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English => General Flatland Forum => Topic started by: Erik Otto on February 17, 2009, 01:16:24 AM
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Just spreading the word:
Hey Guys-
Today I have a Bike Check on the Odyssey site with all the latest Flatware parts and my new Signature flatware frame! Check it out!
Thanks
TA
http://www.odysseybmx.com/dailyword/2009/02/bike-check-terry-adams (http://www.odysseybmx.com/dailyword/2009/02/bike-check-terry-adams)
www.terryadamsbmx.com (http://www.terryadamsbmx.com)
By the way, his bike is at the top of the list for sickness right now. Unreal.
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i dont say this very often.
very nice
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N!CE I like the pegs. They look like plegs with end caps and sequence tape
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I'm surprised that odysseys first frame will be a flatland frame. Good on them. The cap idea is neat too. I'm going in a different direction with those but hey, if it works it works. I think the fact that you'll have to have a special tool to get the cap in and out will be the downfall.
But as for the frame, I think its sexy. I'd ride that.
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I truly hope this frame does come with a manly CS length. otherwise I could safely say that Odyssey /Terry is not doing anything else than stealing ares design. Am I wrong here?
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I be wish'n I had some medal end caps for my KHE Alchemy's
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I truly hope this frame does come with a manly CS length. otherwise I could safely say that Odyssey /Terry is not doing anything else than stealing ares design. Am I wrong here?
Really how many ways are there to put three triangles together.
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I saw that new headset on jim ceilinski's new sunday frame. they shave like 1/3 of the metal from the headset... thats why you see the silver metal showing.. its enough metal for the bearings to sit in but not any excess
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I trust ares craftmanship. Look forward to hearing the specs on the frame/ better pics of the products
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The end caps look like they have need a ISIS Bottom bracket tool to be installed.
Take a look here
http://images.google.com/images?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS300&q=isis%20bottom%20bracket%20tool&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi (http://images.google.com/images?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS300&q=isis%20bottom%20bracket%20tool&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi)
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Wow.
Just wow.
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I truly hope this frame does come with a manly CS length. otherwise I could safely say that Odyssey /Terry is not doing anything else than stealing ares design. Am I wrong here?
Really how many ways are there to put three triangles together.
a lot if we think about different numbers...
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I like how small and nice that headset looks.
no big ass bulky caps or crap sticking out.
just nice smooth lookin head tube.
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Brian ^ from talking to jim c. About it he says you don't lose any stregth by shaving some material. It slims it down, takes away some metal and bulk. Looks good!
Also, I think that the downtube curve is a bit more mellow than ares. Either way I don't think it is a ripoff of ares, flatlanders realize we need a bit more room under downtube, what is logical answer? Bend it!
GT did it, fly did it, ares did it, st martin did it, colony did it, dragonfly did it, hoffman did it, khe did it and now flatware... It is just logical!
It happens across the board with BMX. One company designs something that works and the industry follows.
Add different geometry etc and it tweeks it a bit, but all based on same idea. See macneil seatposts/seats or integrated seatclamps or 1 1/8 headsets. If it works and people like it stick with it.
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man, all those prototypes, and he's still riding an ares freecoaster...I guess i'm just gonna give up waiting for the g-coaster and look into the stolen easystreet...
and those pegs are the exact opposite of what i'd wan't, plastic with metal caps...looks like I'll be going to "toflat" for my next pegs when my tree's die...
buuuuut I love how that bike is just a freecoaster and chain away from being entirely odyssey= sick sick sick
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smn mentioned this is 1st odysseys frame... but actualy its not, they r making street frames under the name sunday? 4 some time now ;)
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does anyone know what the geo is going to be on that frame?
over 19"? i hope so.
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Everything looks great, but i have one question: can the boy not find a hat that fits?
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Everything looks great, but i have one question: can the boy not find a hat that fits?
