English => General Flatland Forum => Topic started by: aliasdck on February 09, 2019, 08:17:32 PM

Title: Online hangout
Post by: aliasdck on February 09, 2019, 08:17:32 PM
So this place is great for staying up to date on news and current internet flat videos but this general flatland forum seems dead compared to the way I remember it being 10 years ago.

I've been out of the scene for awhile and am just getting back into it. So where is everybody hanging out online if not in here? I checked for a flatland sub on reddit and that seemed pretty dead too.

Is there some place I don't know about or is there just not many of us online these days?
Title: Re: Online hangout
Post by: khe killah™ on February 09, 2019, 11:46:31 PM
Flatmatters seems to be the place to be in the flatland world.

I think flatland has died off a bit as a whole not just the social media side.

Not many manufacturers making parts and getting parts in the UK is hard to say the least.
Title: Re: Online hangout
Post by: aliasdck on February 10, 2019, 05:43:16 PM
I feared that may be the caseI will check out flatmatters and will continue to drop by here as well. Flatland always waxes and wanes over the years, hopefully things will pick up again at some point.

Title: Re: Online hangout
Post by: nosubsteve on February 11, 2019, 12:03:56 PM
I'm in a similar boat to you, I remember a few years back the forum was much more active, the online battles etc. helped make it a hive of activity.

I mostly get my fix via insta and flatmatters these days (not a facebook fan) but will still be posting here a bit, just not expecting a lot of replies!
Title: Re: Online hangout
Post by: khe killah™ on February 11, 2019, 12:05:46 PM
If you guys have any ideas on how to generate sum more activity im happy to try and make it work?
Title: Re: Online hangout
Post by: nosubsteve on February 11, 2019, 12:30:23 PM
I reckon get something like Global Flat TV going on youtube if there isn't a channel yet, and shamelessly plug content both ways... get some of that sweet ad revenue (:P) and help promote riders and rider owned shops in the process.

I'd also like to see more how to's (or just updated) and interviews with former and current pros again...

On a philosophical note there's been a bit of a divergence between 'true' flatland and taking flatland moves to street - guys like Mateus Beckmann are a prime example - and I think that hasn't really been embraced. Considering 90% of kids are running freecoasters these days they could easily bring their skills to contests and help grow the scene, so it hasn't really become a two way street. (yet)

Oh yeah also registration for new users, hopefully there are some ways to get rid of those f*cking bots in the process.
Title: Re: Online hangout
Post by: khe killah™ on February 11, 2019, 02:07:02 PM
Sum real good suggestions in there mate!

Im gonna have a word with Martin and see what he thinks... Although i have the keys to the forum as such all changes and decisions are ultimately down to Martin.

Are let you know...
Title: Re: Online hangout
Post by: nosubsteve on February 11, 2019, 02:40:38 PM
Yeah, the nature of social media's changed a lot in the last few years, forums have taken a big hit - the weird infighting tends to be the last thing to linger, then dissipate...

Let me know if you need a hand with anything, I'm always happy to help.
Title: Re: Online hangout
Post by: khe killah™ on February 11, 2019, 02:41:48 PM
Cheers, i may just take you up on that!

Title: Re: Online hangout
Post by: khe killah™ on February 13, 2019, 04:37:28 PM
Quick snap of how relentless the spam bots are. All these attempted log ins with new accounts daily i have to go through and try and find the genuine ones  :rolleyes:

Title: Re: Online hangout
Post by: metalbmxer on February 14, 2019, 03:43:47 AM
Wow that is ridiculous had no idea it was that bad!
Title: Re: Online hangout
Post by: nosubsteve on February 14, 2019, 10:25:57 AM
Jeez... I take it there are captchas or something similar in place?
Title: Re: Online hangout
Post by: aliasdck on February 16, 2019, 06:04:59 AM
Yea that is crazy with the bots

If you guys have any ideas on how to generate sum more activity im happy to try and make it work?

Wish I knew a way. I enjoy participating in online forums, I do so with all of my hobbies/interests.
Title: Re: Online hangout
Post by: nosubsteve on February 16, 2019, 11:02:23 PM
I reckon it'd be nice to talk about all the subtleties in contest runs, so I'm hoping we see individual runs from fight the winter for a start...
Title: Re: Online hangout
Post by: aliasdck on February 17, 2019, 02:13:23 AM
Oh yea, videos of individual runs would be nice.
I remember when you could actually turn on the TV and see a few of the top flatland xgames runs on ESPN (mostly was just Trevor Meyers run then a few quick clips of the runner up) Nowadays I think seeing flatland on TV is unheard of? Guessing though, I don't watch much TV and haven't for probably 15 years.

