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Title: Handlebars
Post by: aliasdck on June 23, 2019, 02:01:59 AM
i am thinking about getting new bars. My current bars are 23.5" wide and I'm always holding onto the grips at the very ends, such that half my palm is off the end of the bar usually. This is not a problem normally but lately I've been getting horrible blisters in the center of my palm because of the bar ends. Wider bars would correct this I think. I've tried holding the bars further in but this doesn't feel right for me.


I like the look of the St Martin High Bred bars and the specs are a good match for me. Any comments on these?


Also, I know rise is measured from center of the stem clamp bar to center of grip bar, but where along the grip bar is used when there is upsweep? Do they take point from the very end of the handlebar, since this is the highest point?
Title: Re: Handlebars
Post by: metalbmxer on June 23, 2019, 05:50:34 AM
Measured up from the clamp area to the half way point of the grip tube, even with upsweep


Edit: since they’re made by s&m they’re definitely legit. The only bars I run Are the s&m intrikat because I trust Their quality over anything
Title: Re: Handlebars
Post by: aliasdck on June 23, 2019, 06:52:27 PM
Yes s&m definitely makes good stuff. I still have a sabbath from circa 1997/1998, it'll probably outlast the cockroaches on this planet.

I am also considering the intrickats especially since they are much more affordable. I'll give it some time/thought, I don't want to rush the purchase.
Title: Re: Handlebars
Post by: aliasdck on June 24, 2019, 09:45:20 PM
My wife's car just started making strange noises when running. So I'm not going to be buying new handlebars anytime soon. :( 

Oh well, the big blisters on the center of my palm are starting to get hard, so I guess Im just developing a really big callus there which should help.
Title: Re: Handlebars
Post by: DaddyCool on June 24, 2019, 10:16:04 PM
Hi, I don't know if there is an "official" rule, but I definitely have some bars with upsweep where the height is meant from center of clamping tube to the center (of the diameter of the tube) of the grip tube at the outer end (not in the middle of the grip area). For example the Flatware Chase bar is measured like this.
Depending on the upsweep this makes a difference to the middle of the grip area and for example the bar height theoretically changes when you cut the handlebar narrower.The Sick Child Relapse for example was specified to be 8.125" high and it is 8.4" at the end of the grip tube. So I assume 8.125" was meant to the middle of the grip area.So the industry seems not to have a standard...
Title: Re: Handlebars
Post by: DaddyCool on June 24, 2019, 10:16:30 PM
Sorry about the car... I know what you mean.
Title: Re: Handlebars
Post by: aliasdck on June 24, 2019, 10:46:48 PM
I suspected that not every company would follow the same method, oh well

Would be cool if companies released scaled drawings of their parts. That way we could make our own measurements and  easily compare a new part to our old part before purchase.
Title: Re: Handlebars
Post by: metalbmxer on June 25, 2019, 03:42:56 AM
Yes s&m definitely makes good stuff. I still have a sabbath from circa 1997/1998, it'll probably outlast the cockroaches on this planet.

I am also considering the intrickats especially since they are much more affordable. I'll give it some time/thought, I don't want to rush the purchase.

yes the Intrikat's are the best value. only bar I've ridden hard that didn't crack or slip on me

I'm on the 9's and they are perfect. This is after trying 8's and 10's also

hope you get the car issue squared away, hopefully it's nothing much
Title: Re: Handlebars
Post by: eightyfivegt on June 25, 2019, 07:23:01 PM
I also run the Enduro 40mm and Intrikat 9".  I have nothing bad to say about them.  Might be the perfect strength to weight ratio. My favorite combo so far!
Title: Re: Handlebars
Post by: metalbmxer on June 25, 2019, 07:31:21 PM
I also run the Enduro 40mm and Intrikat 9".  I have nothing bad to say about them.  Might be the perfect strength to weight ratio. My favorite combo so far!