It's because he has the body of a 14 year old
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i thought he already had bars called "No B.S. Bar's" the bike check say's "Bayou Bars"
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i thought he already had bars called "No B.S. Bar's" the bike check say's "Bayou Bars"
Those are one of the variations of the "Chase" bars that I think he used at one time. Terry now has his own signature bars, which is what the "Bayou Bar" is.
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The bayou bars are the ones you've seen in pics here on global and in the parts section. The BS and no BS are chase bars. Terry's are narrower and not as high.
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I truly hope this frame does come with a manly CS length. otherwise I could safely say that Odyssey /Terry is not doing anything else than stealing ares design. Am I wrong here?
Hey Kabirun I'm all for frames being offered in various TT lengths. The manly need what the manly need. As for Ody stealing Ares idea what more can be said than the obvious being Ares influence filtered through Terry into a frame he's apparently had input in. A little Ares in an Odyssey frame of all company's. Considering the upside of that, is it not great idea?
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Brian ^ from talking to jim c. About it he says you don't lose any stregth by shaving some material. It slims it down, takes away some metal and bulk. Looks good!
Also, I think that the downtube curve is a bit more mellow than ares. Either way I don't think it is a ripoff of ares, flatlanders realize we need a bit more room under downtube, what is logical answer? Bend it!
GT did it, fly did it, ares did it, st martin did it, colony did it, dragonfly did it, hoffman did it, khe did it and now flatware... It is just logical!
It happens across the board with BMX. One company designs something that works and the industry follows.
Add different geometry etc and it tweeks it a bit, but all based on same idea. See macneil seatposts/seats or integrated seatclamps or 1 1/8 headsets. If it works and people like it stick with it.
Steve, any idea if this uses normal style integrated fames, or are odyssey hoping for another
new format / standard to be adopted?
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Hey Kabirun I'm all for frames being offered in various TT lengths. The manly need what the manly need. As for Ody stealing Ares idea what more can be said than the obvious being Ares influence filtered through Terry into a frame he's apparently had input in. A little Ares in an Odyssey frame of all company's. Considering the upside of that, is it not great idea?
I am also for frames being offered in various TT lengths. But I'm just hopping this is really different to Ares. and to me, the most annoying thing about ares frames is the extra short CS, but it seems that Terry's prototype has a ridiculously short CS, less than 12.6. Also, coming from Odyssey you would expect quality and innovation, but also a design that suits most riders styles. but that CS is obviously designed for front wheel riders and not for back-wheel stuff. just like ares. so I'm wondering what would be different from this frame to ares frames. I hope this question gets the proper attention, because, as I said before, otherwise it would be just a simple copy, maybe with different joints at the chain stays. but if you look carefully, Ody is even copying the short head tube from Ares. oh well. it seems that people is excited about this frame just because Terry is behind it. I'm not because I still don't see innovation.
K
(http://www.aresbykes.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/doko_bike.jpg)
(http://www.odysseybmx.com/dailyword/archivesV2//2009/02/terry-adams-bike-check-6947.jpg)
Show me the money!!
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(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5UKH9IklYGU/R0H90SdRakI/AAAAAAAAAJ4/lGERyxqpXOY/s320/1st%2520place%2520at%2520flow.jpg)
^_^
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if Oddy and Terry are smart, they will release a few different size frames to reach more riders.
looks pretty nice, but the stem doesnt impress at all. its just their street stem, shortened, and isnt the most aesthetically pleasing looking thing by far. i know, function before fashion, but that stem is butt ugly. :P
im much more looking forward to Chases frame. :mellow: tt platform?! ;D ...u know, for those of us that can still appreciate such a thing. ;) haha.
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if Oddy and Terry are smart, they will release a few different size frames to reach more riders.
looks pretty nice, but the stem doesnt impress at all. its just their street stem, shortened, and isnt the most aesthetically pleasing looking thing by far. i know, function before fashion, but that stem is butt ugly. :P
im much more looking forward to Chases frame. :mellow: tt platform?! ;D ...u know, for those of us that can still appreciate such a thing. ;) haha.
