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English => Flatland Media => Topic started by: Fat Tony on June 01, 2008, 07:05:41 PM
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On ridebmx.com
Final Battle Video - http://www.ridebmx.com/video.jsp?ID=1000005882&type=video
Photo Gallery - http://www.ridebmx.com/gallery.jsp?ID=1000021987
Full Results - http://www.ridebmx.com/article.jsp?ID=1000061088&type=news
I'll have a video with highlights from the finals posted later in the week.
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PS: Whoever said they'd give $20 to the person with the best photo from the comp in 48hrs... I think you owe me some money. :mellow:
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matt is killin!
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Seriously how did Matt get 2nd!!!??!?!?!
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Seriously how did Matt get 2nd!!!??!?!?!
He got 2nd because I and 4 others decided that he didn't ride well enough to get first.
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from what i saw thats a crazy decision!
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from what i saw thats a crazy decision!
From what I saw (from the judges table) Uchi rode better. I'm not going to defend my decision. It wasn't just me, it was 4 out of 5 judges that made the decision.
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flatland is about innovation, and the stuff Uchie brought into the contest was not only really innovative, but also extremely difficult. Matt's routines where really really difficult, but he's been practicing those tricks now for years-in fact, little change from his routine last year at Voodo. besides, Matt's made a few mistakes in the first two rounds, whereas Uchie's first rounds where faultless. the opposite happened at the end, but it is precisely at the beginning when riders make the most impression.
I think it was a though decision but innovation wise, I agree with the results.
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well....
I dig matt, but can see how Uchi won! Nice to see a different face at the top!
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I think the judging system was great, the only decision that shocked me was a all 5 judges voting that Matt Wilhelm beat Dominik...I think that should have been a lot closer, other then that, I think the judging was fair and well done, so many tough decisions, anyone who complains about judging needs to realize its so hard not to be biased in this situation thinking you see riders fall but you've seen them do the tricks before, its gotta be hard to seperate yourself from footage you've seen before, and riders you like more...And all that jazz.
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I kept commenting to "whoever" was next to me all throughout the contest that I would not want to be sitting at the judges' table. Voodoo Jam 2008 was completely insane and IMO the riding was on a whole other level from previous years. Actually being there was a whole lot different than watching this video. I thought that the final could have easily gone either way. Uuchi and Matt were both killing it, but I don't think that ANYONE was expecting to see the combos that Uuchi brought to Voodoo Jam 2008. Great job by everyone (judges included) and mad props to Dominik for throwing down some of the most completely insane sh*t of the contest.
Thanks to ALL who were involved and I hope to be there and see you all again next year! :beer:
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----Cool to see the end battle, thanks. ;D
jffe
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i saw you talking to that guy quite a bit at the comp. i know of him and he's pretty much a moody phuckker.
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from what i saw thats a crazy decision!
From what I saw (from the judges table) Uchi rode better. I'm not going to defend my decision. It wasn't just me, it was 4 out of 5 judges that made the decision.
just curious TJ, who sat at the jury table? did Chad compete?
also, maybe you know, but why didn't Viky come?
I would have really liked to see him, and Waldmar too
I really hope I can make it to Voodo next year.
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It was Bobby Carter, Gabe Kadmiri, Jody Temple, myself, and a gentlemen whose name escapes me because I learned like fifty names this weekend and I'm bad with names I'm sorry :(
Certainly wasn't a few people picked from the crowd.
Dominic was definitely insane. I was dogging on him because he never landed anything in practice.... because his links went on forever and ever. Honestly, he was going for 2 minute long links and not riding out. filming that is very, very, frustrating. He's also an INCREDIBLY nice guy and I cannot wait to go out drinking with him again.
<3
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bah, apple quicktime, illwait for someone to youtube it
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The riding I saw was insane.
I just wish Flatland would nix the 'emcee' position once and for all.
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Ucchi didn't even get on the front wheel :rolleyes:
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Ucchi didn't even get on the front wheel :rolleyes:
He didn't have to. His back wheel runs were packed with NEW links and they(links) were very diverse. On the flip side there were a lot of riders that never got on the back wheel. I have to give him props for being sooooo creative. There are limitless positions and variations that can be accessed on the front end, but it is just you and the rear wheel at the back of the bike and the fact that EVERYTHING that he did was TOTALLY original and new said a lot IMO. Anyone who has seen him ride the front wheel knows that he can absolutely kill it, but he made the decision to come out and ONLY bring new stuff to the table. That would be like Matt W. coming out and not doing any of his spinning combos for the entire comp. I don't think that ANYONE expected to see what they saw from Uuchi. Props
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I would love for someone to post a video of the Ucchie vs. Miller battle. That was the best battle of the whole contest--both riders hit about everything, and the decision could have gone either way.
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I would love for someone to post a video of the Ucchie vs. Miller battle. That was the best battle of the whole contest--both riders hit about everything, and the decision could have gone either way.
That was an awesome battle. My favorite battle(s) were ALL of them that Dominik Nelkony was a part of. That guy has mad skillz.
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Yep, Dominik was awesome.
I videotaped the first four battles, then my video camera's battery died. It was all good though because I had been filming all day--but I definitely didn't get Ucchie and Dominick's very best stuff.
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I will look for that section for you. Where were you sitting?
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I was downstairs all day long, and then upstairs for the Finals. I will put a highlights video on Youtube at some point, unless everyone else gets to it first :)
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anybody know what bars dandois rides?
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The Battle you wanted is now on BMX Freestyler.
Sorry we didnt get a chance to meet in person. I was downstairs all day too.
Keep on Riding!
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This was the 3rd. Voodoo Jam I've judged, and believe me they haven't gotten any easier! Thanks for calling me a Gentleman TJ! It was a pleasure judging with all y'all!
Peace,
Oscar G.
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uuchie got some sweet backwheel flow, anyone got any shintaro footage?
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The Battle you wanted is now on BMX Freestyler.
Sorry we didnt get a chance to meet in person. I was downstairs all day too.
Keep on Riding!
Thanks!! (I'll try to thank you in person next time :) I hope everyone who couldn't make it to the contest checks out this video, that battle was sooo exciting.
uuchie got some sweet backwheel flow, anyone got any shintaro footage?
I have his third place qualifying run which was near perfect as I remember...it just may take me a little while to get it posted, someone else may get to it first :)
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The riding I saw was insane.
I just wish Flatland would nix the 'emcee' position once and for all.
Why? So the non-riding crowd can be bored after 5 minutes and leave? Flatland doesn't get much more than a golf clap without someone to hype the crowd, and Scott does a great job at it.
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFxkvFDZYQA[/youtube]
Video is always grainy on you tube but I know not everyone can view wmv. So here ya go!!
More stuff rendering as I type this.
Keep on Riding!
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Why? So the non-riding crowd can be bored after 5 minutes and leave? Flatland doesn't get much more than a golf clap without someone to hype the crowd, and Scott does a great job at it.
If they're staying for the emcee and not the riding, that's a problem anyway. I just think it's ridiculous frankly. Always have -- 'oh yeah!!' -- I mean come on already. Scott's great at what he does, but what he does is unnecessary. I can think of zero other sports/ competitions that use an emcee. All it does is distract from the riding IMHO. I'm not looking to start a flame war, just expressing an opinion. Not a dig on Scott O at all -- at all. Every time I show my girlfriend or siblings one of these clips, they roll their eyes at the stupidity of someone with a mic chasing around world class level riders in the middle of a competition.
