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Title: TRUTH TERMINATOR X FRAME
Post by: Truth Bmx on March 22, 2020, 01:25:42 PM


We just received our 3D photos of our new chromoly flatland .Let us know what you think about it and And changes to specs. The frame will retail for $329.95. Colors Red, Black, White,Blue, Yellow. If manufacturer let us mix colors more colors wiil be available. Frame Specs are below.


Chromoly 4130
Top Tube Lengh 18.5",19.0",19.5" ,20.5"
Rear End length 13.49"
Headtube Angle. 74.5
Seatpost Angle 71
BB Height 11.60"
Spanish BB
Standover 7"
Brakemounts
Integrated Chain tensioners
Integrated seatpost clamp
14mm Dropouts 7mm thick
2.50 Tire clearance.
Tapared rear tri at dropout
Title: Re: TRUTH chromoly frame 3D drawings
Post by: Truth Bmx on March 22, 2020, 01:28:45 PM
Here are a few more pics
Title: Re: TRUTH chromoly frame 3D drawings
Post by: aliasdck on March 22, 2020, 03:24:13 PM
Nice, I like that you are offering the four TT sizes.

Is the rear end length measured to the center of the dropouts or to the very end of the dropouts?
Title: Re: TRUTH chromoly frame 3D drawings
Post by: Truth Bmx on March 22, 2020, 03:29:38 PM
The rear is measured center to center
Title: Re: TRUTH chromoly frame 3D drawings
Post by: khe killah on March 22, 2020, 04:06:33 PM
Looks nice, you should offer it in that lime green.

Be very interested to see this come to life, my only niggle is the integrated seat clamp im not a fan of but thats just personal preference.

Good work!
Title: Re: TRUTH chromoly frame 3D drawings
Post by: Revig on March 23, 2020, 09:14:38 AM
please explain the choice of these angles
 
7 mm thick dropouts is overkil by today standards (don't the makers use treated materials for frame parts nowadays?)
 
is it not possible to get something more inside tapered regarding the stays/dropouts connexions?
ie below some work from Pir

 
(https://i.ibb.co/WDrR7LF/a.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/qRtMcWk/abb.jpg)
Title: Re: TRUTH chromoly frame 3D drawings
Post by: Truth Bmx on March 23, 2020, 10:12:49 AM
How thick are the dropouts on frame in photo?   We received input from a few people. Are specs are good or bad???
Title: Re: TRUTH chromoly frame 3D drawings
Post by: FlatSociety on March 23, 2020, 10:24:11 AM
5 mm thick is sufficient. Also, the tapered dropouts are a must for todays modern rider. I would also recommend to make the rear end a bit shorter. 12.75 or so, center to center is good. Lastly, were you planning on including removable brake hardware? The 3D Pics appeared to have welded on guides & posts. Hope this helps...
Title: Re: TRUTH chromoly frame 3D drawings
Post by: Truth Bmx on March 23, 2020, 10:55:14 AM
Yes the brake are removable not welded to frame. Also the 3D drawing does not show it but the dropout area is tapered. On my 2D drawing the tubing size is small at dropout.  Thanks for input. More is welcome
Title: Re: TRUTH chromoly frame 3D drawings
Post by: metalbmxer on March 23, 2020, 12:37:54 PM
I think the dropouts are 7mm thick due to the chain tensioners going THROUGH the center of the dropout

curious what the weight is?
Title: Re: TRUTH chromoly frame 3D drawings
Post by: bhuffman on March 23, 2020, 01:26:02 PM
I personally like longer CS, any frame I've ever ridden below 13 I've completely hated - no good for back wheel tricks at all. 13.5 like the Rek frame is good. I'm not sure about the 68 ST angle either, might make getting behind the seat more difficult for things like cliffhangers and my experience with the quamen bowls frame also makes things like hang nothings more difficult.
Title: Re: TRUTH chromoly frame 3D drawings
Post by: Truth Bmx on March 24, 2020, 12:26:24 AM
Metalbmxer is correct. We started off with 5mm dropouts when frame was first designed. What angle is all around good?  We will not know weight until frame is made. But I can ask manufacturer est weight.
Title: Re: TRUTH chromoly frame 3D drawings
Post by: byke on April 09, 2020, 09:44:21 PM
Why are the seat stays, so long and extend up the top tube?
This material on the TT is thinner than the ST , creating a worse join.
Also the added material only adds to useless weight
Title: Re: TRUTH chromoly frame 3D drawings
Post by: stuntnuts on April 10, 2020, 01:18:08 PM
The "truth" is, the probability that this frame actually ever makes it to production is around 3%.
Title: Re: TRUTH chromoly frame 3D drawings
Post by: metalbmxer on April 10, 2020, 11:09:42 PM
The "truth" is, the probability that this frame actually ever makes it to production is around 3%.

