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Title: Flatware chase gouin bars.
Post by: Rizalflatlander on September 18, 2019, 01:06:44 PM
Hello everyone,
old but would like to ask, if anyone of you have pictures of the V1 and V2 Chase bars for comparison? I bought one on ebay and I can’t tell if this one is the V2 or V1.
I have two chase bars now and can’t find the difference. I am also not sure which version this first chase bars I already had.
Your answers is highly appreciated. Thanks!
Rizal
Title: Re: Flatware chase gouin bars.
Post by: DaddyCool on September 18, 2019, 10:47:21 PM
Hi Rizal,a very intersting question! I bought one from Bikers Base in Germany some month ago and also could not find out if it was V1 or V2. I even asked Odyssey but they could not give a clear answer. So I do not know if there was any difference in the sticker design for example which could clarify.Unfortunately we cannot see the difference in the wall thickness that was announced for V2. I searched the web for some pictures and in the one from FF they say that one bending radius was increased. But it is hard to see that. Would you say there is a difference in these two pictures?
Title: Re: Flatware chase gouin bars.
Post by: Rizalflatlander on September 19, 2019, 11:25:28 AM
Hey there Daddycool,
Yes I can’t identify which one is the V1 and V2. I have compared these two Chase bars I had and I noticed the  difference at the bottom edge of the bars where Stem clamps. The one is smooth while the other one has welded cover. Hut I can not tell which is V1 and V2.


I can post the picture but it won’t work here.
Title: Re: Flatware chase gouin bars.
Post by: Voodoo on October 07, 2019, 11:21:09 AM



If you look closely, V1 is more "upright" where V2 bends out wider overall. I'm a Chase bar junkie.
If you take some good pics, I can tell you which version they are.
Title: Re: Flatware chase gouin bars.
Post by: DaddyCool on October 07, 2019, 09:36:15 PM
Hi Voodoo,that's what I was waiting for!  :P This is mine.
Title: Re: Flatware chase gouin bars.
Post by: Voodoo on October 08, 2019, 01:06:04 PM




After staring at them for a while, the junction where the crossbar meets the bars looks like V1 to me. Also, the decals appear to be V1 to me as well. The V2's came with white 41 Thermal stickers up above / on the rear of the bars.


Now, don't panic and don't let that discourage you. I have a pair of V1's that I have literally beat the crap out of and are still going to this day.


Did you throw any decals on or did they come like that? And can you take one more pic from the rear of the bars? I don't want to dis-info you.


You took really good pics, by the way.
Title: Re: Flatware chase gouin bars.
Post by: Voodoo on October 08, 2019, 01:30:36 PM



By the way, this is what I'm referring to. The junction where the crossbar meets the bars
on the outside..and then the overall space and gap between the bars.


Here are my V2's as well. It's hard to tell and you have to have a keen eye for them...but the gap is wider.
Title: Re: Flatware chase gouin bars.
Post by: khe killah™ on October 08, 2019, 01:45:55 PM
I had a set of the Chase bars snap on me mid trick. It broke right off at the bend by the crossbar.

I now have the Terry Adams Bayou bars. Zero sweep.
Very similar but without the bend at the crossbar making them stronger imho.
Title: Re: Flatware chase gouin bars.
Post by: Voodoo on October 08, 2019, 01:53:55 PM


I've seen the pics!
Yeah, it snapped right where I marked those pics on the outside in red, right?
That's why they changed the design there. The angle got a little less steep.


Also, the shape of the Bayou bars are very simiar to my St. Martin Angel (ange) bars
that I just got back from my friend Wes as a present. Except for the crossbar, of course. But they are very similar. Even in width.
Title: Re: Flatware chase gouin bars.
Post by: khe killah™ on October 08, 2019, 04:01:55 PM
Yeah, right on the money. Luckily my full weight wasn't on them at the time.

Still love them bars tho, I cant get into the generic street style bars most riders seem to rock these days.
Title: Re: Flatware chase gouin bars.
Post by: Voodoo on October 08, 2019, 04:43:08 PM
Yeah, right on the money. Luckily my full weight wasn't on them at the time.

Still love them bars tho, I cant get into the generic street style bars most riders seem to rock these days.


I never could, man. Even my SE Trick Master bars were more like Bayou bars and/or Angel bars. Hah. That was before I started riding strictly Masters back in the day. The day Haro released the Kneesaver was the last time I rode a two piece bar. I'm ultra-mega picky about bars, man.