Let the riding speak for itself already.
If you disagree, we agree to disagree. :beer:
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I like the spiderman to front roll the MC did that was one of my favorite links ^_^
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Why? So the non-riding crowd can be bored after 5 minutes and leave? Flatland doesn't get much more than a golf clap without someone to hype the crowd, and Scott does a great job at it.
If they're staying for the emcee and not the riding, that's a problem anyway. I just think it's ridiculous frankly. Always have -- 'oh yeah!!' -- I mean come on already. Scott's great at what he does, but what he does is unnecessary. I can think of zero other sports/ competitions that use an emcee. All it does is distract from the riding IMHO. I'm not looking to start a flame war, just expressing an opinion. Not a dig on Scott O at all -- at all. Every time I show my girlfriend or siblings one of these clips, they roll their eyes at the stupidity of someone with a mic chasing around world class level riders in the middle of a competition.
Let the riding speak for itself already.
If you disagree, we agree to disagree. :beer:
Its all Entertainment
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a Wu Tang Clan song had a line that said "a jam without a live m.c. isn't enough". take it to heart.
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If they're staying for the emcee and not the riding, that's a problem anyway. I just think it's ridiculous frankly. Always have -- 'oh yeah!!' -- I mean come on already. Scott's great at what he does, but what he does is unnecessary. I can think of zero other sports/ competitions that use an emcee. All it does is distract from the riding IMHO. I'm not looking to start a flame war, just expressing an opinion. Not a dig on Scott O at all -- at all. Every time I show my girlfriend or siblings one of these clips, they roll their eyes at the stupidity of someone with a mic chasing around world class level riders in the middle of a competition.
Let the riding speak for itself already.
If you disagree, we agree to disagree. :beer:
I'm sorry but you are an idiot.
Scott orchestrated the whole contest, which BY FAR was the best contest I have ever seen. The level of hype that the crowds were at was just un-f*cking-believable. He got them SOOOO worked up over what was going on. If you are not there, I don't even want to hear what you like or didn't like about the contest because you. were. not. there.
It was honestly, the best flatland experience of my life and I wasn't even riding/competing.
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If they're staying for the emcee and not the riding, that's a problem anyway. I just think it's ridiculous frankly. Always have -- 'oh yeah!!' -- I mean come on already. Scott's great at what he does, but what he does is unnecessary. I can think of zero other sports/ competitions that use an emcee. All it does is distract from the riding IMHO. I'm not looking to start a flame war, just expressing an opinion. Not a dig on Scott O at all -- at all. Every time I show my girlfriend or siblings one of these clips, they roll their eyes at the stupidity of someone with a mic chasing around world class level riders in the middle of a competition.
Let the riding speak for itself already.
If you disagree, we agree to disagree. :beer:
I'm sorry but you are an idiot.
Scott orchestrated the whole contest, which BY FAR was the best contest I have ever seen. The level of hype that the crowds were at was just un-f*cking-believable. He got them SOOOO worked up over what was going on. If you are not there, I don't even want to hear what you like or didn't like about the contest because you. were. not. there.
It was honestly, the best flatland experience of my life and I wasn't even riding/competing.
+1 with TJ. The riding was great on it's own, but Scott O. made the entire contest that much better IMO. Completely amazing experience.
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If they're staying for the emcee and not the riding, that's a problem anyway. I just think it's ridiculous frankly. Always have -- 'oh yeah!!' -- I mean come on already. Scott's great at what he does, but what he does is unnecessary. I can think of zero other sports/ competitions that use an emcee. All it does is distract from the riding IMHO. I'm not looking to start a flame war, just expressing an opinion. Not a dig on Scott O at all -- at all. Every time I show my girlfriend or siblings one of these clips, they roll their eyes at the stupidity of someone with a mic chasing around world class level riders in the middle of a competition.
Let the riding speak for itself already.
If you disagree, we agree to disagree. :beer:
I'm sorry but you are an idiot.
Scott orchestrated the whole contest, which BY FAR was the best contest I have ever seen. The level of hype that the crowds were at was just un-f*cking-believable. He got them SOOOO worked up over what was going on. If you are not there, I don't even want to hear what you like or didn't like about the contest because you. were. not. there.
It was honestly, the best flatland experience of my life and I wasn't even riding/competing.
Thanks TJ.
But this always seems to happen. I dont like raw footage from Voodoo Jam either and I never have. It sucks and people just can't get a feel for it.
Voodoo Jam is not an event for this type of presentation its made and created for LIVE audience participation, not for douche bags that stay at home and watch videos.
Kinda funny because since you think its not so good then why are all the contest asking me to MC every year. I have been all over the world because people like what I do.
You can have your opinion but I really think its unfair for you to come on here and base it on some crap raw video. You have to FEEL the event to understand it.
Oh by the way, dont watch a video of the BMX Masters from Germany because I am the Emcee for that as well. They are flying me there because I suck so much. ;D
Thanks
Scott
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I love the internet.
I never said anybody sucked.
Scott's great at what he does, but what he does is unnecessary. I can think of zero other sports/ competitions that use an emcee. All it does is distract from the riding IMHO. Not a dig on Scott O at all -- at all.
If you disagree, we agree to disagree. :beer:
I guess this was vague and unclear.
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that was an intense battle.
i liked justin millers last link.
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I think the emcee position is a great part of the contest. Instead of standing up top and just discussing the links pulled with huffman, isaiah, and frenchy, we all got really into it yelling and cheering. When Ucchie first pulled his crazy behind the back thing we all went nuts. In part to Scott O goin crazy with us.
It just makes you feel more a part of what is happening, and not so much a spectating bystander. I agree also that raw video in no way represents the real feeling of what happend. It is unfair to judge anything about the contest, even if you feel that you wouldn't have liked one particular aspect, unless you attended and saw how everything worked together to create such an amazing atmosphere.
Seriously everyone should come next year, I'm so hyped to keep riding after meeting all the riders and watching. You have a year to save up a couple hundred bucks, ask off of work, meet up with some riders to come down with, and attend an amazing event.
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I think the emcee position is a great part of the contest. Instead of standing up top and just discussing the links pulled with huffman, isaiah, and frenchy, we all got really into it yelling and cheering. When Ucchie first pulled his crazy behind the back thing we all went nuts. In part to Scott O goin crazy with us.
It just makes you feel more a part of what is happening, and not so much a spectating bystander. I agree also that raw video in no way represents the real feeling of what happend. It is unfair to judge anything about the contest, even if you feel that you wouldn't have liked one particular aspect, unless you attended and saw how everything worked together to create such an amazing atmosphere.
Seriously everyone should come next year, I'm so hyped to keep riding after meeting all the riders and watching. You have a year to save up a couple hundred bucks, ask off of work, meet up with some riders to come down with, and attend an amazing event.
ok I don't mean to hurt anyones feelings here but yes, precisely from the outside the whole emcee thing makes the contest look like a circus show, not like a serious sport. the same does rap music. I understand that without these two elements voodo jam and other comps will be nothing--no hype. but then you must ask if in order for a flatland contest to be successful you need this elements.
