Standard Byke

[Topsey]

13.25" I am well aware of the MK Code & will be purchasing one when i have the funds Plus the Raw Colour is SWEET.

[sakis]

13.25" I am well aware of the MK Code & will be purchasing one when i have the funds Plus the Raw Colour is SWEET.

agree i would had it too if i could find a seller for my flatware frame

[Joshua S.]

I'm glad you posted this...

Standard is my bike company of choice. I've just always liked the bikes, never had an issue, just positive experience all the way around.


I'm having a hard time justifying the expense of a full on custom bike for my limited riding abilities. I've talked with Rick, and he said he would be interested in entering this market, but needs to build a few frames to minimize the cost of the original.


Would anyone be interested in going down this road? I realize there are many opinions on "proper" geometry, so it is unlikely to make everyone happy. Standard pretty much does straight tubes, so we are looking at another straight tube bike. Are there already too many choices out there?


Any thoughts?

I too have been talking to Rick about making a flatland frame for my company. My street/park frame is already in the works by them. I've been gathering info on the flatland frame on this board.
I bought a Custom 2011 250-L with a 20.5" TT, 13.5" C.S., 11.5" BB. It is the best frame I've ridden. I ride everything on it. But Mostly Flatland.
I still don't think there are too many choices out there for flatland. I think there is not enough TT choices and the strength of most of them can be alot better... If you would like to talk more about this let me know. PM me.
Here are some of the specs for the prototype frame for now. It can/will change as I get more feedback from you guys:
19.5" TT
75 HT
11.5" BB
8" ST height
13-13.5" C.S
Integrated chain tensioners, heattube, seat post clamp
Removable gyro tabs, cable guides, and mounts
14mm dropouts

comments, questions, suggestion?

[Jake4130]

I've talked with Rick a bit about this too. My suggestion is still the same; use the 250L tube set and make it same geometry as the 250L except half inch shorter in the rear (making it 13) and a half inch shorter in the front (making it 19.5). Built in seat clamp, use the older 250 drops so that pegs fit. I agree, brakes as an option, not removable; either with or without. Stupidest idea ever making them removable. Some sort of platform as an option if you want it. I realize not everyone does, but some do like it. More than you would think. No need to over complicate it. I love the way my 250L rides for pretty much strickly flat. Zero issues at all.

[Revig]

Stupidest idea ever making them removable.

From an industrial and economical point of view (I mean the frame makers), this allows to reduce the number of different reference for a frame model, and then the unsold volumes at least.
With that technical choice, almost only the different colors and tt lenghts define the number of options for a frame model.
This helps also significantly the retailers to choose what they have to carry, they take less risks having unsold frames in stock.
 
But it's still a shame that the actual removable mounts solutions are not technically perfect enough for some people.
 

[EZChris]

just please dont cock up on the stand over




f*ck this REAL BIKES SWEATY MEN RIDING BIG BIKES BUMMING EACH OTHER REAL BMX stuff and just make a frame people want ffs = well made, good geo, and LOWER THAN YOUR AVERAGE DIRT FRAME

[Joshua S.]

@Jake4130
That is exactly what I'm thinking about doing. If you guys would want this type of frame why not get it faster and exactly how you want it through Modern Bikes. It will come from the same manufacturing company (Standard Byke) but built to your specs. I will get them to build this frame once I get enough feedback, suggestions, etc. And I will test it extensively. It can be ready by this summer, the production models, if you guys help out!

@Revig
Exactly! Your right. Jake4130, this is why you would want removable options. It will save time and money.

I'm figuring just doing one color and 1 or 2 sizes. This will help alot with the price and manufacturing time. I'll do some more polls on this.

@EZChris do you mean don't make it too high or mess it up? What are you looking for in a Stand Over height?
This frame will be well made, good geo, and" lower than your average dirt frame". Suggestions,Feedback, specs is what I want if you want the above!   Thanks.

[Jake4130]

Stupidest idea ever making them removable.

From an industrial and economical point of view (I mean the frame makers), this allows to reduce the number of different reference for a frame model, and then the unsold volumes at least.
With that technical choice, almost only the different colors and tt lenghts define the number of options for a frame model.
This helps also significantly the retailers to choose what they have to carry, they take less risks having unsold frames in stock.
 
But it's still a shame that the actual removable mounts solutions are not technically perfect enough for some people.
 

Ahhh there is the problem. There seems to be a misconception that its abut the distributors and dealrs. It's not about the distributors or the dealers; it's about the customers, the riders. You give the customers what they want, bottom line. Removable brake mounts are something that may be great for dealers, but really suck for the customer (at least the ones that run brakes). In that case you get rid of em and give the customers what they want.

They aren't even close to perfect. If there is a possibility of them coming loose and changing the brakes adjustment then they are just poor design.