The stem is damn near perfect in my opinion. A no frills stem that won't slip every five minutes that doesn't involve any gimmicks. It's simple, and it's straight forward.
As for platforms, I really hope it doesn't have one. Seriously. If it had perfect geometry and I was all for it and found that I HAD to have one of those stupid platforms I'd go buy a KHE paris just out of spite. They are pointless features that are nothing more than a throw back to a day when everyone did decades like everyone does spinning steamrollers now.
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I wonder how well his brakes work. I can't imagine using rims with painted sidewalls.
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I have always had much respect for oddyssey but the last 2 of their latest flat products (the chase bars and this frame), were obviously designed with other products in mind that the sponsored riders appreciate.
Now, really, if this is what the rider wants and likes to ride, then hell, there's no wrong in that.
But how bout releasing some new bars that dont look just like the tony bars, and a frame that doesn't look just like the ares frame? You know? Just for some diversity? So you at least can give the appearance that you are not duplicating other peoples ideas and you are about designing your own concepts too.
I still got respect for you oddy. But really, the only things of yours I've purchases in a long long time are your tires. Please don't hire some st martin rider and start making your own version 8T sprockets. :P
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I don't understand you guys. I havn't seen an innovative looking frame since.... ever? They all look the same. the KGB connexion looks like the KHE equalibrium which looks like a quamen G8 which sort of resembles a london. The St martin diamond looks just like their class x which looks exactly like a paris which looks like a div with a lower top tube. The tao looked like the federal which looked a lot like the FBM equalibrium, and the S&M sabbath lite. The Ares frame looks exactly the same way it did like 8 years ago with the Ashura only lighter, and that looks just like a GT show with a straight top tube. The homecore looked like a quamen. Venusia like a show. The zion luna, the show.
Christ who cares how it looks as long as it rides well? The Chase bars look just like the Tony bars, but they both look like Phil dolan bars if you're more than 5 feet away.
Visually there isn't much left to do in flatland to make things look more unique. I mean f*ck, even the KHE Unique isn't that unique.
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Hey mark... The headset, from sunday frame at least is 45• 45• Campi style like all other headsets. I guessing odyssey is just making their own. But I think when it said he was testing new headset it meant the shaved style not the bearings.
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I have always had much respect for oddyssey but the last 2 of their latest flat products (the chase bars and this frame), were obviously designed with other products in mind that the sponsored riders appreciate.
Now, really, if this is what the rider wants and likes to ride, then hell, there's no wrong in that.
But how bout releasing some new bars that dont look just like the tony bars, and a frame that doesn't look just like the ares frame? You know? Just for some diversity? So you at least can give the appearance that you are not duplicating other peoples ideas and you are about designing your own concepts too.
I still got respect for you oddy. But really, the only things of yours I've purchases in a long long time are your tires. Please don't hire some st martin rider and start making your own version 8T sprockets. :P
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odyssey should strive for innovation, just like they've done with street parts.
of course, frames tend to look alike, but come on, it is like if marti kuoppa would have copied a quamen for his kgb first prototype. or viky a fly, or hiro his previous delta. these guys clearly put their heads into new designs. of course if you explain to me what is different from this new ody prototype to the new ares ay spear, I wont' keep bothering anyone, is just that at first sight even the CS length looks the same. sorry for being a pain in the ass. but I don't understand the hype.
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sorry for being a pain in the ass. but I don't understand the hype.
If you look at a line of parts with the name Odyssey in front of them, you have every reason to be hyped.
