ride on March 02, 2010, 09:35:53 PM
I tried to get the bram bars warrantied through pat less than 4 months after I bought them. He said no can do because my big bad 90 day warranty was up. Odyssey has lifetime warranties on almost all their stuff. Adam would be better off on Odyssey for that reason alone. Evenif the parts do break you're covered for life. FOR LIFE!!!!
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: 2flat2furious on March 02, 2010, 09:42:56 PM
One thing to take into account: Younger guys are NOT buying strowlers by and large. The younger guys that are riding longer and harder are buying KHEs or St martins or Zions. If older dudes who ride only three times a week for an hour at a time are the main demographic, then the rate of failure is skewed in favor of the other companies and not the strowler.

Something to think about.

edit: Odyssey doesn't cover all of their parts for life. Only the 41 thermals, and that doesn't keep the bars from snapping off at the griptube as we've seen recently. You're naive to think that a company that doesn't offer a lifetime warranty on a part is going to take them back after 4 months of riding. You could have done anything to them in that span of time. I don't think the two are comparable especially considering the odyssey bars breaking are a manufacturers defect, while you breaking KHE bram bars may have not been (4 months is plenty of time to rule out the manufacturer being the problem).
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: Johnnyjohnsturr on March 02, 2010, 09:44:45 PM
I had Bram bars and snapped the grip tube clean off. I had dubz chain tensioners and somehow blew them out. Back in the day I had Phil dolan bars and bent the sh*t out of them. Every part I've ever had that was made by khe failed.  Also, the only parts I've ever had fail were made by khe. Their sh*t is garbage. Adam, this isn't an attack on you by any means. I think you're one of the best riders in the world. I just feel you should be riding for a company that will accommodate you're skill level with quality craftsmanship and better materials.

Why does everyone say stuff like this? Im sure yall do break these parts but SHEESH. Stop being fat-asses. These things arent made out of cork ya know. If you are snapping metal components in half you seriously have other issues.
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: Havokflat on March 02, 2010, 09:48:53 PM

Oh and FYI Strowlers are failing at about the same rate as any other frame company from what I understand. People just don't post about it on the internet.

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Could you please name another flatland company that has a relatively lower failure rate (backed up with numbers)

Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: jazzman on March 02, 2010, 10:10:58 PM
I smell a-damn ass-blast in this thread... and it has nothing to do with the bars!  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: i_cant_ride on March 02, 2010, 10:14:11 PM
Naive to think that after spending 90 bucks on handlebars and experiencing catastrophic failure after only a few months that the company responsible for sh*tty craftsmanship would wanna save face by actually warrantying something that was completely their fault? You're right TJ, I was naive. I was naive for giving khe another chance after having experienced problems with them before. My bad for trusting that sh*tty company based on-the-job opinions expressed by the khe dick riders who rant and rave about their low weight and strength. Again, khe can lick balls.
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: i_cant_ride on March 02, 2010, 10:20:25 PM
And for the record, the griptube snapping off was completely the fault of khe quality inspectors as the weld didn't penetrate.
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: Hugo @ Portugal on March 02, 2010, 10:29:41 PM
Could you please name another flatland company that has a relatively lower failure rate (backed up with numbers) than KHE that could offer Adam a better deal than a signature frame and parts line?

Since you're so interested let's talk about numbers then.

Where are your's about KHE failure rate vs other brands failure rate? Shed some light because you seem well informed or are you just making assumptions like the rest of us?
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: blind on March 03, 2010, 12:29:15 AM
Kevin is not a competing flatlander. They are most likely not paying Kevin month to month to ride for them. They just wanted to use his name on a frame so that their frame wouldn't sell poorly like the momentum did.

Also, Adam would end up paying out of pocket for all the parts he wants to run that aren't made by Hoffman...which is pretty much everything since all Hoffman has done with flatland is the frame.

I don't understand how that's a better deal?

Oh and FYI Strowlers are failing at about the same rate as any other frame company from what I understand. People just don't post about it on the internet.

There not posting pics because they haven't figured out this new fangled computer yet lol jk

That's not a better deal, I wasn't saying Adam should do a signature frame for Hoffman.  And you are probably right about Jones just lending his name to Hoffman, and not getting a paycheck.   If Adam wants to work with KHE, I'm all for it.  Only time will tell if they will hold up.  Same goes for any product.  


I find it hard to believe that people don't post their broke Hoffman's on the internet.  I wouldn't see why not? :huh:  I STILL have yet to see one.  I would like to dispell the myth that they don't break just as much as you...but I just don't see it happening.  

Okay done...sorry so off topic folks.  Carry on. :beer:
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: jerr6 on March 03, 2010, 12:57:44 AM
im just happy there is some 9in bars. plus martti might be having some out. its a good day for tall people
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: 2flat2furious on March 03, 2010, 02:45:00 AM


Since you're so interested let's talk about numbers then.

Where are your's about KHE failure rate vs other brands failure rate? Shed some light because you seem well informed or are you just making assumptions like the rest of us?

