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English => Parts & Bikes => Topic started by: out~riding on November 28, 2020, 05:49:11 PM
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About a month ago we seen a prototype WTP that Varo was riding (http://www.global-flat.com/smf/index.php?topic=66953.0), now WTP has released some more pics:
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And it looks like that there are 2 different versions... hastag 👀 #utopiahybrid
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these look so friggin sweet. cool to see WTP getting back in the game. I am riding the utopia forks currently and just purchased their new bike travel bag. good things and vibes all around. would be good to see more clips/coverage of their team
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would be good to see more clips/coverage of their team
You can follow Varo Hernandez (https://www.instagram.com/varohernandez/) on instagram.
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I absolutely love my utopia with 20" TT, but still interested in trying something a little longer like maybe 20.25-20.5".
So have any of the specs for these new frames been mentioned yet?
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So have any of the specs for these new frames been mentioned yet?
No details have been released yet.
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I want that purple one pretty badly! I've been riding a 20" Utopia for a bit now and loving it. I was always afraid of the tiny dropout. But, I've never had any issues with it. Might help, though, that I ride a smaller diameter peg (DOMs). Hopefully the specs are the same as previous versions.
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Our new #UtopiaHybrid frame is the perfect blend between Street and Flatland. Utilising technical geometry and new ultra-lightweight Hydroformed tubing, this is one light and nimble frame designed to take a beating. Available in 20” and 20.5” and backed by our Lifetime Guarantee. Ridden by @varohernandez @julienbmx and @keiryo_bmx
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Nice. I'm gonna give the 20.5" a go. Kinda disappointed they made the rear end a little shorter then last years. I wonder what seat tube angle will be or if they stuck with 71.5 like last year. I'm excited.
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Can't hate the purple, but wish they had a 19tt version
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Ive been extra excited about the Utopia hybrid frame coming out so have been checking the WTP website and flatlandfuel daily hoping to see them suddenly available. Started to get inpatient so I tried emailing WTP through their website to ask them when it would become available and they only told me to check with retailers. So I emailed Pat at flatlandfuel.
This may already be common knowledge but apparently bike frame production in Taiwan is very backed up due to the covid bike boom. He says that they keep pushing the date back and right now it seems that it won't be until early summer at best or possibly not until late fall.
Hopefully soon though as I'm eagerly awaiting. Got the money already saved up and set aside.
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The Asian market always gets hold of the first production, I just checked a Japanese shop and they have had them for a month already. I also seen that @julienbmx (https://www.instagram.com/julienbmx/) is already riding a production frame.
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Ok that makes sense and would explain the response I got from WTP as well. Now just to be patient like a good boy...
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The Asian market always gets hold of the first production, I just checked a Japanese shop and they have had them for a month already. I also seen that @julienbmx (https://www.instagram.com/julienbmx/) is already riding a production frame.
Oh so should be quite soon then that they are worldwide. We don't yet have specs on the black flatland version tho do we?
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Are you asking about the the version with the bent down tube? I think they are calling that one just "Utopia" whereas the longer one with straight tubes is called the "Utopia hybrid"? Not sure.
From what Pat was telling me, it may still be awhile before flatlandfuel gets their stock unfortunately (and I assume it's likely the same with most other US based shops, not sure about other parts of the world). Maybe summer, maybe even late fall 😢 Here's hoping sooner! I hope you're right that it'll be quite soon.
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The Asian market always gets hold of the first production, I just checked a Japanese shop and they have had them for a month already. I also seen that @julienbmx (https://www.instagram.com/julienbmx/) is already riding a production frame.
Oh so should be quite soon then that they are worldwide. We don't yet have specs on the black flatland version tho do we?
WTP hasn't updated the site yet, but these are the specs from a japanese shop;
Length: 19″
Head Tube: 75
Seat Tube: 71
Chain Stay: 12.4″-13.2"
Stand over: 6.2"
BB: spanish
14mm Drop-Outs(6mm Thick 3/8"アダプター付属)
Integrated Cain Tensioners
Weight :1935g
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Are you asking about the the version with the bent down tube? I think they are calling that one just "Utopia" whereas the longer one with straight tubes is called the "Utopia hybrid"? Not sure.
That's right, the "street" style is the Hybrid.
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I was going to wait until flatlandfuel or flat society got stock of the 2021 utopia hybrid before I ordered one, as I prefer to support our domestic flatland companies whenever possible, but I admit to getting too impatient... so I went ahead today and ordered one from kunst form . Hopefully they actually have it in stock as their website suggests and that delivery doesn't take too long.
I went with the 20.5" TT. Had a really hard time deciding between black or translucent purple but decided on black in the end. I'm excited, I love getting a new frame and this one is as close as I've been able to find to what I've discovered is my ideal geometry.