They are making some of the highest quality parts on the market right now and for all the bellyaching that goes on about KHE we should treat this as the second coming of Christ. We (FLATLAND) are getting serious attention from Odyssey right now and I'm all for it. I don't care if they copy the AY for a few reasons. First off, Ares frames are too expensive because of the limited availability and the high shipping costs. I know Scott isn't making a whole lot with Ares bykes America just because even at 550 for a Garuda, it's still short selling what should be more expensive because of cost+international shipping. Secondly, like I said, availability. Ares isn't going through Pat anymore, so everything that Ares does get in is super limited. Third Odyssey makes some of the nicest products on the market and I know their quality control is going to be 2nd to none. they also have an absolutely bomb warranty department that is more than willing to help out with getting people back on their feet.
What I don't think you realize is how innovative a simple line of flat products without a lot of bells and whistles really is. I'm psyched on that stem because it's a normal stem without ten different clamping systems, two bolts, and threads that strip out because of poor threading.
It's next to impossible to create a truly innovative parts right now without going down the ultra-lightweight route. What we need are a simple line of products that a company will stand behind and that riders will use because they arn't looking for a whole bunch of bells and whistles in the product line.
Besides, from what I know the frame is Terry's design, so why don't you complain about it to him instead of about odyssey? That sounds like I'm being rude but honestly if Terry designed and had complete creative control over the frame and that's the design that they went for, what's the point of complaining about the company that let him do it?
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I am just eager to see what else they can make.
I dig frame designs like the old darwin and the luna.
I also like just straight tube frames.
I know they all look like each other these days
but all I'm saying is I'm noticing a pattern here, and I hope to see a deviation from that pattern in whatever they make next.
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I wonder how well his brakes work. I can't imagine using rims with painted sidewalls.
Clear brake pads work great on painted/ powder coated rims.
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Besides, from what I know the frame is Terry's design, so why don't you complain about it to him instead of about odyssey? That sounds like I'm being rude but honestly if Terry designed and had complete creative control over the frame and that's the design that they went for, what's the point of complaining about the company that let him do it?
Well, I am complaining about both Odyssey and Terry -- but I see it more like constructive criticism--because people get so hyped about any new product in the market that they often fail to see the details. and I'm doing it here cause that's what this forum is for. As I said before, if the frame's geo is any different than Ares, then is ok, but otherwise it is completely wrong--mostly because I know that Ody can do better than copying a frame from another company--and more so because this will be their first flatland frame, don't you think? so let's wait to know about the geo. maybe I'm missing something here
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Hi guys! Hopefully you'll give us a chance to get rolling with everything here before jumping toward too many negative conclusions.
Also, please note that the headtube on Terry' bike is not "shorter". It's a standard length with the integrated bearings exposed. There are also a quite few details that it make "unique", but the final frame has not even been delivered yet. We're still waiting for more prototypes. The shaved head tube was allowed for use on the Flatware frame with permission from Jim Cielencki and it has been proven many times over with the Sunday prototypes. This sort of HT allows for a smaller overall diameter (more Gyro clearance), and it's a little smoother when grabbing or straddling that area. We are personally opposed to bending or altering the top tube of the frame, and once that's been eliminated, then you're going to end up with something that starts to look rather "traditional" from a distance. Hopefully you'll be able to wait for the rest of the details.
If you're determined to see something that's dramatically different, then I'm sure you'll be pleased when you see Chase's frame!
Thanks for the interest and support.
Chris/Odyssey
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straight from the horse's mouth.
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does anyone know what the geo is going to be on that frame?
over 19"? i hope so.
This was on the odyssey page....
The frames current geometry is:
18.90″ TT
11.80″ BB Height
12.48″ Slammed Rear Length
75° Headtube
72° Seattube
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Hi guys! Hopefully you'll give us a chance to get rolling with everything here before jumping toward too many negative conclusions.
