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Re: Beginners come hither! (part 2)
« Reply #60 on: February 08, 2009, 10:18:55 PM »
Ok I have 2 questions.

How do you pull up the back when you're doing a nosemanual (not a hang5, I mean from the pedals). I've been trying to do nosemanuals for some days, yeah I know it takes much more time but I still cant even pull up the back end enough. Should I have bent knees while pulling it up? Lean over the bars? I'm have a minimal offset fork by the way.

And second, how the hell do you pump hitchhikers. I know how to pump halfhikers, not superfast but I can do a couple of spins. I've been trying to grab the back peg and pump but my bars always hit the ground or I end up doing a normal hitchhiker.
I'm running a 18.5" frame and I'm 180cm tall.

I apreciate all tips

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Re: Beginners come hither! (part 2)
« Reply #61 on: February 08, 2009, 11:01:43 PM »
I'm not the greatest at nose manuals, but I can coast them for a few seconds on a good day. I just never practice them.

The best advice I can give is to sort of "scoop" the back of the bike up with your feet on the pedals while unweighting the back wheel. It's kind of a hop except you don't jump up anywhere. Jeff Smee gave me really good advice on them a few years back. To keep balance you have to think about nose manuals like you would manuals on the rear tire but instead of the balance point being around your hips, it's in your arms and shoulders. I hope that helps some.

For spinning hikers, I found pumping them easier when you're leaning back a bit. and keeping your legs stiff. Again, I don't practice these that much so I'm not a pro pumper, but this seems to work pretty well. It's the same kind of pump you'd do in a spinning cliffhanger.

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Re: Beginners come hither! (part 2)
« Reply #62 on: February 09, 2009, 07:28:04 AM »
I've never had issues getting into nose manuals...just learning how to stick them without brakes :)

I guess to describe how I pop it...

I kinda crouch, then spring up/forwards (diagonally?)...and the key is crouching a little before you throw yourself up. gives you a extra umpth. Keep your arms bent as you throw yourself up, and kick your feet upwards with the pedals to get the rear up with a little more umpth. Knee's are bent.

If you watched me do it, you would see me lean back, with my butt touching the rear end of the seat, and then my body would shoot forward over the handle bars...arms would straighten SOME...but not straight...and then I would either fall or come back down :P If i was riding my brakes, you would see me just slow to a eventual...or not so eventual because its quick....halt.

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Re: Beginners come hither! (part 2)
« Reply #63 on: February 09, 2009, 11:33:07 AM »
Ok, time to make some use of this plethora of flat-knowledge known as T.J. Perry.
ANY kind of spinning trick just eludes me.  I can do Death Trucks, but I can do a simple McCircle or Megaspin.  LAME!!  There are two that I really want to nail, and that's a Time Machine and a spinning Upside Down Wheelie.  Here is a vid of a Time Machine, and I'll have the vid of my combo with the Rope-a-Roni turbine to Upside Down Wheelie, and an attempt to spin it, up by mid-day tomorrow.   Rolling tricks have always come easier to me than any kind of spin.  This Time Machine vid is about the maximum spin I can get on this trick.
Anyway, here's the first vid...
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vawQYvMbv-0[/youtube]

And thanks very much for your help, in advance :)
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Re: Beginners come hither! (part 2)
« Reply #64 on: February 09, 2009, 11:45:50 PM »
The biggest problem I had with time machines was getting over the fear of bringing my leg in close and tight to get the spin in a smaller circle. It seems to be the same problem that you're having there. I would also suggest that you go a little bit faster, but don't over do it if you arn't entirely comfortable with the position.

Try to learn megaspins first. If you are not comfortable with spinning, then maybe a time machine isn't the best place to start.

See it's funny, I can't do death trucks at all. I can't even ride into them. Granted, I havn't really spent more than 20 minutes on them, but it goes to show that how we all learn is fairly relative.  -_-

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Re: Beginners come hither! (part 2)
« Reply #65 on: February 14, 2009, 11:10:15 PM »
Bump.

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Re: Beginners come hither! (part 2)
« Reply #66 on: February 15, 2009, 06:38:36 AM »
Bump again and I'm going to toss this out there too.

If you are living in Virginia and can get to Richmond, I will tutor you in person if you can make it here. You can also crash at my place if you want to spend a few days going over a few things as long as the weather is nice. I can show anyone how to work on their bike, set up brakes, dial in freecoasters..... anything really.

Offer is on the table for anyone in VA or anyone passing through as long as you arn't f*cking nuts!  -_-

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Re: Beginners come hither! (part 2)
« Reply #67 on: February 15, 2009, 02:51:42 PM »
Dude, tried to add you on msn, but no luck.

