I have the 8" rise. They come 28" wide and I have cut them down to 24". That is sort of where my problem is lately/mostly. They feel fairly good. I was not used to riding bars with as much back sweep as these have, it has been a while. But, that is not so much the problem. They are now really only 8" rise more toward the outer parts of the grip due to the upsweep once they are cut to 24". It is not a REAL big deal, I guess. I always liked the look of 4 piece bars and the Castillo's were a favorite of mine in the past. So I think I ordered these when I saw them feeling nostalgic for a 4 piece bar yet with a 8" rise. They work for now but I am really looking forward to the flatland bars that S&M and Chad has got brewing.