Right now, my love affair is with the aforementioned Odyssey Chase Bars and the OG Caramel 3 bars.
Title: Re: Flatware chase gouin bars.
Post by: khe killah™ on October 08, 2019, 06:02:24 PM
I'm with you bro!! Zero sweep too for me. Sum of these bars these days feel like a granny's happy shopper bike they have so much sweep.
Title: Re: Flatware chase gouin bars.
Post by: DaddyCool on October 08, 2019, 08:12:28 PM
Hi Voodoo,thanks a lot so far!I need to take a picture and post it later because I want to ride soon and as you know this has priority  :) I did not change any stickers, it came like this.By the way: I also have an OG Caramel 3  ::) I really like beautiful handlebars and for my taste this is not two-piece.My main bars are custom London Bikes ones based on the Dagmar III with 2 ° upsweep and zero backsweep.I can also post pics later...
Title: Re: Flatware chase gouin bars.
Post by: Voodoo on October 08, 2019, 10:59:00 PM
I'm with you bro!! Zero sweep too for me. Sum of these bars these days feel like a granny's happy shopper bike they have so much sweep.


Dude, when I tried to ride some of my reallllly old school sets of bars, I was shocked at how ridiculous all the backsweep felt. Totally like a beach cruiser or something.


I have this thing where if I'm running a 26-30mm stem, I run zero. But if I'm using a 35mm or longer stem, I use 3-6*. But never more than 6*. I pretty much had both versions of all my bars for a long time. But my friend Wes needed my Chase zeros so off they went. I should have a lot more bars than I currently have...but other parts are needed or friends need them.

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Hi Voodoo,thanks a lot so far!I need to take a picture and post it later because I want to ride soon and as you know this has priority   I did not change any stickers, it came like this.By the way: I also have an OG Caramel 3   I really like beautiful handlebars and for my taste this is not two-piece.My main bars are custom London Bikes ones based on the Dagmar III with 2 ° upsweep and zero backsweep.I can also post pics later...
I like the Caramels. If you ever get rid of them, let me know. I want to find a extra set for my Voodoo that is coming.

I ran some Londons for a bit. Great bars. But I still run brakes and I'm an OCD lunatic about running brake cables. They can't stick up anywhere. Not even a millimeter. The Chase bars and the Caramel bars lend themselves to smooooooth cable routing. And with the low crossbar, they're both perfect for me.

Now you've got me trying to remember which London bars I was running. Possibly Queen Viks? It's gonna' be an evening of obsessing until I remember. The St. Martin Ange (Angel) and Demon bars are both really nice too. They feel really good.







Title: Re: Flatware chase gouin bars.
Post by: DaddyCool on October 09, 2019, 11:44:32 PM
Hi Voodoo,here is my Chase bar from the backside (sorry, the picture was taken in my basement without daylight, not so good this time) and my London Bikes bar for information.Sorry, I won't sell the OG bar, I like it too much. I know many riders do not understand that so well, but I have some parts that I don't even plan to use but more to collect. I bought it directly from Marton, maybe he has some left...By the way: I mailed Odyssey some weeks ago about the Chase bar and the guy could not tell me exactly. He mentioned that only the wallthickness was changed so one could not see it from outside, but I also doubt that. At Flatlandfuel for example it was mentioned that the bending radius of the support tube (leading to the grip tube area) was changed in the area where the cross bar is welded onto it. He said maybe Pat could clarify, but I didn't ask him yet.What do you think?
Title: Re: Flatware chase gouin bars.
Post by: Voodoo on October 10, 2019, 05:46:57 PM
Hi Voodoo,here is my Chase bar from the backside (sorry, the picture was taken in my basement without daylight, not so good this time) and my London Bikes bar for information.Sorry, I won't sell the OG bar, I like it too much. I know many riders do not understand that so well, but I have some parts that I don't even plan to use but more to collect. I bought it directly from Marton, maybe he has some left...By the way: I mailed Odyssey some weeks ago about the Chase bar and the guy could not tell me exactly. He mentioned that only the wallthickness was changed so one could not see it from outside, but I also doubt that. At Flatlandfuel for example it was mentioned that the bending radius of the support tube (leading to the grip tube area) was changed in the area where the cross bar is welded onto it. He said maybe Pat could clarify, but I didn't ask him yet.What do you think?


Right. I completely understand that. Some parts are impossible to part with...


No, the guy at Odyssey is wrong. They specifically said that the radius had changed. And if you look close, you can see it. The V1's are a little more "upright" like the Caramel bars...where the V2's are wider. If you put them side by side it is noticeable. Barely. But noticeable. That is the main thing I go by to determine V1's and V2's. Because most of the time, the decals are removed.