I really wish that one day flatland becomes an olympic sport, but I doubt people will ever take the sport seriously if you can detach it from these things that usually people outside the flatland scene don't like.
and again, not trying to be an ass.
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ok I don't mean to hurt anyones feelings here but yes, precisely from the outside the whole emcee thing makes the contest look like a circus show, not like a serious sport. the same does rap music. I understand that without these two elements voodo jam and other comps will be nothing--no hype. but then you must ask if in order for a flatland contest to be successful you need this elements.
I really wish that one day flatland becomes an olympic sport, but I doubt people will ever take the sport seriously if you can detach it from these things that usually people outside the flatland scene don't like.
and again, not trying to be an ass.
I agree.
But be careful, not conforming will get you called names. Even in a community that supposedly lauds individuality and personal forms of expression. Gotta love it.
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I still can't get over Ucchie's riding. Absolutely murdering that back wheel.
That level of riding would of hype the crowd regardless anyways!
Millers run was blazing with plenty of bangers, man I Can't wait to see Domink Nekony battle & the others.
Thanks raddad for sharing!
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Actually I really appreciate Scott O's MC5 Style of "Kick out the Jams mutherf*ckers" stance, ITS A COMP! You need a master of ceremonies with big personality. To put on an event and MC it too, not easy. The fact he is able to do all is great, not every event organizer has all the skills.
If anything Ucchies name is engraved in my mind, and it should be, that guy rode incredible.
You can feel the vibe and intensity in all the Vids, so seeing this live must be awesome! :ph34r:
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I still can't get over Ucchie's riding. Absolutely murdering that back wheel.
That level of riding would of hype the crowd regardless anyways!
Millers run was blazing with plenty of bangers, man I Can't wait to see Domink Nekony battle & the others.
Thanks raddad for sharing!
yes I want to see footage of dominik also, I don't quiet get what happened to Hiro. he has some of the purest styles in my opinion
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I still can't get over Ucchie's riding. Absolutely murdering that back wheel.
That level of riding would of hype the crowd regardless anyways!
Millers run was blazing with plenty of bangers, man I Can't wait to see Domink Nekony battle & the others.
Thanks raddad for sharing!
yes I want to see footage of dominik also, I don't quiet get what happened to Hiro. he has some of the purest styles in my opinion
Hiro just couldn't quite keep it together. His style is so unbelievably hard/technical/fast that it was sort of hit and miss. There is a whole lot of stuff going on in his links. York was unbelievably consistent and he was traveling at warp speed as usual. York getting knocked out of the comp by Matthias was the only decision by the judges that I whole heartedly disagreed with. I don't think that Matthias pulled a single link in his 3rd run against York and York was pretty much flawless throughout all 3 runs. Oh well.
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Scott as MC is gold. Plus it's his contest. He has the right to do it any way he wants. By the immense turnout and ridiculous level of riding, it worked. so....
1. If you were there, I'd be very surprised at any critisism of his involvement on the mic.
2. If having an emcee at a flatland competition is boring/unprofessional/distracting, please do something positive like throwing your own silent contest; as opposed to bitching about videos on the internet.
3. Scott adds something that can't be removed without wrecking Voodoo Jam. I love his style. Weather or not it translates well on a Youtube vid is a fair question, but live, it's totally on point.
4. Virtually all televised sports have "commentators". When you watch sports on TV, you hear them. I don't see any difference really, aside from being produced with more money.
5. Ride on! ;D :beer:
<<edit>> crap, almost forgot; thanks Fat!
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you must ask if in order for a flatland contest to be successful you need this elements.
Obviously flatland contests do need this element, otherwise the spectator turnout would be piss poor. How many other flatland comps can boast of the fact that they have twice as many non-riding spectators compared to those who actively participate in flatland?
I love the internet.
I never said anybody sucked.
Scott's great at what he does, but what he does is unnecessary. I can think of zero other sports/ competitions that use an emcee. All it does is distract from the riding IMHO. Not a dig on Scott O at all -- at all.
If you disagree, we agree to disagree. :beer:
I guess this was vague and unclear.
Oh, shut the hell up. Your original statement was so full of contradictions it made my head spin. You think it's ridiculous to yell out things to get the crowed hyped, people you know roll their eyes at seeing someone jump off of a stage, etc. etc. How many other emcees do this at flatland contests? Scott is the only one I can think of. Oh, but it's not a bash on Scott; not at all. It's a bash on emcees who do this; all one of them.
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Contest are supposed to be fun. You get to go somewhere with a bunch of other bike riders ,some you may know some you don't. You get to have FUN riding with people . A reason to get out of town . Stop focussing on what you may want or think . Just be glad you have something to go to . It takes allot of time and planning to put on a contest , then to have other flatlanders bash and criticize what you did or didn't do . Is a little disheartening . Just be thankful he does anything .
Keep up the hard work Scott
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Contest are supposed to be fun. You get to go somewhere with a bunch of other bike riders ,some you may know some you don't. You get to have FUN riding with people . A reason to get out of town . Stop focussing on what you may want or think . Just be glad you have something to go to . It takes allot of time and planning to put on a contest , then to have other flatlanders bash and criticize what you did or didn't do . Is a little disheartening . Just be thankful he does anything .
Keep up the hard work Scott
Yeah I second that. Scott's a smart guy and he knows exactly who he's dealing with on this forum. Half of us are on the level and the other half are babies with sore vaginas. I personally think if your gonna bash people who support this sport you need to be banned from here. Opinion's one thing but hatin on flat is unacceptable. There is a difference.
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Yep, Scott's the only emcee in the last 20+ years of Flatland comps. Thanks for clarifying Jowee.
I don't like the idea of using emcees -- never have. Sorry if that bothers you.
I never bashed Scott's work as a promoter for putting this together. More power, it was obviously a raging success.
I just don't dig on emcees and find the whole thing ridiculous. If that's upsetting to some of you, tough.
It's amazing how hypersensitive this group is and how you can't tolerate even the slightest bit of criticism. Makes you wonder why BMX racing becomes a medal sport this year at the Olympics while Flatland's biggest US event (as great as it is) is in a nightclub.
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Yep, Scott's the only emcee in the last 20+ years of Flatland comps. Thanks for clarifying Jowee.
I don't like the idea of using emcees -- never have. Sorry if that bothers you.
I never bashed Scott's work as a promoter for putting this together. More power, it was obviously a raging success.
I just don't dig on emcees and find the whole thing ridiculous. If that's upsetting to some of you, tough.
It's amazing how hypersensitive this group is and how you can't tolerate even the slightest bit of criticism. Makes you wonder why BMX racing becomes a medal sport this year at the Olympics while Flatland's biggest US event (as great as it is) is in a nightclub.
The last MC in the last 20 years? Well, if we're going to stay on the subject of what you hate (jumping from the stage, sliding on the floor, shouting to the crowd, and so on) then yeah. He's the only MC to ever get the crowed as hyped as they do in the last two decades.
No, we don't tolerate much criticism to our biggest event, one that promotes flatland, has the largest turnout in the Western Hemisphere, brings in riders from across the globe, and is enjoyed by everyone. I personally don't tolerate such criticism from someone who wasn't even there. What's more, the reason Voodoo is so great is because of the announcing.