Also, please note that the headtube on Terry' bike is not "shorter". It's a standard length with the integrated bearings exposed. There are also a quite few details that it make "unique", but the final frame has not even been delivered yet. We're still waiting for more prototypes. The shaved head tube was allowed for use on the Flatware frame with permission from Jim Cielencki and it has been proven many times over with the Sunday prototypes. This sort of HT allows for a smaller overall diameter (more Gyro clearance), and it's a little smoother when grabbing or straddling that area. We are personally opposed to bending or altering the top tube of the frame, and once that's been eliminated, then you're going to end up with something that starts to look rather "traditional" from a distance. Hopefully you'll be able to wait for the rest of the details.
If you're determined to see something that's dramatically different, then I'm sure you'll be pleased when you see Chase's frame!
Thanks for the interest and support.
Chris/Odyssey
Its good to here things from the actual company. I saw a picture of a strange black frame chase was riding is that what your talking about.
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sorry for being a pain in the ass. but I don't understand the hype.
If you look at a line of parts with the name Odyssey in front of them, you have every reason to be hyped.
They are making some of the highest quality parts on the market right now and for all the bellyaching that goes on about KHE we should treat this as the second coming of Christ. We (FLATLAND) are getting serious attention from Odyssey right now and I'm all for it. I don't care if they copy the AY for a few reasons. First off, Ares frames are too expensive because of the limited availability and the high shipping costs. I know Scott isn't making a whole lot with Ares bykes America just because even at 550 for a Garuda, it's still short selling what should be more expensive because of cost+international shipping. Secondly, like I said, availability. Ares isn't going through Pat anymore, so everything that Ares does get in is super limited. Third Odyssey makes some of the nicest products on the market and I know their quality control is going to be 2nd to none. they also have an absolutely bomb warranty department that is more than willing to help out with getting people back on their feet.
What I don't think you realize is how innovative a simple line of flat products without a lot of bells and whistles really is. I'm psyched on that stem because it's a normal stem without ten different clamping systems, two bolts, and threads that strip out because of poor threading.
It's next to impossible to create a truly innovative parts right now without going down the ultra-lightweight route. What we need are a simple line of products that a company will stand behind and that riders will use because they arn't looking for a whole bunch of bells and whistles in the product line.
Besides, from what I know the frame is Terry's design, so why don't you complain about it to him instead of about odyssey? That sounds like I'm being rude but honestly if Terry designed and had complete creative control over the frame and that's the design that they went for, what's the point of complaining about the company that let him do it?
bang on! nuff said.
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Hi guys! Hopefully you'll give us a chance to get rolling with everything here before jumping toward too many negative conclusions.
Also, please note that the headtube on Terry' bike is not "shorter". It's a standard length with the integrated bearings exposed. There are also a quite few details that it make "unique", but the final frame has not even been delivered yet. We're still waiting for more prototypes. The shaved head tube was allowed for use on the Flatware frame with permission from Jim Cielencki and it has been proven many times over with the Sunday prototypes. This sort of HT allows for a smaller overall diameter (more Gyro clearance), and it's a little smoother when grabbing or straddling that area. We are personally opposed to bending or altering the top tube of the frame, and once that's been eliminated, then you're going to end up with something that starts to look rather "traditional" from a distance. Hopefully you'll be able to wait for the rest of the details.
If you're determined to see something that's dramatically different, then I'm sure you'll be pleased when you see Chase's frame!
Thanks for the interest and support.
Chris/Odyssey
I know how it will look like! But I'm not telling anyone here :wacko:
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As far as the headtube is concerned the only real contact point of a 45/45 campy style internal headset is the 45' angle that the bearings ride on,the rest is surplus material. It adds to the aesthetic but that's about it. So if the spacing between the bearings is the same the strength will also be, and if the headtube is the same length and the bearings are further apart, it would actually be stronger. The short headtubes put more stress on the headset itself. Plus tons of spacers just look bad.
brian
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haha that was cool. Odyssey you rock! Even since the later 80's... I always had good results with your products and I still look at my bike thinking wow there's a lot of odyssey parts on my bike. :beer:
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Mike Dood, does this mean you're running Odyssey Barefoot Tires? Maybe have the Leading Edge on the competition? hehe...At least you wouldn't be running AY Bombs sitting in the Skyway Hot Seat!