Because I've spoken to guys who sell lots and lots of flatlad bikes and flatland parts, some might even be on this forum :gasp: and they've told me numerous times that KHE's are no worse than any other company. I bet their biased as all hell though right?
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: Burd on March 03, 2010, 04:18:25 AM
9 inch bars with upsweep and backsweep = f*** yeah.  I'm gonna get these.
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: Hugo @ Portugal on March 03, 2010, 11:34:36 AM
Since you're so interested let's talk about numbers then.

Where are your's about KHE failure rate vs other brands failure rate? Shed some light because you seem well informed or are you just making assumptions like the rest of us?

Because I've spoken to guys who sell lots and lots of flatlad bikes and flatland parts, (...) I bet their biased as all hell though right?

Why shouldn't they be? They probably make a good part of their living out of it, they may or may not have the interest in dissing some companies public image.
If you plan on selling that new super duper part from KHE to dozens of riders you don't want to spread the "KHE fails more than other brands" word, it would be conter-productive.

There are no numbers on what parts fail the more because there are no official release numbers (are there?) on what parts sell more and what percentage of those get reported by riders as being faulty.

Now, if you blindly believe that sellers always speak their mind just because you know them, well, unless you've been in 'Nam' with them I'd assume everyone has to make a living and KHE sells alot.

Personally the only example I have from KHE bad policies is from the word of one of the only two Portuguese store that sells BMX parts. I once asked the owner about it and he told you wouldn't sell KHE's products anymore not because of quality issues but customer support.
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: jm on March 03, 2010, 04:34:02 PM
Is breaking parts ever the fault of the rider?! Some guys do big tricks and break stuff. true, but some people break everything and talk bad about the company. I'm just saying, sometimes it's the rider, not the company who is to blame for these broken parts. welds that don't penetrate is another thing entirely tho
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: Valdez-Bubnov on March 03, 2010, 06:25:34 PM
I have been riding a Paris II complete for almost two years, and nothing has broken.
Not even the brake cable.
According to what I read in this forum, it should have disintegrated by now.
I do not see any design faults, either.
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: nika on March 03, 2010, 07:10:11 PM
Good Job Adam

I'm looking forward to a life without spacers ! 9 inch is great

Hang on, your signature bars were less than 7" tall! Have you got taller recently?  ;D

I'm really happy someone's had the courage to mass produce something practical and totally different to the rest of the market. 9 inchers should have been widely available for a long time now rather than having to go custom.

Has anyone got any inside info on Martti's bars?

*waits patiently for Furball's reply*
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: 2flat2furious on March 03, 2010, 10:19:13 PM
Why shouldn't they be? They probably make a good part of their living out of it, they may or may not have the interest in dissing some companies public image.
If you plan on selling that new super duper part from KHE to dozens of riders you don't want to spread the "KHE fails more than other brands" word, it would be conter-productive.

Considering how incredibly trust worthy the source of the information is, you really don't know what you're talking about. He's stood up to plenty of companies before and refused to buy "bad" parts in the past. I think he's about the most informed and trustworthy person in the sport when it comes to parts.

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There are no numbers on what parts fail the more because there are no official release numbers (are there?) on what parts sell more and what percentage of those get reported by riders as being faulty.

So then basically you're saying neither one of us can know for sure and your position is just as fallible as mine is. Cool!

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Now, if you blindly believe that sellers always speak their mind just because you know them, well, unless you've been in 'Nam' with them I'd assume everyone has to make a living and KHE sells alot.

I think riders hype up the claims about parts failing because they've had it happen to them. It is still a mystery to me how so many on here back Quamen with their life yet nearly every part I've ever had from them failed because of the fault of Quamen themselves.

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Personally the only example I have from KHE bad policies is from the word of one of the only two Portuguese store that sells BMX parts. I once asked the owner about it and he told you wouldn't sell KHE's products anymore not because of quality issues but customer support.

KHE North America is not KHE Portugal. They are two entirely different groups of people.
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Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: Furball on March 04, 2010, 11:03:04 AM
*waits patiently for Furball's reply*

*who keeps his mouth shut*
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: Flatism® on March 04, 2010, 12:08:44 PM
Good Job Adam

I'm looking forward to a life without spacers ! 9 inch is great

Hang on, your signature bars were less than 7" tall! Have you got taller recently?  ;D

I'm really happy someone's had the courage to mass produce something practical and totally different to the rest of the market. 9 inchers should have been widely available for a long time now rather than having to go custom.

Has anyone got any inside info on Martti's bars?

*waits patiently for Furball's reply*
+100
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: SNOOP on March 04, 2010, 01:01:10 PM
Since you're so interested let's talk about numbers then.

Where are your's about KHE failure rate vs other brands failure rate? Shed some light because you seem well informed or are you just making assumptions like the rest of us?


Because I've spoken to guys who sell lots and lots of flatlad bikes and flatland parts, (...) I bet their biased as all hell though right?


