getting pretty tight spins from them now- lean forward a bit as the hydrant comes around, bending your knee on the inside foot helps put you over the top of the spin, balance is more with your torso going from looking in the direction of the spin to down over the spin, but i find it easier to really get it flying by bending your peg knee- when you bend the knee your able to lean the bike farther over and get it locked in. Ive been working turbining them but every time I get one to go forward, I have little to no speed. I see guys get the turbine almost as soon as they hit the mccircle...mine are happening at about 200 degrees from starting position- anybody got any tips?