Hey Ao8,


how does the ti spokes going?
I am actually planning to get those as well but heard many bad comments about it.
 

I never had any issues. I kept everything tight and dialed and rode a ton of park and street.. I even had them laced twice which people also say is a no no (the first time I had them laced to rims that didn’t have braking surfaces and later wanted to run brakes). I used hub guards so they wouldn’t get damaged grinding...  I rode very little flat back then.. landing into peg manuals or peg manual to pedals tricks was as close to riding flat with the set up I ever got.

Not sure how they’d do with a lot of side stress. Saving rotational weight makes a bike feel much lighter though so at some point Id like to try it.. maybe someone else has already

Yes it's a pretty long setup and I bet most would find it too long. I don't know, it's working great for me.  It's the first bike that I don't feel uncomfortably cramped on.

well, its good to know people are riding flat only on long set ups too.. a part of me just wants to rebuild my old 250L which was 21.25tt/48mm and go from there. its definitely what I'm used to riding but Im afraid it will hinder progression trying to ride flat only on it. and just starting out I want to do everything I can to lower the learning curve.. I do dream a Long buttery manual or a fast peg manual on a long bike though but thats about as close to riding flat on it I got. which I'm sure is laughable to those here.

fyi I'm 6'0.. not super tall..

Ive been riding the WTP Utopia with the 20" TT for awhile now, but Ive been really wanting to try an even longer frame. I finally got enough $ together, so last week i bought a DK Phase frame with a TT of 20.8" and a rear end about 0.25" longer than my utopia (13.25" slammed vs 12.95" slammed). So i expected this bike's wheelbase to be about 1" longer then my utopia, and it is. The headtube angle is slightly steeper (75.2 instead of 75) and the seat tube is a bit more mellow (71 instead of 71.5).

I am LOVING this longer frame. Back wheel tricks feel so much more natural for me, the balance point just feels more align with my body whereas on shorter frames balance just feels awkward and cramped especially in tight spins.

So far front wheel tricks feel good too. I thought, for sure, that certain front wheel tricks like jugglers would be difficult with the longer TT but so far they haven't been. Everything on the front still feels good, just going to take a bit of time to readjust for a few tricks but that is  to be expected with any major change. Hang fives and hang nothings feel great, I was worried the seat would feel too far away, but nope. Same with spinning switch handed steam rollers, the distance from the grip to the seat feels perfect. The only trick that Ivee found so far that feels a bit awkward is the karl kruiser, but i think with a bit more practice I will readjust no problem.

I was really worried that going with a 20.8" TT would be too much of a change but it hasn't been and I am very glad i went with it. If you are a taller rider and feel cramped on 'normal' flatland bike then maybe give a longer bike a try. It worked out for me.



I'm tall and mostly lanky, about 6'1" and 180lbs

Frame: 2019 DK Phase
20.8" Top Tube
13.5" Rear End (pegs are hanging off the ends of the dropouts a bit)
34.5" Wheelbase
160mm cranks
Zero Offset Forks
40mm reach stem with 34mm rise (top load)
Handlebars have 8" rise and I have as many spacers as possible underneath the stem (and fork steerer Tube is tall, 185mm)

I have a similar thread now going in a Facebook group. and I'm calculating the ratio between tt+stem length and height so I can standardize comparisons. (I know there are other factors but this works for my thought process)..

this is the longest set up I've seen here or there.

Thanks people, I’ll list the components later.
Updated list.

Hi, can somebody share experiences with the Armour Bikes Mad-Ti pegs?
How good do they last (especially the caps)?
Did you have problems with seizing of the caps?
Any info about the 2018 vs. 2020 version besides the 3/8" square hole for the caps?