There's no wonder as to why BMX racing is in the Olympics. It's a sport with a defined set of rules, a nationally recognized governing body, and a clear system of judging, while flatland is not.
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I just don't dig on emcees and find the whole thing ridiculous. If that's upsetting to some of you, tough.
Keep your dumb @ss opinions to yourself Brickhead! You have no right to critize someone who has helped keep our sport alive around the world and has done an excellent job of it.
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3kkXcFgVDc[/youtube]
Here is Tyler's Qualifying and Final Runs.
Some riding from Domink is up now on BMX Freestyler.
Keep on Riding!!
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1BQqtmwGh0[/youtube]
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Fat!
I was the one who put up the $20- (kinda a mini-promo for Flat Clothing: now on ebay)
Looks like it's yours kiddo, congrats!
Send me a private message on where to send it.
Thanks for all your great work bro-
Peace,
Chris
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The last MC in the last 20 years? Well, if we're going to stay on the subject of what you hate (jumping from the stage, sliding on the floor, shouting to the crowd, and so on) then yeah. He's the only MC to ever get the crowed as hyped as they do in the last two decades.
No, we don't tolerate much criticism to our biggest event, one that promotes flatland, has the largest turnout in the Western Hemisphere, brings in riders from across the globe, and is enjoyed by everyone. I personally don't tolerate such criticism from someone who wasn't even there. What's more, the reason Voodoo is so great is because of the announcing.
There's no wonder as to why BMX racing is in the Olympics. It's a sport with a defined set of rules, a nationally recognized governing body, and a clear system of judging, while flatland is not.
Fair enough -- it's seems quite clear you're unable to discus the topic of 'emcees' without launching into a needless defense of Scott's skills as 'Voodoo Jam comp organizer and promoter' -- which nobody is questioning or has 'bashed.' Hats off, none of that is easy, and I applaud all who were involved in putting together the event.
Like I said initially, we can simply agree to disagree on the topic of 'emcees'. Sorry to have upset you.
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I'd like to know how you'd want an event run in terms of announcing for a flatland event. People just go out, and ride, then come in and the next guy goes out? Uhhh.... :huh:
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What's wrong with that? Introduce/announce each rider in between runs.
Works in live figure skating, gymnastics, tennis, golf, football, baseball, basketball, even pro-wrestling.
There's no 'hyping the crowd' in these sports with an emcee that I'm aware. Sure, there is commentary on television -- but that's another discussion.
The hyping of the crowd is done by the athletes in those sports.
So I guess it depends on how Flatland events are framed and promoted -- as a sporting event or as, whatever it is.
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What's wrong with that? Introduce/announce each rider in between runs.
Works in live figure skating, gymnastics, tennis, golf, football, baseball, basketball, even pro-wrestling.
There's no 'hyping the crowd' in these sports with an emcee that I'm aware. Sure, there is commentary on television -- but that's another discussion.
The hyping of the crowd is done by the athletes in those sports.
So I guess it depends on how Flatland events are framed and promoted -- as a sporting event or as, whatever it is.
You are correct, BUT when was the last time that you saw a crowd at a golf tournament, figure skating event, or a tennis match truly get "hype". LOL I don't think that Scott is so much trying to hype up the crowd as the fact that he is getting hyped up himself. I like everyone else was already hype from the riding, but it was a lot of fun watching Scott O. lose his mind. LOL Hell, if I would have had room I probably would have slid across the floor as well. LOL Pay attention to the crowd in the video, we were already going crazy before Scott jumped off of the stage or slid across the floor. Also, like everyone else is saying, you weren't there so it is impossible for you to appreciate the experience for what is was, which was HYPE! These videos are great, but unlike being there in person I am not finding myself screaming "YEAHHHHH" at the top of my lungs uncontrollably after each bomb trick or link. We all have our own opinions about most everything, but that doesn't always mean that we have to express them.
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i just thought about how pivotal this VooDoo Jam actually was. while i was watching the vid of Dominik courtesy of BMX Freestyler, it dawned on me. No Terry, Effraim in the finals, Matthias seemed totally out of his zone-not pulling his finals runs, and having the intense, mind blowing styles of Ucchie and Dominik. this made me think, is the playing field evening out to the fact that a MORE diverse group of styles are blowing this sport UP!!!! this past weekend was my first contest since 1994 at Hoffman's place in OKC and my first VooDoo Jam. and i entered and placed third in am. beg. class. can you say totally psyched!!!! and this has even put MORE spark under my ass to keep pushing myself to learn and have fun doing it. to my friends-we WILL ride again soon!
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about the emceeing- the flatland world is a bit different and the riders are a different breed. performing at the pro level it seems the riders are almost expected to ride while the crowd is going nuts- it shows the complete concentration required to not be affected by the surroundings. sometimes when the crowd gets loud and hyped up by the emcee, the rider tries more difficult tricks or a new combo they have been working on because the electricity is in the air. they are pumped to do a new link bomb cuz the crowd is into what they are doing. if anyone wants to do a contest in front of a bunch of people who had frontal lobotomies, you probably won't see me. i'm the guy who loses his voice when the pros hit their hardest bombs.
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Fair enough -- it's seems quite clear you're unable to discus the topic of 'emcees' without launching into a needless defense of Scott's skills as 'Voodoo Jam comp organizer and promoter' -- which nobody is questioning or has 'bashed.'
What the f*ck are you talking about? I have yet to bring up Scott's skill as a promoter and organizer.
I have an idea; let's get rid of the DJ's. They take away from the riding, and it will make it more like a sporting event (right?).
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What the f*ck are you talking about? I have yet to bring up Scott's skill as a promoter and organizer.
No, we don't tolerate much criticism to our biggest event, one that promotes flatland, has the largest turnout in the Western Hemisphere, brings in riders from across the globe, and is enjoyed by everyone.
Since Scott apparently organized and put the event together, I took the above to be a defense of his skills in that regard. If that's not what you meant, I misunderstood you.
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First off...Get off Scott 0's nutts..seriously...to booku fo ya...and second, f*ck the win..IC nothin but flatland VOOOOODOOOO bein skeeted off up in there... Getcha heads right "boiiiiiiiiie"
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This just end....There will be NO Voodoo Jam in 2009
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This just end....There will be NO Voodoo Jam in 2009
;D...you can't please everyone. Usually its one not all...and in this case done deal not in attendance. Sorry Brickhead, as a organization(ASC) that promotes and puts on events, every event style is different, so keep that in mind, and what they have at the Voodoo Jam seems to be working excellent and is unique and very representative of their region. If one has ever been to a Voodoo Ritual, its never silent and that's a good thing.
Riders and events promoters tend to be eccentric, to have diversity is important and makes it all more interesting...SCREEEAMMMMMM...N
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Hey Mark,
Add this to the end of the url for the vids you put on youtube.
It increases the resolution!
&fmt=18
see.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFxkvFDZYQA&eurl=http://www.global-flat.com/smf/index.php?topic=13927.30&fmt=18
Great job, the contest looked like a blast. I saw more new tricks at this contest than ever.
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All I ever said was I don't care for the emcee role during flat comps.
I never condemned Scott or Voodoo Jam -- just the opposite.
Oh well -- Flatland thrives on drama anyway, so I hope some of you enjoyed this back and forth. From now on I'll be sure that the opinions I express are shared by everyone before I post -- gasp! -- an unpopular one.
cheers
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From now on I'll be sure that the opinions I express are shared by everyone before I post -- gasp! -- an unpopular one.
cheers
Took you long enough to figure it out, christ.