I'm thinking 99% that yours are V1's by the bend and the decals.

Title: Re: Flatware chase gouin bars.
Post by: DaddyCool on October 11, 2019, 09:03:22 PM
Of course it would be better if it was V2, but to be honest: I do not know if I will ride it at all. I always liked the design and now I have it on my wall and enjoy it. Maybe I put it on one of my "spare bikes" to test, let's see. So it is not a big deal that it is V1.So did I understand correctly: You say the support tubes (connecting crossbar area to grip tubes) are steeper for the V2, right? Because of less radius in the bend.And V2 typically have the 41 Thermal sticker in white?The only thing that is not so plausible for me is that I thought I could distinguish a sharper bend of the support tube in the crossbar area for the V1 like I would say one can see in the first picture that I posted in this thread (picture from chainreaction). In the picture from flatlandfuel the bend looks less sharp and I would say mine looks like that.Do you know what I mean?
Title: Re: Flatware chase gouin bars.
Post by: Voodoo on October 11, 2019, 10:14:43 PM
Of course it would be better if it was V2, but to be honest: I do not know if I will ride it at all. I always liked the design and now I have it on my wall and enjoy it. Maybe I put it on one of my "spare bikes" to test, let's see. So it is not a big deal that it is V1.So did I understand correctly: You say the support tubes (connecting crossbar area to grip tubes) are steeper for the V2, right? Because of less radius in the bend.And V2 typically have the 41 Thermal sticker in white?The only thing that is not so plausible for me is that I thought I could distinguish a sharper bend of the support tube in the crossbar area for the V1 like I would say one can see in the first picture that I posted in this thread (picture from chainreaction). In the picture from flatlandfuel the bend looks less sharp and I would say mine looks like that.Do you know what I mean?


There is more radius in the V2's. So when you look at them, they are wider looking and appear to have a little more space between the bars. I think the opposite of what you are thinking if I am understanding you correctly. I will take some detailed pics of my V2's tonight and post them and show you what I mean. I will also use your pics for comparison. Will be cool to have it on here anyway for anyone with future questions.
Title: Re: Flatware chase gouin bars.
Post by: DaddyCool on October 12, 2019, 11:03:16 PM
Hm, it is not so easy...I post another picture of a no B. S. version from BMX museum. By the way it seems to have the red 41T sticker at the right side like mine has.Here I marked what I call "bend of support tube" and "support tube angle".If I understand you correctly you say that the support tube angle is different for V1 and V2. This makes sense because I always understood the descriptions in a way that the bend of the support tube was changed (radius was changed) and this would affect the support tube angle.So I would like to emphasize two things:1. In the early pictures what I posted the Chainreaction model seems to have a sharper bend of the support tube than the Flatlandfuel model. Mine seems to have the less sharper bend like the Flatlandfuel model which should be V2 (like mentioned in the description).2. As far as I remember only V2 was available in 8" without backsweep and 3 ° upsweep (Isn't that the version you have?). If the end of the grip tubes are at 8" height (here Odyssey seems to measure) and we have 3 ° upsweep for the no B. S. version but 6 ° upsweep for the B. S. version, the support tube angle might be different for the no B. S. version compared to the B. S. version. Do you agree? That would make it even more difficult to distinguish...
Title: Re: Flatware chase gouin bars.
Post by: Voodoo on October 13, 2019, 01:29:40 PM



Actually, I have both versions.
The no BS and the BS.
Yes, what you said makes sense.
Sorry I didn't post pics sooner. I got my new frame and have been building it up.
Stoked.
I WILL get pics, though. ASAP. And go further in depth on the bars.
Title: Re: Flatware chase gouin bars.
Post by: Voodoo on October 13, 2019, 03:34:46 PM



Okay...
Check out this pic.
I showed how the overall bar appears to be wider on the V2's. Thus, the angles that I
highlighted in red seem to be more relaxed. The V1's seem to be more "upright". Just
slightly.


Also, that bike is in the middle of tweaking...so pardon all the cable sticking up.
Title: Re: Flatware chase gouin bars.
Post by: DaddyCool on October 13, 2019, 08:47:33 PM
Ok, got it. Could you post a picture of the.. B. S. and no B. S. version next to each other? Ok, if both are installed this is difficult...
I still wonder if the difference in the angle that you marked red might come from B. S. vs. no B. S.
What do you think of the "bend of support tube" that I described. Do you see a difference from V1 to V2 here?
 
