its funny how many people hate this frame but are probably supportive of the ugly ass kgb frames...psyconnexion or psyconnecta or whatever the f*ck theyre called, this frame is probably inspired by those and to a lesser degree the show. over specific flatland clearance induced frames are funny, but people bought the sh*t out of jesse puente's frame. how many of you sh*t talkers bought khe frames with an internal gyro? that looked like a bigger failure than this thing. anyway, this frame is ugly as sh*t. payce