Edit: oh sweet I got a shipping notification already, I assumed it would take them a couple of days to get it out not ~16 hours. Now begins the long wait. Apologies for being annoying, just excited!
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I curious how it will turn out for you!
By the way: I assume it has a Mid BB, right? I prefer spanish, but this is so rare today that I would be surprised if the would use it.
It is really a pity that WTP doesn't even have this stuff on their site. This tells me that they consider the flatland family to be so small that it is not even worth to advertise flatland specific products. Another example: Did you try to find the F-Zero fork on the Odyssey site? At least it is not listet under forks... As if this would be kind of underground stuff for a dozen of people in the world... This is how far we are now.
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Yea it's unfortunate we just aren't important enough. I've been checking wtp website all the time too, but disappointment.
Yes the Utopia hybrid uses mid bb as far as the specs I've found
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I was hoping the hybrid came in a 19 or 19.5". I'll keep my Bastille a little longer...
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Yea it's unfortunate we just aren't important enough. I've been checking wtp website all the time too, but disappointment.
I think they just haven't updated the site yet.
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Typical flatland marketing FAIL....it's been this way forever.
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Yea it's unfortunate we just aren't important enough. I've been checking wtp website all the time too, but disappointment.
I think they just haven't updated the site yet.
I you're right, I don't believe they've updated their site for any of their new products. But daddycool does have a point with us being kinda ignored too. I'm glad though that wtp seems to be getting back into flatland, my last three frames (besides a short while on a DK phase) have all been wtp and I love these frames.
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Well they are promoting it a lot on instagram and facebook.
They might be waiting for all products to be available worldwide to update the site.
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Lol I'm sorry I never go on Facebook or Instagram so I didn't know. I should probably take a look at the whole picture next time before drawing conclusions about it. I'm really glad to hear about this promotion you're talking about, I think I'm liking wtp more and more.
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Lol I'm sorry I never go on Facebook or Instagram so I didn't know. I should probably take a look at the whole picture next time before drawing conclusions about it. I'm really glad to hear about this promotion you're talking about, I think I'm liking wtp more and more.
I'd highly recommend instagram. So many great flatlanders to follow for clips on there...
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I'm been meaning to and will finally, just hard to find more then a few seconds of free time here and there lately. March has probably been one of the busiest months I've had in a long time. Fortunately April and may will be much slower, lots of time for riding and browsing Instagram 😉
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I'm been meaning to and will finally, just hard to find more then a few seconds of free time here and there lately. March has probably been one of the busiest months I've had in a long time. Fortunately April and may will be much slower, lots of time for riding and browsing Instagram 😉
If you have kids I can imagine time is in short supply. instagram has become my favorite app due to the rider videos. If anyone knows how to view any of the clips in slow mo let me know!
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Lol I'm sorry I never go on Facebook or Instagram so I didn't know. I should probably take a look at the whole picture next time before drawing conclusions about it. I'm really glad to hear about this promotion you're talking about, I think I'm liking wtp more and more.
here is there latest post:
We’re stoked to have Wethepeople OG and Flatland legend @franklukas onboard one of our new 2021 #UTOPIA frames. Frank’s been killing it for so long now and seeing him shred his hometown spot will never get old for us 🖤
go check out a small clip:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CNFpqtQHqgD/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/CNFpqtQHqgD/)
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I was going to wait until flatlandfuel or flat society got stock of the 2021 utopia hybrid before I ordered one, as I prefer to support our domestic flatland companies whenever possible, but I admit to getting too impatient... so I went ahead today and ordered one from kunst form . Hopefully they actually have it in stock as their website suggests and that delivery doesn't take too long.
I went with the 20.5" TT. Had a really hard time deciding between black or translucent purple but decided on black in the end. I'm excited, I love getting a new frame and this one is as close as I've been able to find to what I've discovered is my ideal geometry.
Edit: oh sweet I got a shipping notification already, I assumed it would take them a couple of days to get it out not ~16 hours. Now begins the long wait. Apologies for being annoying, just excited!
Friggin sweet I'm sure you are excited aliasdck and you can never go wrong w black. Problem with some of the louder colors is they can wear on you over time and become an eyesore. Happened to me with the space blue Strowler and mint green Matthias frame.
That is A+ customer service emailing you < 24 hours after purchase. Now I wonder how long it will take for overseas shipping. And the shipping costs???? Keep us posted man
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I curious how it will turn out for you!
By the way: I assume it has a Mid BB, right? I prefer spanish, but this is so rare today that I would be surprised if the would use it.
It is really a pity that WTP doesn't even have this stuff on their site. This tells me that they consider the flatland family to be so small that it is not even worth to advertise flatland specific products. Another example: Did you try to find the F-Zero fork on the Odyssey site? At least it is not listet under forks... As if this would be kind of underground stuff for a dozen of people in the world... This is how far we are now.