Even lower now that the economy has tanked
Title: Re: TRUTH chromoly frame 3D drawings
Post by: Truth Bmx on April 11, 2020, 04:19:03 PM
 When you talk about frame will never reach production those words are nothing new to my brother and myself. We have heard that over and over for years!!!  Your frames will never make production!!!  "Truth" is all the frame we designed made production. We now offer Aluminum, Carbon, Chromoly and Titanium race frames along side our 20", 22"  and 26"  street frames. You can see in pics below.


Truth is a small up and coming rider owned by brand .Sometime it takes Truth longer to get products then your major brands because we don't have 100k sitting around. When we invest money and time for frame design we try to come thru with product's


We did flatland back in mid 80s it was fit to add frames to our product line.



The rear tri looks long but it's not only a 3D drawing. We have used same design on our street frames with no problem. Our race frames have upper tri into top tube with many years on track.  And passed many test at the factory on frame testing machine over 200,000 cycles still holding up strong!!  Frames weight is no more then your standard looking frame.


We are not worried about strength  flatland frames are not designed for jumping 10 feet in the air.


Maybe I will get Brian from AFA to post about Truth street frame he has in hand. I was given good feedback from Brian


Thank you for all feedback. Truth want to offer flatland riders another good frame option
Title: Re: TRUTH chromoly frame 3D drawings
Post by: DaddyCool on April 12, 2020, 12:00:45 AM
It would be nice to have another frame option on the market! I am looking forward to it!
About the angles: There are some riders who prefer 74 HT or even less, but many use 75 . I would say with 74.5 you cannot go wrong.
About the ST angle: I would think about around 70 with the same wheelbase and so you would have a shorter CS. In other words: Shift the BB closer to the backwheel!
My personal opinion about the seatstays connecting to the top tube: If you are confident that it is strong enough I would say why not. At least it is unique at makes the frame different to all the other street frame looking options. It might happen that some people don't like the look of it...
Title: Re: TRUTH chromoly frame 3D drawings
Post by: aliasdck on April 12, 2020, 06:48:18 AM
It would be nice to have another frame option on the market! I am looking forward to it!
About the angles: There are some riders who prefer 74 HT or even less, but many use 75 . I would say with 74.5 you cannot go wrong.
About the ST angle: I would think about around 70 with the same wheelbase and so you would have a shorter CS. In other words: Shift the BB closer to the backwheel!
My personal opinion about the seatstays connecting to the top tube: If you are confident that it is strong enough I would say why not. At least it is unique at makes the frame different to all the other street frame looking options. It might happen that some people don't like the look of it...

I agree with everything daddy cool is saying. If you were to bump the head tube angle up to around 74.5 and adjust the seat tube angle to around 70 while keeping the wheelbase about the same so that the rear end ends up being a bit shorter  (I usually prefer the rear end to be around 13", though a lot of flatland riders probably prefer even shorter these days) then I would be interested in buying one of these frames.
Title: Re: TRUTH chromoly frame 3D drawings
Post by: bhuffman on April 12, 2020, 09:29:30 PM
Agree with what others are saying...it's proven to be strong enough to ride street on so should be fine plus it's unique. I have seen one of the frames up close and it looks good. If a prototype doesn't work then the design can be changed. These guys seem legit so let's stay positive and support another company supporting flatland the best we can. I also agree the ST angle should be changed.
Title: Re: TRUTH chromoly frame 3D drawings
Post by: Truth Bmx on April 13, 2020, 12:01:14 AM
We can change frames spec easy. We want frames to be rider friendly for all riders. Frame will be tested on frame machine .If there is a problem it will be taken care of before production. I see there are 2 or 3 brands that have non street frame look and people are ok with them. Truth has supported AFA events in 2020 with no product on hand. Flatland sport is very small compared to racing but we are going do our best to support flatland . Here are a few pics of upper tri on our street frame
Title: Re: TRUTH TERMINATOR X FRAME
Post by: Truth Bmx on August 01, 2020, 01:42:14 AM
Here's a pic of sample frame. We are happy how It turn out. Frame weights 4 pounds 5 oz
Title: Re: TRUTH TERMINATOR X FRAME
Post by: khe killah on August 01, 2020, 06:54:05 AM
Frame looks really nice, cant wait to see it fully built up...

Title: Re: TRUTH TERMINATOR X FRAME
Post by: aliasdck on August 01, 2020, 08:03:51 PM
Here's a pic of sample frame. We are happy how It turn out. Frame weights 4 pounds 5 oz

Awesome man! Did you stay with these specifications:

Quote
Chromoly 4130
Top Tube Lengh 18.5",19.0",19.5" ,20.5"
Rear End length 13.49"
Headtube Angle. 74.5
Seatpost Angle 71
BB Height 11.60"
Spanish BB
Standover 7"
Brakemounts
Integrated Chain tensioners
Integrated seatpost clamp
14mm Dropouts 7mm thick
2.50 Tire clearance.
Tapared rear tri at dropout

Or did you decide to make any changes? If so what are they?

Any idea when they will be available for sale? I may consider getting one with a TT of 20.5. What colors do you plan to offer?