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:lol:
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I just don't think that you really understand any of what you want to get rid of unless you are at a contest like Voodoo. if you go and feel the same way then sure, you're entitled to that I suppose. But if you havn't gone, and havn't seen what that's like in person, then no. Shut up.
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I just don't think that you really understand any of what you want to get rid of unless you are at a contest like Voodoo. if you go and feel the same way then sure, you're entitled to that I suppose. But if you havn't gone, and havn't seen what that's like in person, then no. Shut up.
I guess we can't have opinions of anything in the world unless we experience it. Sound logic.
What's your opinion of war? I think it sucks, yet I haven't 'experienced it.'
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I just don't think that you really understand any of what you want to get rid of unless you are at a contest like Voodoo. if you go and feel the same way then sure, you're entitled to that I suppose. But if you havn't gone, and havn't seen what that's like in person, then no. Shut up.
I guess we can't have opinions of anything in the world unless we experience it. Sound logic.
What's your opinion of war? I think it sucks, yet I haven't 'experienced it.'
Voodoo is meant to be experienced first hand. If you don't go, then you don't really know what it's all about, and therefor your opinion is void. You didn't see the MC live, so you can't comment on it. It's like listening to a Bill Cosby album; it isn't as funny unless you can see the faces he makes.
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Voodoo is meant to be experienced first hand. If you don't go, then you don't really know what it's all about, and therefor your opinion is void. You didn't see the MC live, so you can't comment on it. It's like listening to a Bill Cosby album; it isn't as funny unless you can see the faces he makes.
Yes, that was TJ's argument. It's a fallacious one. Basically it prevents anyone from having an opinion on anything unless they've experienced it directly. That's absurd. Surely we all have opinions on things we haven't experienced directly.
We just disagree on using emcees in Flat comps -- be it Voodoo or elsewhere -- why it's so hard for some of you to do, I don't understand. But, there it is.
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Voodoo is meant to be experienced first hand. If you don't go, then you don't really know what it's all about, and therefor your opinion is void. You didn't see the MC live, so you can't comment on it. It's like listening to a Bill Cosby album; it isn't as funny unless you can see the faces he makes.
Yes, that was TJ's argument. It's a fallacious one. Basically it prevents anyone from having an opinion on anything unless they've experienced it directly. That's absurd. Surely we all have opinions on things we haven't experienced directly.
We just disagree on using emcees in Flat comps -- be it Voodoo or elsewhere -- why it's so hard for some of you to do, I don't understand. But, there it is.
You're just wrong. What you are commenting on (the emceeing) is meant to be experienced, not viewed on YouTube. I can tell you why I don't think heroin is a good idea, but it will have to do with the physical harm it does to the body, the addiction, the danger it puts the users in, and so on, but it won't have sh*t to do with how high it gets you. I can't comment on that because I've never done heroin. You say that the mc takes away from the riding, but how would you know? You've never tried it, and don't know how wonderful it is.
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I've experienced emcees plenty live -- thank you.
I don't care for it. Not that complicated.
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I've experienced emcees plenty live -- thank you.
I don't care for it. Not that complicated.
I'm still waiting for the names of these mc's that jump from the stage, slide on the floor, do tumble sets, and get a non-riding crowd psyched on flatland. They've been around for decades according to you.
You haven't experienced it. Not that complicated.
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Okay Jowee. That's what's I said.
Your argument is essentially 'your opinion is wrong.'
Quality. lol
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Okay Jowee. That's what's I said.
Your argument is essentially 'your opinion is wrong.'
Quality. lol
No. My argument is that all opinions regarding Voodoo are void unless the person expressing said opinion was there. What's more, you have never experienced emceeing like that of Voodoo. How can you express an opinion on something that must be experienced to appreciate when you have yet to experience it?
This is where the heroin analogy comes in. Just as you can talk about how great Voodoo is because it promotes flat and brings the flat community together, you can talk about how bad heroin is because it causes people to become addicts, threatens their health and so on. You don't need to experience these things to argue for or against them. However you do have to actually use the drug in order to have any kind of say so as to wether the high you get from it is good or bad.
If you have not experienced Scott's emceeing, then you can not give an opinion on it. It's that simple.
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Every emceed flatland event I've experienced -- I've always disliked. Be it Kip Wiliamson, Shawn White, George Gallo, or Scott O'Brien, guys doing various factory shows and promotions -- I just don't like it. I don't need to be there live again to confirm this feeling -- in fact it'd probably only strengthen my existing position. Again, sorry if this bothers you.
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Every emceed flatland event I've experienced -- I've always disliked. Be it Kip Wiliamson, Shawn White, George Gallo, or Scott O'Brien, guys doing various factory shows and promotions -- I just don't like it. I don't need to be there live again to confirm this feeling -- in fact it'd probably only strengthen my existing position. Again, sorry if this bothers you.
So what is the alternative to having no emcee?
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Every emceed flatland event I've experienced -- I've always disliked. Be it Kip Wiliamson, Shawn White, George Gallo, or Scott O'Brien, guys doing various factory shows and promotions -- I just don't like it. I don't need to be there live again to confirm this feeling -- in fact it'd probably only strengthen my existing position. Again, sorry if this bothers you.
So what is the alternative to having no emcee?
I don't know about an Emcee, but one thing that is surely missing from flatland are hot chicks. I think every rider should be escorted by two hot babes on its entrance to the floor. just like in professional boxing.
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So what is the alternative to having no emcee?
IMHO...
Just using an announcer to introduce each rider before/after their run.
But more importantly, it's to develop an audience for Flatland - just like every other sport -- so that emcees aren't needed to create excitement among the audience/fans. That should be the rider's job. Who attends golf tournaments? Golf fans. Who goes to hockey games? Hockey fans. It's not that different. Fans will get into it on their own without prompting from someone ordering them to get excited. Christ, after seeing the crowd do the wave at Centre Court in Wimbledon -- anything's possible in sports.
Flatland isn't going to generate any long term fan/spectator interest without a concerted effort to do just that. And it cannot be accomplished by having 1 kickass event -- that the masses can't understand or properly classify. "what was that? a breakdancing contest in a club with european/Japanese guys doing tricks on bikes -- with a Dj and emcee? huh? Is that a sport? Or what?'
Like every other sport, it takes time and groundwork - no pun. Workshops, rider clinics, local contests and a MASSIVE effort to recruit kids at a young age.
How did a black man with an African name, with only a few years experience beat out a Clinton to get the nomination for President of the United States? People who believed in him created an unprecedented grassroots organization at the local level to spread his message.
I know, 'it's impossible' - 'you're crazy' -- But, if we as Flatlanders had done this 20 years ago -- we'd probably be in the Olympics today too. There is an audience and a market for Flatland, it's not that different from anything else. We just need to get our sh*t together, stop bickering among one another -- and build it.
Those are my thoughts on the matter.
And yes, hot scantily clad chicks with huge cans would be a plus as well.
Respectfully,
Brickhead
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Every emceed flatland event I've experienced -- I've always disliked. Be it Kip Wiliamson, Shawn White, George Gallo, or Scott O'Brien, guys doing various factory shows and promotions -- I just don't like it. I don't need to be there live again to confirm this feeling -- in fact it'd probably only strengthen my existing position. Again, sorry if this bothers you.