Why shouldn't they be? They probably make a good part of their living out of it, they may or may not have the interest in dissing some companies public image.
If you plan on selling that new super duper part from KHE to dozens of riders you don't want to spread the "KHE fails more than other brands" word, it would be conter-productive.

There are no numbers on what parts fail the more because there are no official release numbers (are there?) on what parts sell more and what percentage of those get reported by riders as being faulty.

Now, if you blindly believe that sellers always speak their mind just because you know them, well, unless you've been in 'Nam' with them I'd assume everyone has to make a living and KHE sells alot.

Personally the only example I have from KHE bad policies is from the word of one of the only two Portuguese store that sells BMX parts. I once asked the owner about it and he told you wouldn't sell KHE's products anymore not because of quality issues but customer support.

eyy what's up everybody....YO i'm a flatlander from colombia ad i've been riding for 5 years and i've testing a lot of frames but there is a couple of frame that they are a completely sh*t!...the paris 2 and the paris 3......the paris 2 i broke in less 13 days!!!! and my warranty was the paris 3 and i got the the paris 3 in january 1 and i broke at the 23 in the same month!!! man!!! how it's posible ah?? AND KHE WON'T GIVE ME THE WARRANTY!!!!!!        this is the video when i broke the paris 2  [url]http://www.vimeo.com/1416710........[/url] ([url]http://www.vimeo.com/1416710........the[/url])  the photos belong to the paris 3


Jeroflat,

Where did you buy this frame? Why is the shop you bought it from not handling the warranty for you? If you purchased this frame from me, it would be warrantied. Email me and I will try to help if I can.

I have mentioned this in the past as well but KHE Paris2 frames have a better than average warranty percentage. Through all of 2008 I only had to replace a couple out of many many sold. With that said, it is a super light frame and there is a compromise on lifespan and strength that comes with that. That is true of all frames this light. So you have to keep that in mind when making purchasing decisions. A reasonable warranty should be expected though and KHE has always been excellent in handling warranties for me.

Now say your sorry Hugo...
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: Daniel Fuhrmann on March 04, 2010, 05:13:50 PM
We from kunstform?! BMX Shop working over many years together with KHE and the service and tolerance of warranty is one of the best and very good. Nearly all broken parts we could swap in the past. 

There is seriously no problem of quality or broken parts issues compare to other brands.
Believe some other Brands are having much much more problems with things like this.
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: coaster on March 04, 2010, 07:56:26 PM
Thats right. I got a new frame, bars and a stem. T.G. is a very nice guy.
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: JEff MCi on March 15, 2010, 06:37:03 AM
Sick child, baby....Sick Child... :beer:
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: JEff MCi on March 15, 2010, 06:57:30 AM
also....people really need to take into consideration of HOW people break their parts.....I hear people complain about bikes/parts breaking all the time....but a lot of them never really say how..<---this question is very important...how??...and be honest...did you go street riding?did you start learning whips?are you a really clumsy rider ??what was it?.....I've seen many flatlanders attempt street tricks and just f*ck sh*t up...People have to remember that these are flatland parts...and most-likely,  lighter than street parts...and now people are incorporating more street-like tricks into their combos...com'on, you don't think sh*ts gonna break? Its like someone's car running out of gas and getting upset at the manufacturer every time it did(knowing the consequences of driving a vehicle, lolol)


 ...oh yea....and at the same time people are complaining about weight...what??!!...

lite weight parts equals shorter life span for the parts..deal with it..if not, go buy a 5-6pound frame...( thats if they even exists anymore, lololol).

............Sick Child, baby...Sick Child :mellow:
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: Wouter van der Linde on August 31, 2011, 07:23:47 PM




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Sadly the design has changed......
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: metalbmxer on August 31, 2011, 08:06:45 PM
Course it has, the bends near the clamp tube seem cheaper to produce. Thus 4pc down to 2 pc now, comparing it to the pic on the first page.
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: 2flat2furious on August 31, 2011, 11:00:58 PM
Really want that bar. I have the S&M bar right now and it just feels pretty milquetoast.
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: Andrew.. on August 31, 2011, 11:46:05 PM
I'll definitely give these bars a spin when they come out. although I am pretty stuck in my ways with the chase no bs bars, I like the height on the a-blast. Shame the design has changed from the original, I really liked that about them.
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: SurfonFlatland on September 01, 2011, 02:28:22 PM
Course it has, the bends near the clamp tube seem cheaper to produce. Thus 4pc down to 2 pc now, comparing it to the pic on the first page.
From my experience with breaking several handlebars, bends at the clamp area are much stronger than welds at the clamp area.
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: Limited on September 01, 2011, 07:46:47 PM
I'm very satisfied with what im looking at.
Title: Re: KHE Spypic: A-Blast handlebar
Post by: Andrew.. on September 01, 2011, 11:27:37 PM
To be fair the new design looks pretty much the same as the old one when you look at them side by side.