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Mike Dood, does this mean you're running Odyssey Barefoot Tires? Maybe have the Leading Edge on the competition? hehe...At least you wouldn't be running AY Bombs sitting in the Skyway Hot Seat!
lol barefoot tires.... I had a lot of Odyssey stuff I remember in 1988 though :) Then I look and I still do... :D
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Those grips look shoefriendly!!
Can i get them from somewhere?
Nice bike!!
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I don't understand you guys. I havn't seen an innovative looking frame since.... ever? They all look the same. the KGB connexion looks like the KHE equalibrium which looks like a quamen G8 which sort of resembles a london. The St martin diamond looks just like their class x which looks exactly like a paris which looks like a div with a lower top tube. The tao looked like the federal which looked a lot like the FBM equalibrium, and the S&M sabbath lite. The Ares frame looks exactly the same way it did like 8 years ago with the Ashura only lighter, and that looks just like a GT show with a straight top tube. The homecore looked like a quamen. Venusia like a show. The zion luna, the show.
Christ who cares how it looks as long as it rides well? The Chase bars look just like the Tony bars, but they both look like Phil dolan bars if you're more than 5 feet away.
Visually there isn't much left to do in flatland to make things look more unique. I mean f*ck, even the KHE Unique isn't that unique.
^word.
Flatlanders need to quit crying out for "innovation" and realize that it really only takes a basic double diamond design to get down. Flat companies keep pushing things in unnecessary directions because of all the clamoring for something "new"... and what happens? The stuff gets price dropped after 1 month when the hype dies down, leaving bike retailers reluctant to carry anything flat related. Damn... if there was ever a market that continually undermines its own growth, its flatland riders. Sh*t is tired already people.
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I don't understand you guys. I havn't seen an innovative looking frame since.... ever? They all look the same. the KGB connexion looks like the KHE equalibrium which looks like a quamen G8 which sort of resembles a london. The St martin diamond looks just like their class x which looks exactly like a paris which looks like a div with a lower top tube. The tao looked like the federal which looked a lot like the FBM equalibrium, and the S&M sabbath lite. The Ares frame looks exactly the same way it did like 8 years ago with the Ashura only lighter, and that looks just like a GT show with a straight top tube. The homecore looked like a quamen. Venusia like a show. The zion luna, the show.
Christ who cares how it looks as long as it rides well? The Chase bars look just like the Tony bars, but they both look like Phil dolan bars if you're more than 5 feet away.
Visually there isn't much left to do in flatland to make things look more unique. I mean f*ck, even the KHE Unique isn't that unique.
Amen! They all look the same. I HOPE that companies don't end up making some Frankenbike thing like the MCS Styler from way back in the day, just to be unique looking. Function please...
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but you are failing to realize that function doesn't sell, fashion does. ;D
if a company could mix both together without putting the consumer at risk of component failure, we could have a crazy, "pretzle-necta" style frame that wouldn't break. and it would sell.
anyone up for a tall glass of sarcasm?
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but you are failing to realize that function doesn't sell, fashion does. ;D
if a company could mix both together without putting the consumer at risk of component failure, we could have a crazy, "pretzle-necta" style frame that wouldn't break. and it would sell.
anyone up for a tall glass of sarcasm?
Hyper-consumerism everywhere...everyone has to have the latest, greatest...blah, blah, blah. If I get this frame for $400, I can save 2oz on my ride...only to have it snap in two a weak later!
Oh...off subject. Yeah, the new Flatware frame looks pretty sweet, and I love most of Odysseys stuff. Doesn't mean i'm going to run out and drop a bunch of money for it though.