So what is the alternative to having no emcee?
I don't know about an Emcee, but one thing that is surely missing from flatland are hot chicks. I think every rider should be escorted by two hot babes on its entrance to the floor. just like in professional boxing.
hahahaha! good call ;D
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Flatland is not a sport. Period. It is an artistic athletic expression. No two riders are the same much like no two dancers are the same. You cannot compare it to BMX Racing in any way shape or form. Flatland will never be in the Olympics and that is not a bad thing. Lets keep the Free in Freestyle (Quote I heard at the Voodoo Jam this year).
Flatland is full of energy and excitement and Scott amps that up throughout the course of the day like no other. I simply cannot imagine what Voodoo Jam would be like without him.
Gotta be there. I respect opinions and all but I would say that at the very least the ratio of people that loved it versus not was like 400 to 1. I'm ok with that.
One other thing, to all the riders from the USA Pro or otherwise who said they were coming and didn't make it, shame on you. -_- You missed a great time. (Edit)
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contests without mcs would be boring...and not so much for the riders but for the crowd.
setup a contest and have no mc...and see how it works.
jd.
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You guys are not going to convince BrickHead that emcees are needed. He's made that perfectly clear. No need to waste your time on this one. It's just his personal preference and should be left at that I think.
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You guys are not going to convince BrickHead that emcees are needed. He's made that perfectly clear. No need to waste your time on this one. It's just his personal preference and should be left at that I think.
then he really is a BRICKhead...kidding...i cant beleive no one said that yet 5 pages layter
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You guys are not going to convince BrickHead that emcees are needed. He's made that perfectly clear. No need to waste your time on this one. It's just his personal preference and should be left at that I think.
And that's the truth, Ruth.
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Flatland is not a sport. Period. It is an artistic athletic expression. No two riders are the same much like no two dancers are the same. You cannot compare it to BMX Racing in any way shape or form. Flatland will never be in the Olympics and that is not a bad thing. Lets keep the Free in Freestyle (Quote I heard at the Voodoo Jam this year).
I respect your opinion. But I disagree.
What exactly does the 'free' in freestyle' slogan mean, in the practical sense? Riders shouldn't get paid? There shouldn't be a pro purse? OR, they shouldn't pay entrance fees at comps?
thanks
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I respect your opinion. But I disagree.
What exactly does the 'free' in freestyle' slogan mean, in the practical sense? Riders shouldn't get paid? There shouldn't be a pro purse? OR, they shouldn't pay entrance fees at comps?
thanks
It means Freestyle should have freedom. Freedom to do whatever you want. The Olympics would want compulsory runs with "required" tricks like they have in Gymnastics and Figure Skating. Nobody wants that. Sports have a clear cut winner because there is not a possible misinterpretation to what has just happened. Either you make the basket, cross the goal line or hit the ball over the fence or you don't. The scoreboard at the end determines the winner.
Flatland will never be governed by these rules. How can it be? Why would we want it that way? I think that judging Flatland contests has to be one of the hardest things you can do. I don't really care who wins or loses at events like the Voodoo Jam. The best thing that anyone can hope for is that the nature of competition pushes the very best riders in the world to do tricks that are new (even for them), difficult/tech or just simply eye catching and dripping with style. Everyone has a different opinion about the riding style they like but it is the diversity you see at contests that makes it a special event. I think I got a little off point but you get what I am trying to say.
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Flatland is not a sport. Period. It is an artistic athletic expression. No two riders are the same much like no two dancers are the same. You cannot compare it to BMX Racing in any way shape or form. Flatland will never be in the Olympics and that is not a bad thing. Lets keep the Free in Freestyle (Quote I heard at the Voodoo Jam this year).
Flatland is full of energy and excitement and Scott amps that up throughout the course of the day like no other. I simply cannot imagine what Voodoo Jam would be like without him.
Gotta be there. I respect opinions and all but I would say that at the very least the ratio of people that loved it versus not was like 400 to 1. I'm ok with that.
One other thing, to all the riders from the USA Pro or otherwise who said they were coming or just didn't bother, shame on you. :huh:
So Eric- You're actually saying shame on ALL the U.S. riders, Pro, or AM that couldn't make it?
SHAME ON YOU!!!
How the heck do you know why people didn't make it out?
So you're saying even an AM should somehow come up w/ $500+ in expenses to go to VDJ? Much less a Pro? Where have YOU been?
Did you know that Jesse Puente had his bike taken from the Cops just days before the comp?
Did you know that Pete Brandt never committed to go (due to no funding) but was put on the list anyways? Inside info: he didn't like that.....
Are you so out of touch w/ REAL Flat riders & their REAL lives that U don't know that probably 90% of them are BROKE & most likely couldn't finance a stick of gum, less pull-off going to VDJ on their own means? Do you even know what's going on in TODAY'S economy?
I personally sponsor Jesse, Pete, Steph Cerra, and several others that TOTALLY wanted to go, but couldn't due to $ limitations. Do you think Jesse gets all his expenses paid to every event (dispite being in their ads on GF) from KHE? Think again!
Wake-up BRO! Realize you stuck your foot in your mouth, said the wrong thing without thinking it through & APOLOGIZE for dissin' you own country-mates without knowing their true intentions.
Not hatin' on you bro- got nuthin' but love 4 ya, but... just callin' you on this one statement ( & I'm not the only one, hint, hint).
Sorry- had to speak for those pissed @ this statement- there were a few.....
Am I wrong?
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Flatland is not a sport. Period. It is an artistic athletic expression. No two riders are the same much like no two dancers are the same. You cannot compare it to BMX Racing in any way shape or form. Flatland will never be in the Olympics and that is not a bad thing. Lets keep the Free in Freestyle (Quote I heard at the Voodoo Jam this year).
Flatland is full of energy and excitement and Scott amps that up throughout the course of the day like no other. I simply cannot imagine what Voodoo Jam would be like without him.
Gotta be there. I respect opinions and all but I would say that at the very least the ratio of people that loved it versus not was like 400 to 1. I'm ok with that.
One other thing, to all the riders from the USA Pro or otherwise who said they were coming or just didn't bother, shame on you. :huh:
Did you know that Jesse Puente had his bike taken from the Cops just days before the comp?
why the f*ck did the pigs do that for?
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cmon i know youre there can you please ANswer the question!?
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holy sh*t... are you typing a short story or what? ;D
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I don't know all the details, but Jesse was just there when a friend was getting arrested & said something like: "how come you didn't say he could get a lawyer?"
Then the cop just said: "Oh, OK, so you want to be a lawyer, huh? we'll just take you in to show you the process." They then proceeded to "run" his name & VWALA! found some old ticket that wasn't paid, or sumpthin', so they said he was goin' 2 jail 4 the night @ least!
The only thing he could do @ that point, was to ask a guy that was nearby (who he kinda knew, but not a lot, and could only contact him via my-space for some reason) So his bike could be safe and not impounded, or "left on the street" as the F_N OCIFER said he was going to do (not even bring it in to impound), just leave it there to torture him through what he knew to be his closest asset. That's why he was riding my bike in those HWJam08 pics: he still didn't have his bike back from that my-space guy.