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Re: Beginners come hither! (part 2)
« Reply #68 on: February 15, 2009, 03:10:09 PM »
^^ oh man, we need more ppl like u tj :beer: :beer: :beer:

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Re: Beginners come hither! (part 2)
« Reply #69 on: February 15, 2009, 06:38:55 PM »
Dude, tried to add you on msn, but no luck.

Oh sh*t that was you? haha.. I was in the middle of watching a movie with a really cute girl and that thing popped up so I closed it out! Try again and I promise I'll pay better attention :)

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Re: Beginners come hither! (part 2)
« Reply #70 on: February 15, 2009, 07:30:55 PM »
Tj...I almost called you on my way up to washington last week, but lost your contact info when i dropped my phone on the floor.oh well . Next time?

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Re: Beginners come hither! (part 2)
« Reply #71 on: February 15, 2009, 07:40:36 PM »
Tj...I almost called you on my way up to washington last week, but lost your contact info when i dropped my phone on the floor.oh well . Next time?

f*ck! Definitely :)

I only have classes two days a week (two very.. very long days a week) and I'm free friday-monday plus wed. IF anyone is coming through richmond hit me up here and we'll set up to session.

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Re: Beginners come hither! (part 2)
« Reply #72 on: February 15, 2009, 08:09:27 PM »
Im not making very much progress with my spinning steamrollers. All i can get is a 720 max just carving. I've started getting them alot tighter, but other than that im getting no where. Also, im trying to figure out how to turbine them, as I thought that might help me, since thats the only way I can do megaspins aswell.

Any tips on the turbine? Everytime I try, I can only manage to get the bike 3/4 of the way around, and then I just DIE. I cannot create the forward motion.

And speaking of which, I've always wanted to learn megaspins the right way...e.g. scuff each 180 and keeping the bike moving in the same circle. I can not for the life of me do them.
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Re: Beginners come hither! (part 2)
« Reply #73 on: February 15, 2009, 08:22:28 PM »
Turbines are funny because once you get one you can usually get them in quite a few different tricks. You have to think about it like a large spiral that you're moving towards the center in. once you hit that center point momentum should be what carries you forwards to backwards and forwards again.

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When I go from forwards steamroller and scuff backwards, you can kind of see the spiral I'm talking about. The center is the pivot point where your tire literally has nowhere to go BUT forwards.

I still think your biggest problem is your posture during the trick. Loosen up a bit, do some stretching, and stop thinking about the concept of a "steamroller". Just tell yourself that you want to make this motion on a bike, and don't worry about the trick itself. It sounds kind of like metaphysical, but that's helped me get over hurdles when I ride.

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Re: Beginners come hither! (part 2)
« Reply #74 on: February 15, 2009, 10:51:07 PM »
Turbines are funny because once you get one you can usually get them in quite a few different tricks. You have to think about it like a large spiral that you're moving towards the center in. once you hit that center point momentum should be what carries you forwards to backwards and forwards again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpzPY_a9GRY&feature=channel_page

When I go from forwards steamroller and scuff backwards, you can kind of see the spiral I'm talking about. The center is the pivot point where your tire literally has nowhere to go BUT forwards.

I still think your biggest problem is your posture during the trick. Loosen up a bit, do some stretching, and stop thinking about the concept of a "steamroller". Just tell yourself that you want to make this motion on a bike, and don't worry about the trick itself. It sounds kind of like metaphysical, but that's helped me get over hurdles when I ride.


First, here's a little recent video of what is really the best I can do for my spinning steams.
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As far as being relaxed, I find that when I get my circles really tight, my balance leg will usually be kinda tucked behind my peg foot, which helps the spinning. My leg gets all flailed in the air when im losing balance, and thats just where it needs to be to stay in! When i get better with the balance, i'll be able to keep my leg tucked down, and that makes it *look* more relaxed. Problem is, I rarely get into that really really tight turn with my leg tucked in...it hasnt come to me yet. You'll also see in that video that when my leg isnt flailing around like a chicken, that my knee is more bent...thats because im just more comfortable with the trick.

As far as turbines, I start out backwards and want to turbine forward....its easier to go forward and turbine backwards, because you can scuff into it. But when you go from back to forward, the motion itself (carve) has to carry you into it....and THAT is what im having a problem with. When I try to whip it around, it just dies, or I lose my balance. I'll try to get some foty of me trying to JUST tubine and maybe you can help.

PS - you LOVE that old school half-decade-turn down DONT you? :P Man I got that TWEAKED.