Daddycool hell yeah man I love spanish. Mid BB is completely unnecessary and a lazy design choice. For that reason alone I am supporting Heresy--ok well not the only reason the geo owner and image are tops in my book as well. Apparently Spanish is around 3-4 oz lighter than a mid BB when factoring in bearing size and tubing differences.
Yeah flat parts don't get too much mention on the bmx co sites. I know that Pat @ Flatfuel ponied up like $10,000 to get another batch of those forks made. There was a large minimum order so Patrick actually owns all the stock of them hence Odyssey not posting them on their site
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Friggin sweet I'm sure you are excited aliasdck and you can never go wrong w black. Problem with some of the louder colors is they can wear on you over time and become an eyesore. Happened to me with the space blue Strowler and mint green Matthias frame.
That is A+ customer service emailing you < 24 hours after purchase. Now I wonder how long it will take for overseas shipping. And the shipping costs? ??? Keep us posted man
So far I'm very happy with kuntsform service. They shipped right away and then it made it out of the border fast too. So it's already on its international part of the journey. They shipped via DHL package which is then handled by USPS once it gets into the US. According to my research, typical door to door times for such is somewhere around 2-3 weeks though with the pandemic it may likely take longer.
Originally I paid $506 USD total and was ok with this. Breakdown looks approximately like this (in USD):
Frame $393
Shipping $38
German VAT $75
Total ~ $506
At the time I didn't realize what the term VAT meant, I thought it had something to do with import fee. I'm unfamiliar with ordering international, almost never have done so, so I'm kinda clueless lol. Turns out German VAT is tax (duh) so it doesn't apply to me. Kuntsform automatically refunded me the $75 a day after I placed the order.
So I ended up only paying ~ $435 for the frame with shipping. This is probably about what I would have paid for it from somewhere out of state like flatlandfuel, assuming they end up setting the price at like $399 + shipping.
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That sound good! But don't you need to pay customs when it comes to the US? I ordered from flatlandfuel here and there (the other way around so to say) and most of the time did not need to pay additional taxes or customs. But later I needed to pay customs for my London Bikes bars from the US and the Impurity gyro from Singapore. The parcel is stopped from the customs and I needed to pick it up there and pay some fees (around 15 % or so).
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It's possible daddycool, I don't know yet. I have very little experience ordering international, only one other time I bought the removable brake tabs/posts for my 2019 wtp Utopia from somewhere overseas, but this was an inexpensive small item and it made it through customs without having me having to pay anything additional. It's possible I will have to for this frame, I really don't know. If I do, that's ok as it's still worth it to me. I still have the ~$75 that kuntsform refunded me so I could use it towards that if needed.
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Please let us know. I may order at flatlandfuel again so I may see what it is the other way...
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I've ordered all sorts of car parts from overseas.
If it's through FedEx you can get it in even a couple of days. Which is amazing.
The fastest so far is 2 days from Germany to California. This is all pre-covid so ymmv.
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"DHL package" is what they are using, seems to average like ~2-3 weeks pre covid from what I've seen searching the internet. USPS handles it once it gets into the US including delivery. It was shipped on 3/30 and made it out of Germany on 3/31. I dont expect any further tracking updates until it hits US customs, hopefully within a few days, and then hopefully it doesn't spend an eternity in that black hole
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"DHL package" is what they are using, seems to average like ~2-3 weeks pre covid from what I've seen searching the internet. USPS handles it once it gets into the US including delivery. It was shipped on 3/30 and made it out of Germany on 3/31. I dont expect any further tracking updates until it hits US customs, hopefully within a few days, and then hopefully it doesn't spend an eternity in that black hole
Great man keep us posted!
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They shipped on March 30th and it looks like it just made it through customs early this morning (April 11th). Expected delivery is this Friday April 16th. If so then it'll be in just a little over 2.5 weeks door to door.
(https://i.imgur.com/7Gd4cTX.png)
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Sweet making good progress. Seems like the new "hot" frame to be released
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Just got delivered. Unfortunately I'm like 400 miles away on business this week so won't see it until I get home on Friday night but glad it made it. Took about 16 days. I'll get some pics up once it's built.
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Ok before I said the bottom bracket was Mid but I now I don't think this is right. The place I bought the bike from had mid bottom bracket listed under the specs but looking at the frame now it must actually be Spanish as the mid bottom bracket bearings I bought for this frame will not fit, lol. The bottom bracket shell looks identical to the mid bottom bracket shells I have on my other frames, just slightly smaller in diameter.
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I actually posted the specs a few posts back and mentioned it was spanish BB, but I did only find them on a japanese webshop. WTP still hasn't updated there website....
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Yea you did out~riding, and I should have looked into closer when I read your post back then. Thanks, by the way. I just figured that the kunstform website had the correct info since they had the frames on hand. Oh well, now I got a spare mid bb kit on hand and the correct Spanish one coming from flatsociety sometime later this week. Hoping to build it up by this weekend.
