deco suck a bus

[Rick Macdonald]

I guess we do agree, sorry if I sounded rude there bud!     

This bothers me because the frame is more or less what I would order custom if I was building a bike from scratch.  I like the silver finish and the integrated tensioner is awesome.  Chad is an icon to my generation of riders and I'm stoked that he's got his own biz going.  But I'm a strong believer in 4130.  It doesn't have to be some crazy Columbus Nivacrom or expensive Waterford tubing, but at least Japanese Sanko would've been nice. 

[D]

I guess we do agree, sorry if I sounded rude there bud!     

This bothers me because the frame is more or less what I would order custom if I was building a bike from scratch.  I like the silver finish and the integrated tensioner is awesome.  Chad is an icon to my generation of riders and I'm stoked that he's got his own biz going.  But I'm a strong believer in 4130.  It doesn't have to be some crazy Columbus Nivacrom or expensive Waterford tubing, but at least Japanese Sanko would've been nice. 

No sweat. The frame does look really nice.  The geometry is pretty much perfect. 

[BMXFlatlanderFL]

The geometry is the same to a GT Show...


I am 260lbs and i havent broke mine yet. I ride the piss out of it!


Matt

[byke]

I got the info direct from Chad last week: 

"4130 chromoly heat treated head tube, BB and drop outs...double butted downtube, no steel sh*t on those..." 

So only the HT, BB, and drops are 4130. No word from Chad on what the rest of the tubes are made from, I'm guessing either low grade cro-mo or hi-tensile steel. Mystery solved. 

Very sceptical they use 4130.
Infact I am willing to bet 10 dollars deco don't.
Simply because of all the material generally used in Taiwan / china (sanko / CrMo / etc) 4130 is not one of them.

[Paradoxium]

These frames are designed by an all around rider, and street riders jump huge stairs. If they don't break them how would riding flatland?  Different forces and angles yes but still nowhere near street abuse.

[byke]

Karl, my last post wasn't questioning the strength but the integrity regarding information fed to its customers.


To the other readers ....
While many believe material holds special powers .... It is in fact what and how you use such materials.
That results in a frame lasting longer, but materials in this regards can have a bearing on the weight.

My view regarding 4130 is that irrespective of strength I usually find it allows for a nicer ride.

[2flat2furious]

Are people really wondering if Chad is using 4130 on his frames? That seems a bit silly to me considering who he is and the reputation he has. I mean, really?

[The Flat Squirrel]

Hey,
I have been riding a blue Deco Succabus frame for a couple of months now and its awesome
I have had no issues whatsoever with it, I ride street and flat so is perfect for me

[D]

I don't really care what material he makes the bikes out of, there are high level and low level frames and not every bike has to be made from the very highest quality stuff.  But I was just wondering why a frame with material choices that, without sounding rude, you'd find on $400 mid to low level Sunday, Fit, or DK tri moly complete retailing as a frame alone for the same amount of money as frames that are full 4130.     

[2flat2furious]

I don't really care what material he makes the bikes out of, there are high level and low level frames and not every bike has to be made from the very highest quality stuff.  But I was just wondering why a frame with material choices that, without sounding rude, you'd find on $400 mid to low level Sunday, Fit, or DK tri moly complete retailing as a frame alone for the same amount of money as frames that are full 4130.     

Does it say that it's trimoly though? He specified that parts of the bike were heat treated 4130 only right? That doesn't mean the rest isn't.

[tod miller]

^^^ I read heat treated tubes too.  Doesn't say anything about tri-moly.  And I think Chad would be out of his mind if he sold an "after market" frame with mild steel tubing. 

[byke]

I really don't think it is 4130.
As generally (or at least in the past) it's not a grade that is used in the far east.

[D]

Ah on the other hand, everyone seems to love the frame, and even people who are very experienced and have critical eye and bike building experience themselves (Brett D. ) all report that it's tough as hell and very well made, so maybe I'm reading too much into this.     

[D]

I was curious about grades of chromoly so I looked it up.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/41xx_steel

Sanko is evidently a brand name.  I found a similar discussion on frame manufacturing here...

http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/index.php/t-527883.html

[cunners]

please chad dont put them badges on the toptube again , theyve cut the sh*t outa my knees, and have been a bitch to grind off, awesome frame though