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hyper-consumerism-correct!! and this dumb notion that i have to keep up with the jones's. i currently run a 2005 fly simple. won't replace it unless it breaks, although i have another frame in the radar to buy and build up as a second bike. my bike was considered a tank by, gulp, the austin crew. but it doesn't bother me, though. i don't feel the need to take any weight off that thing-it feels just right, at 23.3 pounds. in all curiosity, though, i wonder what the new odyssey frames are gonna cost. if they are similar to sunday's prices, that takes it to just under the $400 price point which may be a bit steep for a bunch of people. on the flip side, the terry prototype looks nice...
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I know how it will look like! But I'm not telling anyone here :wacko:
wow! you've seen the new frame?! you are so cool!
I wish I knew what it looked liked. Now Im sad cause you know and I don't.
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I don't want to overstep my 'bounds' as a newbie... but look at the success that HB has had with the strowler. Not everyone likes it, but they have 2 diff sized frames with the same basic geo. Along with the fact that it's built to withstand some abuse.
I don't know much, but I think that it's in odyssey's best interest to at least release 2 versions of this frame - one for the "standard" flatlanding market (i.e. short cs's, tt, etc), and another for the larger individuals (like me, haha).
I guess when it comes down to it, if they can cover those 2 demographics the frame would at least cater to a wider range of people.
Basically if the cs's are shorter than 13" i can't ride it, haha. Damn big feet!
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I'm guessing a lot of us wil see the chase frame in Toronto in a few weeks!!!
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look at the success that HB has had with the strowler.
Given that the frame has been at clearance price everywhere, forever, I'm not thinking it's been much of a "success". I bought one though. :)
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look at the success that HB has had with the strowler.
Given that the frame has been at clearance price everywhere, forever, I'm not thinking it's been much of a "success". I bought one though. :)
I guess, but they also released the same exact design this year, and from the word on here I don't see many complaints about it... but you're right, the discounted price does say something. I still think, though, that they are going in the right direction by releasing the 2 variations/versions/whatever you want to say...
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does anyone know what the geo is going to be on that frame?
over 19"? i hope so.
This was on the odyssey page....
The frames current geometry is:
18.90″ TT
11.80″ BB Height
12.48″ Slammed Rear Length
75° Headtube
72° Seattube
f*ck the 12.48 rear end. this is ridiculous!!! why limit back wheel tricks and force you to run shorter cranks?
and by the way, those measures are the exact same as the batch of ay frames that came in 18.90-- I knew it!! same everything
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look at the success that HB has had with the strowler.
Given that the frame has been at clearance price everywhere, forever, I'm not thinking it's been much of a "success". I bought one though. :)
I just got one too! I love it...it's built to last. I think the price cuts are because it's not fashionable to ride a tank anymore. It does weigh a lot. I think it's perfect for me. I'm not afraid to jump it, wall-ride it, or grind it. If K Jones had most of his hand in it, I would think he would design a good all around frame. K Jones was a "rider" first...flatlander second, though everyone remembers him for flat. Also, Hoffman has been known to keep their prices down.
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K Jones was is a "rider" first...flatlander second, though everyone remembers him for flat.
fixed that for you :)
I think the frame is great, I was only commenting that it doesn't seem to have been a great "success" sales-wise. And I had some heavier parts and back brakes on my last bike, so this one doesn't feel heavy at all to me.
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SOME PEOPLE LIKE HEAVY BIKES
AND IT WONT BOTHER THEM BUT SOME DONT
IM ONE OF THOSE LIGHT PARTS AND BIKE GUYS
OFCOURSE IM ALMOST 50 YEARS OLD SO GO FIGURE!
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I wan't some one too come out with a 150-200$ flat frame with 50$ forks and 30$ bars
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does anyone know what the geo is going to be on that frame?
over 19"? i hope so.
This was on the odyssey page....
