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Offline marv

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frames are the same?
« on: May 10, 2006, 07:03:11 AM »
this is soo bitch dude . .  :angry: :angry:

all frame are the same !  :angry:

all bikes setups are the same !  :angry:

why we just create our own frame ? ?

ORYGNALITY is DE BEST ! !   

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Offline martin

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Re: frames are the same?
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2006, 10:13:20 AM »
There are many different flatland frames out there. If a street rider would say that then I could understand it ;)

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Re: frames are the same?
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2006, 10:27:45 AM »
umm they are not the same
headtube angles are different
toptube lengths are different
back triangles are different
top tubes are different
down tubes are diferent
headtubes are different..khe with coke can
weights of frames different
and soon and so on

Offline alonso

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Re: frames are the same?
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2006, 11:58:49 PM »
i thinking : why all riders we come to an agreement with the objective to create in the future a perfect parts? the only differs in a parts should the sizes for taller riders and small riders.

today, one company make a good part ( example arestic boo ), but not all companies make a good parts.

KHE: this company its near to create all parts perfect.

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Re: frames are the same?
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2006, 12:20:25 AM »
Now Ive` heard of color blind but frame blind...now thats` new to me.





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Re: frames are the same?
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2006, 04:37:49 AM »
I also do think all new frames starting to look very similar.

Saw that r.i.p frame by khe, thougt that looked nice, turns out st martin have the wells frame, practically a copy.
St martin Darwin, pychoconnecta, tantra and militant frames, OG gypo 2 or worst, that dadan frame.
It's either that or the quadangle ripoffs, khe, quamen, psychopower..

They all probably feel very different, but look quite the same.

just an observation, not putting anyone down, tastes differ

Offline tolites

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Re: frames are the same?
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2006, 09:58:06 AM »
its all about how you use the frame. so what if its look the same. different riders have different settings even though they have the same frame. setting one's bike differs from the others, its all about you. your style.

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Re: frames are the same?
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2006, 03:31:27 PM »
I do think that frames are just like tricks.

When someone is coming out with a fresh new move, after a while it will be normal to see it from another riders. Like no one is talking sh*t about anybody that is doing a blender. A couple of years ago everyone thought that  the trick belongs to Martti.

That is just the same with the details of the frames. KHE re-used the SE Quadangle toptube/downtube connection, right after them KGB used the very similar connection on their Psychopower frame. This is just natural progression, even if it results some misunderstandings and bad feelings between companies.

I wish more companies would think before they design something. Being original is important, but most flatland frames are just produced, not tested and tried before the sales begin. Most tube connections are too weak, the weldings are not long enough to take the abuse from the sides.

But saying that the frames look the same is dumb. Some connections might be similar but for a well informed person it is rather easy to tell the one from the another.

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Re: frames are the same?
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2006, 06:54:06 PM »
what i dont like is the same type of fork
all short shafts made for rear brakeless
riders and i have not found a longer ligher
fork yet and i am very frustrated
damn doesnt anyone use back brakes anymore
i hate this.

Offline midwestside

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Re: frames are the same?
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2006, 05:30:52 AM »
what i dont like is the same type of fork
all short shafts made for rear brakeless
riders and i have not found a longer ligher
fork yet and i am very frustrated
damn doesnt anyone use back brakes anymore
i hate this.

You can use an Odyssey flat fork (minimal for sure) 190mm steertube with a gyro plenty of room to spare washer wise. They aint that heavy.
I too wish other companies  made longer steer tubes. If they standardized a longer ST , its no prob to cut em down. 
« Last Edit: May 24, 2006, 05:33:17 AM by midwestside »

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Re: frames are the same?
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2006, 07:59:21 AM »
they are heavy
the odyssey pro flatland forks
they are 2.4 pounds or 36 ounces
that is heavy compared to many others
that are 24-27 ounces and that is 12
ounces you are talking about or 3/4 of
a pound heavier.
each opunce counts so yeah i am not
satified with the odyssey pro flatland fork

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Re: frames are the same?
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2006, 08:47:33 AM »
I do think that frames are just like tricks.

When someone is coming out with a fresh new move, after a while it will be normal to see it from another riders. Like no one is talking **** about anybody that is doing a blender. A couple of years ago everyone thought that  the trick belongs to Martti.

That is just the same with the details of the frames. KHE re-used the SE Quadangle toptube/downtube connection, right after them KGB used the very similar connection on their Psychopower frame. This is just natural progression, even if it results some misunderstandings and bad feelings between companies.

I wish more companies would think before they design something. Being original is important, but most flatland frames are just produced, not tested and tried before the sales begin. Most tube connections are too weak, the weldings are not long enough to take the abuse from the sides.

But saying that the frames look the same is dumb. Some connections might be similar but for a well informed person it is rather easy to tell the one from the another.

The tricks are what define flatland.  Everything else is just cosmetic.  Although, I can't argue with consumers wanting a quality product.

I also try not to dabble into the corporate world, or the "ownership" of tricks.  If you don't want people "copying" your stuff, you shouldn't show it off.

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Re: frames are the same?
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2006, 06:51:36 PM »
haaaaa
so then what is the point

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Re: frames are the same?
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2006, 10:16:04 AM »
Go ride your bike mutt.

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Re: frames are the same?
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2006, 12:58:12 PM »
what i dont like is the same type of fork
all short shafts made for rear brakeless
riders and i have not found a longer ligher
fork yet and i am very frustrated
damn doesnt anyone use back brakes anymore
i hate this.

yo mutt, I returned to back brakes. Im using an older version khe fork with a brickhouse stem and its long enough (dont know how long though)
Maybe the newer versions are  also long?
uhh, just checked the khe site and the tanaka fork is 175mm....
but im sure there are other brands with longer steertubes