Title: Re: Flatware chase gouin bars.
Post by: DaddyCool on October 13, 2019, 11:00:04 PM
One more aspect: Mine has got the "part number" 601 on the end of the grip tube.
Do you know if one can identify by this number? The guy from Odyssey said it could help, but he could not tell.
Title: Re: Flatware chase gouin bars.
Post by: Voodoo on October 14, 2019, 12:36:50 AM



Hmmm...I do not recall ever seeing a part number on my V2's. Ever. But I will pull the grip back and look. Do you recall what side it was on and how far into the bars?


Sorry for not elaborating...that photo is of a V2 BS bar. I just remembered that these bars were cut to 25" when I got them..so the part number could have been on the ends that got chopped.


However, I also purchased NOS No BS bars and don't recall seeing that part number on those either.


I will get pics of the No BS up ASAP for comparison.
Title: Re: Flatware chase gouin bars.
Post by: DaddyCool on October 14, 2019, 09:27:00 PM
Hi Voodoo, the numer is on the right grip tube about 1 cm from the end.
Title: Re: Flatware chase gouin bars.
Post by: Rizalflatlander on October 16, 2019, 12:58:04 PM
I have a better comparison of the two but I can’t post a picture. Says too large. Using only with Phone.


I would love to show you the pic. I have both V1 and V2 I think because of its obvious comparison.


Cheers  :beer:
Title: Re: Flatware chase gouin bars.
Post by: DaddyCool on October 16, 2019, 09:18:15 PM
Hi, this would be really helpful! Could you copy it to your computer and make it smaller (for example with Windows Paint) to post it?
Title: Re: Flatware chase gouin bars.
Post by: Rizalflatlander on October 16, 2019, 10:37:30 PM
Unfortunately, I don’t have a functional computer since I always use my phone for everything.  ;D
Can I send it to you via email? It would help.  ;D
Cheers :beer:
Title: Re: Flatware chase gouin bars.
Post by: Voodoo on October 17, 2019, 12:57:35 PM
Hi Voodoo, the numer is on the right grip tube about 1 cm from the end.


The untrimmed / uncut NO BS V2 bars do not have the number on the end of the bar. I even asked my friend Wes to check his. Nothing. At least the ones we have, anyway.
Title: Re: Flatware chase gouin bars.
Post by: Rizalflatlander on October 17, 2019, 05:13:43 PM
Here are the links for the images I have taken from my Flatware bars.
These pictures shown may have the clear comparison of the V1 and V2.
So I noticed by surprise on the bottom of the bars where one of them has welded plate, while the other did not. The bents are also different.
Cheers!


https://photos.app.goo.gl/xYPykWfn4FKg5Foa7 (https://photos.app.goo.gl/xYPykWfn4FKg5Foa7)
Title: Re: Flatware chase gouin bars.
Post by: DaddyCool on November 01, 2019, 09:05:56 PM
Thank you Rizalflatlander! I feel free to repost your pics.But which one is V1 and which V2?
Title: Re: Flatware chase gouin bars.
Post by: DaddyCool on November 01, 2019, 09:12:39 PM
What do you think about the marked area?
Voodoo, what is you opinion about the bottom area (clamping tube)?
Title: Re: Flatware chase gouin bars.
Post by: Rizalflatlander on November 02, 2019, 10:37:44 AM
Hello Daddycool,


I am not really sure which one. I just bought these two on Ebay so I can’t really identify which one is V1 and V2. All I noticed is the bent part and the bottom edge which makes the difference.


See the difference here. The bottom is smooth on the left picture while the right one is welded.


https://photos.app.goo.gl/KXtiUxJHmRxQbiCFA (https://photos.app.goo.gl/KXtiUxJHmRxQbiCFA)


https://i.ibb.co/d0vT0WV/FDF15858-3-EAF-4-A40-B483-02-F078438179.jpg (https://i.ibb.co/d0vT0WV/FDF15858-3-EAF-4-A40-B483-02-F078438179.jpg)


https://i.ibb.co/JFySg4M/268-B998-F-D841-4037-B2-A8-942-BBA00-EA83.jpg (https://i.ibb.co/JFySg4M/268-B998-F-D841-4037-B2-A8-942-BBA00-EA83.jpg)



Cheers
Title: Re: Flatware chase gouin bars.
Post by: DaddyCool on November 05, 2019, 10:30:14 PM
Thank you Rizalflatlander! This is interesting, I have never seen one with these rounded edges in the bottom area. Mine has got the visible welds.
Title: Re: Flatware chase gouin bars.
Post by: Rizalflatlander on November 08, 2019, 06:03:50 AM
Welcome Daddycool,
yeah I wonder, and the smooth one must be the V1 I guess. 🤔