[Jake4130]

just please dont cock up on the stand over




f*ck this REAL BIKES SWEATY MEN RIDING BIG BIKES BUMMING EACH OTHER REAL BMX stuff and just make a frame people want ffs = well made, good geo, and LOWER THAN YOUR AVERAGE DIRT FRAME

Starting to think that the advantages of the lower stand over is a myth Chris. I had a pretty low stand over on the cube and have ridden my friends st Martin and I'll admit it's kinda cool, but honestly being on a frame now that was intended for street and dirt in terms of the stand over, I really don't miss it. I'm just not novices it's needed. I do not want to go back to the high stand over heights of the 90s though.

[Joshua S.]

How many riders would rather have no mounts at all? That is my question. You see most, if not all companies moving to removable mounts. They may not be perfect but it gives the option to take them off and have the brakeless look or be able to put them back on if you want. Would it help not to send mounts and hardware to the riders that don't want brake mounts? I'm being serious. That would resolve the option of brakeless to me.

[Jake4130]

No need to go through modern either. Just hit Rick up for a custom and your set. Cut out the middle man. I'd just like to see Rick make this idea not a custom, at least in one formation. Add it to their line up o offerings. Do it kinda like chad does with the sucubus flatland version but add in custom options for a fee.

[Jake4130]

How many riders would rather have no mounts at all? That is my question. You see most, if not all companies moving to removable mounts. They may not be perfect but it gives the option to take them off and have the brakeless look or be able to put them back on if you want. Would it help not to send mounts and hardware to the riders that don't want brake mounts? I'm being serious. That would resolve the option of brakeless to me.

I would take a note from sick child on this one. Do one or the other (with or without) as the normal version and have the other be custom. I think sick child does brakeless by default and with brake mounts as a custom order option.

[Joshua S.]

Still your going into costly options. I know you want it the way you do but maybe you would be better off with a custom frame of your own from Standard Bykes... The way Sick Child does it is there idea but I wouldn't want to have custom orders when there is easier and cheaper ways of doing it. What I mean is what if everone started demanding brake mounts on a Sick Child...Not that they couldn't meet those demands but with removable you wouldn't have a problem with this.
There again, you said add it to the Standard line up... if there is Standard Flatland frame who and how is the info/specs the riders want are get to them? What I mean is getting involved with the riders like I'm doing my best to- To make a frame people will want.  I don't see Modern Bikes as a "middle man". We are a bicycle company that wont be selling through major distibutors or mail orders yet. Those are your middle men.

[oldmanjoe]

Stupidest idea ever making them removable.

From an industrial and economical point of view (I mean the frame makers), this allows to reduce the number of different reference for a frame model, and then the unsold volumes at least.
With that technical choice, almost only the different colors and tt lenghts define the number of options for a frame model.
This helps also significantly the retailers to choose what they have to carry, they take less risks having unsold frames in stock.
 
But it's still a shame that the actual removable mounts solutions are not technically perfect enough for some people.
 

Ahhh there is the problem. There seems to be a misconception that its abut the distributors and dealrs. It's not about the distributors or the dealers; it's about the customers, the riders. You give the customers what they want, bottom line. Removable brake mounts are something that may be great for dealers, but really suck for the customer (at least the ones that run brakes). In that case you get rid of em and give the customers what they want.

They aren't even close to perfect. If there is a possibility of them coming loose and changing the brakes adjustment then they are just poor design.

I think you have to look at what the distributor wants to sell if you want to make a production run to keep the costs lower.

I mean I could just have Rick make my bike and pay the $500+ it will cost for a one off, and it will be just as I want it.

But if there was some form of agreement where there could be 5-10 frames made and the cost kept to $400 or lower, it would be beneficial to me, as well as others who might want a Standard but not a $500 one.

Sure we could all order directly through Standard, and have the brake mount there or not depending on the order, but it would also be nice for Pat to get in on the business as well, which is also free advertising for Rick. Lots of win there, but Pat doesn't add or remove brake mounts, he sells complete frames. Does he order some with, and others without? Seems like a tough way to sell.

As of today, I have not had problems with my removable brakes. This doesn't mean I wont, just my experience, so removable brakes would not be a turn-off for me, and I cannot imagine that brake-less riders would care about the screw hole.

[Jake4130]

I think you are all making this just a bit too complicated. It's really fairly simple but of course would have to be an agreement between rick and pat (and frankly none of our business), but it could work like this:

Rick comes up with a configuration that is the default offering for a flatland frame. You have my vote on what that looks like. As for brakes, even though I am a brakes guy, I think you go brakeless by default and with brakes as a no charge option. Platform also an option for an extra $75 or something.

The behind the scenes would be the real magic. Pat buys a certain amount of frames as his "stock" from Rick but they stay at Standard. They also remain raw. Patrick gets an order, he sends it to Rick. Rick then adds brake mounts if needed and a platform if needed and sends it to be powdered. Once it's back from powder, it ships directly from standard to the customer. Done. Not all that hard.

The nice thing is not only are they in the same state, but Rick has this kind of flexibility, where other manufacturers might not.