Thank goodness for things like YouTube and Vimeo. Lots of flatland to watch.

Speaking of flatland and videos, are professional flatland videos still being made/sold? I checked flatlandfuel but it didn't seem like there was much of a dvd selection....
Title: Re: Online hangout
Post by: Rennace on February 17, 2019, 09:02:45 PM
I think a dedicated YouTube channel for Flatland bmx coverage would definitely help grow the sport.  Essentially a stream team that travels to contests, jams, and events and live streams the events.  The promotion for the live streams can be done through social media such as twitter, facebook, instagram, etc.  I'm not talking about a lazy stream I mean high quality production streams not some dude with his phone recording the event.  You would need a charismatic group of commentators, a graphics expert (to display riders name and achievements), audio technician, and ideally non static high definition cameras and people to operate cameras.  You would want to structure the live stream in a way that holds viewers attention and is accessible for new/non riders.  For example instead of downtime in between riders runs have a rider on stream doing a bike check and talking about why they use the parts they do (this really could help new riders).  You can also interview a rider or even have pre-made footage for a rider spotlight.  Another example is before the contest begins you can have a segment called podium picks where each commentator picks their top 3 and argue why they think these riders will place podium.  This educates the viewers on who the dominate riders are as well as maybe learning about a wildcard rider.  Also by live streaming you would  have a huge archive of footage to work with.  You can make highlights with the footage, post commentary videos, etc.  The YouTube channel can be funded through sponsors (ideally corporate sponsors like Redbull to secure the funds) and once it gains enough viewers it can essentially fund itself through ad monetization. 

On top of having a YouTube channel for the simple reason of providing content to riders it would be documenting flatland history...can anyone in here list the podium winners for KOG 2006? or who won the flatland world circuit in 2012 (without google searching)?  Winning a flatland contest is no longer historically important, it's literally a headline on a webpage for a day and that's that.  Go watch an NFL, NBA, or MLB game they are ALWAYS referencing and replaying old footage whether it be a great play, a memorable moment, or footage of the first time a team won a championship.  It pays homage to the older generations while at the same time educating the younger generations on who these people are and what they've accomplished.  Referencing old footage generates HYPE, I give you an example:  I remember Voodoo jam 2009  where the final was Ucchie vs. Matthias Dandois, Ucchie had won the previous year (2008) and Matthias Dandois the year before that (2007).  The winner of this battle would not only reclaim the title of Voodoo champion but would have won 2 Voodoo Jams which would tie Justin Miller for most wins at Voodoo (Miller was a 2-time Voodoo Champion 2004 and 2006).  If a stream team was around back then you could cut to previous years highlight footage of Justin's two wins, Ucchie's win in 2008 and Matthias win in 2007 before they battle and I guarantee viewers will be more invested in who wins the finals because they understand the context of the contest and realize more is at stake in the final battle.  Viewers can also revisit footage of the old contest since YouTube will pretty much be here forever while webpages that post results may be taken down.  Like I said video documentation of flatland history.

The use of media for flatland is severely lacking and we have no one to blame but ourselves.  I continuously hear old people complaining about video games and how the youth are sucked in but when you have websites like and programs like Discord which not only allow for accessible viewing but interaction within their community it's no wonder why flatland bmx cant keep up.  We aren't using these tools and resources and we need to be if we want to evolve and reach wider audiences.  I'd like to believe that the idea of a dedicated flatland YouTube channel could work and there's enough people hungry enough for flatland coverage especially if that coverage included every major contest. 
Title: Re: Online hangout
Post by: khe killah™ on February 17, 2019, 09:07:20 PM
Thats a very in depth response and i agree 100% with what your saying.

Its finding people with the time, money and equipment to get it started and make good quality productions. If any members have the resources to make a channel happen on a non profit making basis i will try to help them get going if i can.
Due to my work, i wouldnt be able to travel to events and give up that much time for nothing in return and im sure others are the same.
Not because im greedy but i simply couldnt survive without earning money from my work. Sadly its finding someone who can give that much until the channel can run and generate under its own steam.