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Huh, I emailed kuntsform and let them know they need to update the bottom bracket specs for the 2021 WTP Utopia Hybrid on their website. They replied this morning insisting that they checked their stock and that what they found were mid bottom brackets not Spanish on their utopias. I think either the person who checked only looked at an older Utopia, like a 2019 or 2020, or that person measured the bottom bracket incorrectly like they measured the outside diameter instead of measuring inside diameter of the shell.
I replied with these photos showing measurements taken on the frame they sent me. I'm curious to hear back from them again. I'm not mad or looking for compensation, just hoping to get them to update the specs so nobody else makes the same mistake I did by wasting money on ordering the wrong bb kit.
(https://i.imgur.com/13uZ8GJ.jpg)
I also sent this photo showing there is no way a mid bearing could fit:
(https://i.imgur.com/aJaGf1N.jpg)
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Huh, I emailed kuntsform and let them know they need to update the bottom bracket specs for the 2021 WTP Utopia Hybrid on their website. They replied this morning insisting that they checked their stock and that what they found were mid bottom brackets not Spanish on their utopias. I think either the person who checked only looked at an older Utopia, like a 2019 or 2020, or that person measured the bottom bracket incorrectly like they measured the outside diameter instead of measuring inside diameter of the shell.
I replied with these photos showing measurements taken on the frame they sent me. I'm curious to hear back from them again. I'm not mad or looking for compensation, just hoping to get them to update the specs so nobody else makes the same mistake I did by wasting money on ordering the wrong bb kit.
(https://i.imgur.com/13uZ8GJ.jpg)
I also sent this photo showing there is no way a mid bearing could fit:
(https://i.imgur.com/aJaGf1N.jpg)
Unexcusable. I expect better from WTP....
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I think in this case kunstform just made a mistake as I don't believe they are affiliated with WTP other than them just reselling wtp frames along with other manufacturers frames and parts. I'll have a better idea when they reply. But it would be massively helpful if wtp could finally update their website...
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Ok kuntsform said that the person who measured had a made a mistake. So they have updated the specs on their website, thanked me and gave me a € 20 voucher. Dealing with this company has been excellent all around, highly recommend. I'll get some pics up once it's built, hopefully by this weekend.
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Could it be that the Utopia Hybrid frame uses Mid BB and the flatland version uses Spanish BB? You have the flatland version, right?
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Could it be that the Utopia Hybrid frame uses Mid BB and the flatland version uses Spanish BB? You have the flatland version, right?
No, the previous Utopias used midBB and they didn't update the new specs on the website.
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Out~riding is correct.
And I have the Utopia hybrid version daddycool as I wanted the top tube length to be 20.5". The flatland version looks very nice but is too short for me unfortunately. My old Utopia has 20" top tube and was almost perfect but I've been experimenting over the last couple years and discovered a little longer is what seems to work best for me.
Spanish bottom bracket arrived in the mail yesterday. Should have it built up soon...
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Have had it built up for quite awhile and I'm absolutely loving this frame. I think I have finally found what frame dimensions are really a best fit for me in this frame. Everything just feels right for once.
I'll get a bike check up soon with some pics.
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That sounds really good! Can't wait for the pictures! I will also have my modified frame built up soon. :)
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I have the Hybrid version and I Love it .
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I have the Hybrid version and I Love it .
Noice! Same here, the flatland version is too small for me unfortunately as I love the way it looks. Which top tube length and color did pick for your hybrid version? I went 20.5" in black, couldn't be happier with it.
I'm gonna try to get my posted wig photos in bike check this weekend. I'd love to see some photos of yours built up if your up to sharing any.
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Hey guys, by the way: My 2015 model (19.4" TT I believe).
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For me it is just a "spare bike" that I do not use regularly. Now show me yours! :P
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Hey guys, by the way: My 2015 model (19.4" TT I believe).
That color matching frame fork and bars looks magnificent
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Reminds me of when I was trying to figure out what bb spacer for my big daddy .I emailed hoffman ,And Pat and both said it was the gold profile spacer...It wasnt ,I needed a trimmed down kink spacer to make it work (I could have used the spacers that came with my total bb but I had the kink one first and dialed it in )Seems like its always something anymore .
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by the way, WTP have updated the whole website now.
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Ah finally! Nice. Thanks for sharing.
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Hi everybody! I got a 19" lilac but finally I prefer to sell it: https://www.facebook.com/jeanpierre.labaume.7/posts/10222349658842316 (https://www.facebook.com/jeanpierre.labaume.7/posts/10222349658842316)
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Ohh that is a beauty
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Oh yeah that looks good! Titanium bolts in the stem and spindle? I assume you will regret when you sell it... Or don't you like the geometry?