OK, wow, I forgot how long a story that was... YOU ASKED!....I TOLD!
Speak the truth.....
CD
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I don't know all the details, but Jesse was just there when a friend was getting arrested & said something like: "how come you didn't say he could get a lawyer?"
Then the cop just said: "Oh, OK, so you want to be a lawyer, huh? we'll just take you in to show you the process." They then proceeded to "run" his name & VWALA! found some old ticket that wasn't paid, or sumpthin', so they said he was goin' 2 jail 4 the night @ least!
The only thing he could do @ that point, was to ask a guy that was nearby (who he kinda knew, but not a lot, and could only contact him via my-space for some reason) So his bike could be safe and not impounded, or "left on the street" as the F_N OCIFER said he was going to do (not even bring it in to impound), just leave it there to torture him through what he knew to be his closest asset. That's why he was riding my bike in those HWJam08 pics: he still didn't have his bike back from that my-space guy.
OK, wow, I forgot how long a story that was... YOU ASKED!....I TOLD!
Speak the truth.....
CD
wow thats really f*cked up man....dont know what else to say about that....i hope he got his bike back and sint in any trouble for bullsh*t.... thanks for replying though....
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He got his bike back eventually, just not in time to go to voodoo.
I'm now sponsoring him w/ $20 a month to help him out.
Somebody here once said "it would be good to see a sponsor give a rider even a token amount of $ for reppin' their brand...even if it's a measly $5 a month."
I agree
So from that spirit, I'm hookin' my riders up w/ at least $5 a month, or more as it allows from our sites:
(FLAT Clothing.com)/ ebay store: Flat Clothing BMX
So if you want to help Jesse Puente go to VDJ09 next year: buy a FLAT Clothing product & I'll do what I can to send him. How's that for grass-roots fund-raising? :P
CD
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Flatland is not a sport. Period. It is an artistic athletic expression. No two riders are the same much like no two dancers are the same. You cannot compare it to BMX Racing in any way shape or form. Flatland will never be in the Olympics and that is not a bad thing. Lets keep the Free in Freestyle (Quote I heard at the Voodoo Jam this year).
I respect your opinion. But I disagree.
What exactly does the 'free' in freestyle' slogan mean, in the practical sense? Riders shouldn't get paid? There shouldn't be a pro purse? OR, they shouldn't pay entrance fees at comps?
thanks
you got it misunderstood Brickhead the "Free" in "Freestyle" means you can do anything freely in your own style, your style should be free, we were born free, we just become slaves to the industrial world which is taken over..
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you got it misunderstood Brickhead the "Free" in "Freestyle" means you can do anything freely in your own style, your style should be free, we were born free, we just become slaves to the industrial world which is taken over..
So you Flatland to fight the power?
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Flatland will never be governed by these rules. How can it be? Why would we want it that way?
Why not?
Easily -- a system, probably along the lines of Chad J's template, or something similar could be established if there was a need.
Why? For starters, to generate exposure and financing by establishing Flatland as a legitimate sport - so it can be kept free and thriving in the underground. So riders can make a living through their talent and style without being reduced to eating tuna sandwiches and frosted flakes with days old milk. So if a rider loses his bike -- it's not a problem. Could you imagine if a pro tennis player broke his racquet and had to quit because he didn't have an extra 10 on the court with him? The same reason we have jobs. To pay the bills. There is nothing wrong with adapting to the real life conditions that exist in the world. There is nothing wrong with making concessions in order to fund your passions.
I think that judging Flatland contests has to be one of the hardest things you can do. I don't really care who wins or loses at events like the Voodoo Jam. The best thing that anyone can hope for is that the nature of competition pushes the very best riders in the world to do tricks that are new (even for them), difficult/tech or just simply eye catching and dripping with style. Everyone has a different opinion about the riding style they like but it is the diversity you see at contests that makes it a special event. I think I got a little off point but you get what I am trying to say.
You can judge it like you'd judge any other judged competition. Follow a criteria. Incorporate all those delicious ingredients you listed above into the criteria. Reward style and difficulty, etc.
It's not that different from many other sports.
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you make it seem very simple, just comparing flatland to other sports. but as i seen so far flatland isn't at all like other sports, so interpreting it with other disciplines and amongst other sports will be very hard, as also not all people think that exposure will do good for flatland as it will reduce the unique touch to flatland that makes it stand out with pride.
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you make it seem very simple, just comparing flatland to other sports. but as i seen so far flatland isn't at all like other sports, so interpreting it with other disciplines and amongst other sports will be very hard, as also not all people think that exposure will do good for flatland as it will reduce the unique touch to flatland that makes it stand out with pride.
Noted. I've had this conversation with many different people and opinions run the gamut.
IMO, the only reason we pretend it's so different -- is because we make it complicated for the sake of...I'm not really sure. But I never understood the argument that exposure is a negative, because it will reduce the unique touch -- just the opposite -- the wider the net, the more fish you catch. If the emphasis remains, as it should, on uniqueness, originality, etc. then the chances of bringing in more talented, original and unique riders would increase as well. And if they're not all unique, original riders, etc. so what -- we just create a larger community/audience.
We be so exclusive, instead of inclusive?
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one thing is more interesting, how did we get to this arguement if in the beginning it was about emcees in flatland comps :rolleyes:
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one thing is more interesting, how did we get to this arguement if in the beginning it was about emcees in flatland comps :rolleyes:
:lol Because the emcee discussion brought up points about the crowd/audience/spectators/sport vs non sport I guess.
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Easily -- a system, probably along the lines of Chad J's template, or something similar could be established if there was a need.
Chads system was terrible and made absolutely no sense. You don't know what you're talking about.
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If what we do is so artistic, I'm gonna start selling my tricks and style...We ride bikes, give me a break, don't take it too seriously.
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If what we do is so artistic, I'm gonna start selling my tricks and style...We ride bikes, give me a break, don't take it too seriously.
Brian Tunny bought the rights to the around the world a few years ago. Apparently that works.
Flatland isn't artistic. It's bike tricks. I can't even think of a parallel in art that comes close to what flatland is if you want to start drawing comparisons. To call it an "expression" of anything is, in my mind, stretching the idea of "expression" further than any bastardized Jackson Pollack wannabie ever did with jerking off on a canvas and calling it the next Mona Lisa.
If flatland is any kind of "art" then it should be free to be judged by whoever wants to pass judgement on it. However, condemning any link or trick from any rider is dropping a dramabomb on the scene of epic proportions. For good reason too.
We're not riding our bikes to music. We're not going about anything permanent. We've never been taken advantage of by Andy Warhol. Yes times and styles of riding have changed, but if riding is so "artistic" then why do we all do so many of the same tricks? I think it's silly to consider what we do an art when it really doesn't fit any real definition of what art is.
I have never looked at what I did as "an art". The only thing that comes close to what we do is music. Even then, it's a huge stretch. Even when you invent your own trick you're only adding one more note to a very long transient song that nobody in the sport could hum to even with a gun pointed at their head.
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Chads system was terrible and made absolutely no sense. You don't know what you're talking about.
Right - neither does Chad -- only YOU know what's up. You've made that abundantly clear.
Is it really that difficult to devise a criteria for Flatland if there was a need?
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Right - neither does Chad -- only YOU know what's up. You've made that abundantly clear.