Brilliant! Mine too
Title: Re: Handlebars
Post by: aliasdck on June 26, 2019, 07:25:56 PM
I have some old parts buried deep in the garage, so I went on the hunt this morning and found some old odyssey 44 bars I forgot I had:

(http://i.imgur.com/GsM4fQm.jpg)

These measure ~25 inches wide, so they are wider then the OG caramel 2 bars that are currently on my bike (23.5 inches)

So these 44s can tie me over until I have enough $ to get the new bars. I'd prefer bars to be 26-27 inches wide, plus I'm hoping to get something taller than 8" rise. And also use a top load stem with some additional rise as well.
Title: Re: Handlebars
Post by: bmxelement90 on June 27, 2019, 04:45:27 PM
i remember when flatland fuel had intrikat bars on clearence for like 40 bucks because they had too many red ones. wish i would've got a set. don't even care if it didn't match anything on my bike lol. maybe email S&M and see if they have any blemished bars for cheaper?
Title: Re: Handlebars
Post by: aliasdck on June 28, 2019, 08:25:43 PM
I don't mind paying full price in this case, as the items are good quality from a good company, besides that way I can support both the company and flatlandfuel.

I just need to wait until I can get my wife's car issues sorted first. No biggie as I am not in a rush.
Title: Re: Handlebars
Post by: DaddyCool on June 28, 2019, 09:16:21 PM
Odyssey 44, Chase style  :P Aren't they 6° us and 6° bs?I ride 8.5" and would say higher does not make sense. Personal preference of course...
Title: Re: Handlebars
Post by: aliasdck on June 30, 2019, 06:49:20 PM
I do believe they are 6 degrees up and back sweep. They are excellent bars but I want a pair that are a little wider, these are 25" wide, I'm hoping to get some around 26-27.

As far as taller bars: I'm still not sure yet. Sometimes my current setup feels perfect other times I think taller bars might help, there are tricks where a little more room underneath the bars  might help. I'm just gonna have to try a few different setups and see what works. Time and money...
Title: Re: Handlebars
Post by: aliasdck on July 07, 2019, 04:26:32 AM
Odyssey 44, Chase style  :P Aren't they 6° us and 6° bs?I ride 8.5" and would say higher does not make sense. Personal preference of course...


Hey Daddycool just curious why you think taller might not make sense? Like you said, personal preference plays a big part obviously but I've always wondered if taller bars are better for me. During some tricks I notice that I am hunched over too much  or that there isn't enough room between my knees and the bars during certain front wheel tricks for example.

Unfortunately I have no idea either way as I have been using the same fork, stem, bar and spacer setup for many many years. I am going to buy a stem with additional rise (like a top load stem with some rise) and maybe even taller bars (currently have 7.9 might get something closer to 8.5-9) and then play around with the setup by changing bars, stem, number of spacers, etc  until I figure out wha is best for me and my current tricks.

Just curious why you think taller is not necessarily better? Obviously there is a bit of trend nowadays to have big bars that are both tall and wide, but I could care less about trends.  I'm just hoping to find through trial and error what works best for me - and I'm curious why you have the opinion you do. Thanks.
Title: Re: Handlebars
Post by: DaddyCool on July 07, 2019, 03:38:15 PM
I think the "trial and error" approach makes sense. If you play around with spacers, stems and bars you will find out what works best for you.When I switched from the Graveyard OG that I was riding for more than ten year to a Sick Child Relapse (so about one inch more height which is a lot!) I felt more comfortable in almost every front wheel trick. But there are exceptions for some tricks. When you do backwheel tricks you feel the bigger distance from grip to peg, so the ride-in into a caboose for example is different. While doing a gerator, your bike is "laying down" to the ground, i. e. the front wheel is closer to the ground. Your arm/body position when doing time machines is different...And even if it is low, I found that steping over the crossbar or doing bar hop tricks is much more difficult when you have the bar too high. In my opinion this is based on the distance peg -> grip and not only influenced by the crossbar height. This is what I felt like with the Sick Child bar and my later London custom bars (8.5") when the stem was on top of the steerer tube (185 mm) with the maximum spacers underneath. So I installed the stem a little lower (spacers on top of the stem) and it felt better for me. So I knew that 9" is not for me...By the way: I am 1.88 m and have rather long legs.
Title: Re: Handlebars
Post by: aliasdck on July 07, 2019, 08:33:58 PM
Thanks for the reply, you brought up some things I had not fully considered like how the taller bars will affect some back wheel tricks.


