There is a need for 19'+ frames. I told Terry that about his custom frame with Oddy. I would never ride something that big but I have always noticed the need for it.Brandon oh Brandon. Ever thought of Politics?
Quote from: Scott O on December 16, 2009, 03:26:09 AMThere is a need for 19'+ frames. I told Terry that about his custom frame with Oddy. I would never ride something that big but I have always noticed the need for it.Brandon oh Brandon. Ever thought of Politics? I'm all for 19"+ tt frames (hell, I ride one). But I don't see the point in copying what is already there, know what I mean?Politics? Why just because I disagree?
I'm not sure how you get that out of my saying buy a sick child or a quamen if you want a no frills frame but I'm not gonna try to figure it out.
MacNeil just stopped making a no frills flat frame remember? As much as I wish SBC well in any new venture, maybe the market really can't support it as much as the hopeful would like to think. Just something to chew on.
So they should stop making street/park/race frames because that design is taken and the market is already "flooded?" This logic is funny.
That macneil frame was not that nice. It wasn't a no frills flat frame. The rear end on that thing was constructed horribly. The taper on the seat and chainstays was like 45 degrees over a quarter of an inch. It would be incredibly painful to ride one of those because your foot would hit the damn stays so much it would bruise. That's just bad design in my opinion. Nevermind that it was essentially built bigger than most street frames are now.I looked at that bike, and I immediately ruled it out because of that and other reasons. I didn't like that the same way I really didn't like the Div. I just thought they were not well thought out designs the same way a quamen or sick child is. Quamen's and sick childs have a certain maturity and understanding about what goes into a good FLATLAND bike that macneil and WTP just didn't really have in my opinion. I am worried standard might go down that same road if they don't employ the input of actual flatlanders and just go off what a street rider who rode flat years ago thinks a good flatland frame should be. This isn't geared at rick, it's just in general I don't get a sense that they're ready to reach out much is all. The quality is there, the pragmatic design simply isn't.
Quote from: SNOOP on December 16, 2009, 05:04:12 AMSo they should stop making street/park/race frames because that design is taken and the market is already "flooded?" This logic is funny.No, no I never said to stop anything. I said Rick should do what he wants. I just see a lot of very similar frames already on the market and didn't really see the point in doing a another one but if standard's quality is really beyond what is available this alone warrants them doing it.But I mean, when I go to Flatlandfuel I see all of these frame at around 19" or above with fairly similar double diamond designs:-Slim Fit wouldnt own-Deja vu ned to find out more about..-Mankind Alive a little to low at the tt but managable-Bowls-Cypher-LTF owned one-Diamond no rearend-Class x-2 only in 18.1-MacNeil-and several other around the 18.8" mark
whos bike is that up there with the Trick Star front end?! thats SiiiiCK!
Thank you to everyone for your input so far. Let me address one thing to be clear: I am only interested in building a frame that is top notch and for the current form of flat. The older influenced, retro style stuff but modernized can stay in my custom program. I can make the frame any geometry any rider wants. What I need from you guys is what the key points are. Maximum tire size, max sprocket size, stand over height, head tube length, how much clearance for the stays, brakes/ no brakes options, details baby! I only have interest in building the best. I have always believed as a rider, that to build the best I need to listen to those that ride a given model then use excellent materials and build process with quality control. I will listen to all and build a proto for you guys to scrutinize. Let's keep the dialogue open. Feel free to contact me directly as well. Rick