Have you even seen ground tactics?
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So Eric- You're actually saying shame on ALL the U.S. riders, Pro, or AM that couldn't make it?
SHAME ON YOU!!!
Hey, I am sorry for how that came across. I should have put the -_- after my comment so you knew I wasn't serious about it, I hit the wrong icon by mistake. I obviously didn't have all the information and was certainly not calling out anyone specifically. I just felt bad that we as a country were not fully represented at the largest Flatland contest in the USA every year. Believe me, I understand how bad the economy is and I am hurting pretty bad myself. I took the train to save money and after two 28 hour train rides I am still trying to recover. Chris I hope you know that I have nothing, nothing but love for every flatland rider anywhere. I was just disappointed is all.
I'm sorry for getting anybody hot. Please accept my apology.
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Believe me, I understand how bad the economy is and I am hurting pretty bad myself.
lol mr "I have a blackberry", mr "the only way i could ball harder is if i did my job naked" :P
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Atleast you weren't 1 of the only 5 Canadian riders that made it down.
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Believe me, I understand how bad the economy is and I am hurting pretty bad myself.
lol mr "I have a blackberry", mr "the only way i could ball harder is if i did my job naked" :P
hey, that Blackberry is paid for by my work. It is like the proverbial ball and chain around my ankle. Being on call (and not getting paid extra for it) blows. I hope your tongue is planted firmly in cheek cause I am seriously broke, getting ready to file for bankruptcy broke. It sucks.
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hey, that Blackberry is paid for by my work. It is like the proverbial ball and chain around my ankle. Being on call (and not getting paid extra for it) blows. I hope your tongue is planted firmly in cheek cause I am seriously broke, getting ready to file for bankruptcy broke. It sucks.
I'm kidding I'm kidding! :(
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I know I am hypersensitive today, no sense of humor. Not everyday you get blasted by one of your teenage heroes. I feel like a tool. o-o-o
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I know I am hypersensitive today, no sense of humor. Not everyday you get blasted by one of your teenage heroes. I feel like a tool. o-o-o
I wouldn't worry about it -- just remember this...
(http://movementarian.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/arguing_on_the_internet.jpg)
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I know I am hypersensitive today, no sense of humor. Not everyday you get blasted by one of your teenage heroes. I feel like a tool. o-o-o
I wouldn't worry about it -- just remember this...
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THATS NOT FUNNY YOU f*ckING IDIOT....IM DEAD SERIOUS THAT THATS NOT FUCIKING FUNNY AT ALL ASSHOLE
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Erik-
Apology accepted. :beer:
There are times when some of us older heads have to speak up when we see something that's purely wrong. I was alerted to your comments from a rider that didn't want to get into a verbal battle on this, so the torch was handed to me. I had to do it. Cheers for admitting to it asap.
It seems like the reason more U.S. riders didn't make it out is because their sponsors either can't, or are not willing to give their rider enough $ to cover the majority of the cost to go.
I hear their stories every month.
Funny how the Eurorean, Asian, etc. rider's sponsors find a way to pay for the HUGE expense of sending them 1/2 way across the country to Voodoo, but the U.S. riders can't get a plane & hotel covered?
Anybody else find this enlightening?
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It seems like the reason more U.S. riders didn't make it out is because their sponsors either can't, or are not willing to give their rider enough $ to cover the majority of the cost to go.
I hear their stories every month.
Funny how the Eurorean, Asian, etc. rider's sponsors find a way to pay for the HUGE expense of sending them 1/2 way across the country to Voodoo, but the U.S. riders can't get a plane & hotel covered?
Anybody else find this enlightening?
Just that there's no money and no exposure in it for the US sponsors -- so why should they foot the bill for anything? I'm guessing that's their rationale.
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Erik-
Apology accepted. :beer:
There are times when some of us older heads have to speak up when we see something that's purely wrong. I was alerted to your comments from a rider that didn't want to get into a verbal battle on this, so the torch was handed to me. I had to do it. Cheers for admitting to it asap.
It seems like the reason more U.S. riders didn't make it out is because their sponsors either can't, or are not willing to give their rider enough $ to cover the majority of the cost to go.
I hear their stories every month.
Funny how the Eurorean, Asian, etc. rider's sponsors find a way to pay for the HUGE expense of sending them 1/2 way across the country to Voodoo, but the U.S. riders can't get a plane & hotel covered?
Anybody else find this enlightening?
That's not totally true. I bet 60% to 70% of the riders paid their own way USA and Worldwide. I know for sure The UK Guys did and 4 out of the 6 Japanese paid as well. They just saved up their money and came out. Of course not everyone can do that.
It does suck there are not enough sponsors to go around. Its unfortunate but Flatlanders have to work EXTRA hard to get a sponsor. Its not coming to us we gotta create it and get.
It also sucks to put this thing together and not see everyone be able to take advantage of the exposure. We keep chipping away but there are no true results. Thats the real shame in it all and the reality.
Wether you like emcee's or not and the people did not show. None of that matters in the big scheme of things. No Sponsors = less jobs and time for riders to progress = less exposure for the sport/art form = less younger people getting involved = no growth.
Voodoo Jam is great but its not the answer for sure and neither is global-flat. I think we need to bring back BMX. Not Flatland , Street ,Dirt and Vert. The BMX Masters is a perfect example of that.
Its time for other people to step up, create website, clinics and organizations for kids to get involved and stay involved. This is not for everyone and I understand that but if people can do it they should rather then talk about it all the time.
Brickhead if you dont like emcee's then thats fine with me I respect your opinion for sure. I just think you should experience the contest rather then make a judgement from a video. We differ in opinion and thats fine, totally understood.
The comment about your siblings pissed me off because its just not fair to make a judgment from a computer screen.
Voodoo Jam is MY vision and I started it with the help of Red Bull. Its the way I like to present Flatland and connect the rider to the spectator. I am not trying to convince you, I just want you to see where I am coming from with my vision. If you have a vision then maybe you should try to get something going. I would love to see it and I will give you as much advice as I can. Sincerely.
I am an open book for anyone. After traveling the world and being involved in several big flatland only contest I have a lot to offer for advise. I want to see other emcee's and contest come up and I want to see growth. It takes ground work and not enough people are doing it.
thanks
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Bummer I couldn't come, I had a wedding to attend :( At least I had Wilhelm give me text messages throughout the day to tell me who did what. I guess there's always next year
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Brickhead if you dont like emcee's then thats fine with me I respect your opinion for sure. I just think you should experience the contest rather then make a judgement from a video. We differ in opinion and thats fine, totally understood.
The comment about your siblings pissed me off because its just not fair to make a judgment from a computer screen.
Voodoo Jam is MY vision and I started it with the help of Red Bull. Its the way I like to present Flatland and connect the rider to the spectator. I am not trying to convince you, I just want you to see where I am coming from with my vision. If you have a vision then maybe you should try to get something going. I would love to see it and I will give you as much advice as I can. Sincerely.
Very cool on all counts. :beer:
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Bummer I couldn't come, I had a wedding to attend :( At least I had Wilhelm give me text messages throughout the day to tell me who did what. I guess there's always next year
Unless it was your wedding, that's no excuse. There was actually a guy at Voodoo who was skipping a wedding. I'm dead serious. ^_^