At the time I do not do much tricks where I have to step over or jump over the bars, so for now that isn't a concern of course this can change in the future.

So yes, trial and error is the only way I'll find what works best.
Title: Re: Handlebars
Post by: aliasdck on July 09, 2019, 07:34:00 AM
I have ordered a top load stem (this will allow me to try a higher rise with my current bars)

I had a really hard time deciding between the S&M Enduro V2 at 40mm or the Madera Mast at 36mm. Eventually decided to go with the s&m.

I'll play around with the setup a bit and see what I think then, I bet I find my current setup is best and that I don't really like change (lol) worst case I just sell the new stem and put everything back the way it was.
Title: Re: Handlebars
Post by: metalbmxer on July 10, 2019, 12:30:56 AM
I have ordered a top load stem (this will allow me to try a higher rise with my current bars)

I had a really hard time deciding between the S&M Enduro V2 at 40mm or the Madera Mast at 36mm. Eventually decided to go with the s&m.

I'll play around with the setup a bit and see what I think then, I bet I find my current setup is best and that I don't really like change (lol) worst case I just sell the new stem and put everything back the way it was.

Oh wow great choice. Keep us posted!
Title: Re: Handlebars
Post by: aliasdck on July 12, 2019, 01:00:55 AM
I put the stem on today and switched from the OG Caramel 2 bars to my older odyssey 44s. So far I am happy with the change but I'll need a few days of riding to know for sure. It is a lot of changes at once: the new stem has longer reach and also imparts more rise so it puts the handlebars further out and up then before. These bars have similar dimensions to the old ones, just a bit wider with slightly more up/back sweep.

The tricks I've tried so far have mostly felt better, or just a bit different but so far nothing bad. There appears to be more stability in certain tricks and it feels like I have more leverage I think? Not sure how to describe the feeling but it feels good. I was worried the difference between bars forward and bars backward would be too great but it isn't.

I am glad I did not go with taller bars, this setup does make the bars about 1" higher from the front axle. It feels good but I don't think I want to go any higher. Like daddycool said, I would be worried about the effect on tricks where I have to hop or step over the bars, but this isn't much an issue with my current tricks. It doesn't seem to be too much a change either for backwheel tricks, atleast the ones I've tried.
Title: Re: Handlebars
Post by: aliasdck on July 12, 2019, 04:03:37 AM
heres a photo, so many spacers below the stem! Stems these days have such low stack height and headtubes are smaller too i think, plus i never trimmed my odyssey fork stem, its still full length so lots of spacers were needed. I like the way this stem looks!

(https://i.imgur.com/O3qlPfy.jpg)
Title: Re: Handlebars
Post by: metalbmxer on July 12, 2019, 08:19:07 AM
Whoa looks great!
Title: Re: Handlebars
Post by: DaddyCool on July 12, 2019, 05:33:06 PM
Sounds good! Can you post a pic of the whole bike? I would like to see what it looks like.Did you realise a difference due to the other weight? I guess the Odyssey bar is heavier than the OG. I just had a session yesterday with (one of) my spare bike(s) and it has very similar geometry also in terms of bar position, but the stem/bar is lighter and this makes it feel different. For example when I do a hitchhiker to steamroller, the bike flips in a different way because of the decreased inertia. Hitchhikers in general feels more nervous in my opinion with a very light handlebar.
Title: Re: Handlebars
Post by: aliasdck on July 13, 2019, 04:12:16 AM
Oh you are right about the weight, checking the parts section it looks like i probably added 0.8lbs between the replaced bars and stem. To be honest i hadn't really noticed yesterday or today while riding. Maybe I will tomorrow when i ride again, now that I'm aware of it, lol. But, it ok, I've never really been concerned over weight, my bike is probably over 28 lbs so its not a lightweight anyways.

(https://i.imgur.com/gq6PtWt.jpg)
Title: Re: Handlebars
Post by: DaddyCool on July 15, 2019, 09:07:29 AM
Cool, it fits somehow. Looks good! I would say with that long steere tube and that stem, you do not need much more than 8" for the handlebar. I would consider this as high. But as we discussed, try it out ;)