The frames current geometry is:
18.90″ TT
11.80″ BB Height
12.48″ Slammed Rear Length
75° Headtube
72° Seattube
f*ck the 12.48 rear end. this is ridiculous!!! why limit back wheel tricks and force you to run shorter cranks?
and by the way, those measures are the exact same as the batch of ay frames that came in 18.90-- I knew it!! same everything
I am not going to take sides here ..... but
Does anyone remember when chase put his name to the reissue rl tire, but it wasnt going to
be available in 1.75" ? (only 1.85") and as soon as odyssey took the risk and did the 1.75"
they saw the return.
I tell you what, if odyssey is reading this.
19.4" TT //// 13.5" CS
Make this and I guarantee you at least 1 sale.
I know its only 1, but if you double check what allot of the underbelly is looking for you may
see that its times are changing again.
Like odyssey designs, please try and take a step in a forward mannerism in terms of marketing direction.
Rather than just following the mainstream of yesterday.
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look at the success that HB has had with the strowler.
Given that the frame has been at clearance price everywhere, forever, I'm not thinking it's been much of a "success". I bought one though. :)
I just got one too! I love it...it's built to last. I think the price cuts are because it's not fashionable to ride a tank anymore. It does weigh a lot. I think it's perfect for me. I'm not afraid to jump it, wall-ride it, or grind it. If K Jones had most of his hand in it, I would think he would design a good all around frame. K Jones was a "rider" first...flatlander second, though everyone remembers him for flat. Also, Hoffman has been known to keep their prices down.
its really not THAT heavy tho. :mellow:
slap some light parts on it and u have a lightweight BUILT TO LAST rig. ;)
i LOVE my Strowler! im thinking of getting another one just to have on hand in the case something eventually happens to my current one. soon as i can afford anything, thats the plan. its just that good! :beer:
depending on what Chases frame geometry is like, ill probably want one of those too. cuz knowing Chase, and knowing Odyssey, that frame too will be built to last.
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K Jones was is a "rider" first...flatlander second, though everyone remembers him for flat.
fixed that for you :)
I think the frame is great, I was only commenting that it doesn't seem to have been a great "success" sales-wise. And I had some heavier parts and back brakes on my last bike, so this one doesn't feel heavy at all to me.
Thanks for fixin' that for me. I'm obsessed with the Dorkin box set right now. Not trying to live in the past, but those DVDs are timeless.
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I tell you what, if odyssey is reading this.
19.4" TT //// 13.5" CS
Make this and I guarantee you at least 1 sale.
I know its only 1, but if you double check what allot of the underbelly is looking for you may
see that its times are changing again.
Like odyssey designs, please try and take a step in a forward mannerism in terms of marketing direction.
Rather than just following the mainstream of yesterday.
This is ridiculous. If they made that frame only a small handful of riders would buy it. They could release it as a second option, but having that be it is kind of ridiculous.
The mainstream is the 18.8 top tube length that's been the standard since as long as I can remember. Not many people ride 19" or above.
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I tell you what, if odyssey is reading this.
19.4" TT //// 13.5" CS
Make this and I guarantee you at least 1 sale.
I know its only 1, but if you double check what allot of the underbelly is looking for you may
see that its times are changing again.
Like odyssey designs, please try and take a step in a forward mannerism in terms of marketing direction.
Rather than just following the mainstream of yesterday.
This is ridiculous. If they made that frame only a small handful of riders would buy it. They could release it as a second option, but having that be it is kind of ridiculous.
The mainstream is the 18.8 top tube length that's been the standard since as long as I can remember. Not many people ride 19" or above.
Actually you are wrong about this.
how big do you think a 18.9" TT would be if it had a 69 or 70 SA?
Its all about manipulation of marketing.
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Mike Dood, does this mean you're running Odyssey Barefoot Tires? Maybe have the Leading Edge on the competition? hehe...At least you wouldn't be running AY Bombs sitting in the Skyway Hot Seat!
lol barefoot tires.... I had a lot of Odyssey stuff I remember in 1988 though :) Then I look and I still do... :D
odyssey sucked sooooo bad until Chris C came in.