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Title: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: Mr News Bot on May 28, 2013, 06:01:35 PM

Tim has a way of riding spots and obstacles in a completely unique way. There are some crazy tricks here, like a rolling leanback under a whole line of tractor trailers, a front flip out of a bar ride, and lots more!
(http://www.global-flat.com/upload/media/YouTube_d1J43_TXly0.jpg)
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: Rad255 on May 28, 2013, 07:47:03 PM
I swear on my life Iím not hating so save the bullsh*t please.

But I mean I donít see how hardcore flat heads can get into this. I mean for f*ck sakes the guys physical prowness is uncanny but theyíre circus tricks. I mean hes obviously got sick flat skills as you can see with the tail whips and all but I canít help but think any gymnast with a bit of time on their hands could start flipping off of bikes and all. What he does here is awesome but this is just a year in the gym away from the African guy dancing around the ten speed. Plus where is the originality? Guys have been rolling over cars for ages and didn't one of the Finnish guys front brake flip in a edit last year? Besides that its like hanging off of basketball nets and poles and all... I don't know man, that's not flatland. That's not even BMX.

Once again, not hating, just trying to bring up conversation, chill out.
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: Bau on May 28, 2013, 07:48:13 PM
I don't like his style. I believe a bike must be treated with love and respect hahah.

Of course I'd really like to have his skills, but that's another story
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: michaelbuddy on May 28, 2013, 09:16:31 PM
You guys, this Flatland video just hit the top spot front page of Reddit.com. #1 spot on a Tuesday afternoon lunch hour. This IS HUGE. He'll probably see views in the hundreds of thousands.  AND better still. People will also be seeing other flatland videos because of how youtube threads them together.
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: gino4130 on May 28, 2013, 09:40:59 PM
I think this is great.  Some true originality going on here. 
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: Rad255 on May 28, 2013, 10:33:42 PM
You guys, this Flatland video just hit the top spot front page of Reddit.com. #1 spot on a Tuesday afternoon lunch hour. This IS HUGE. He'll probably see views in the hundreds of thousands.  AND better still. People will also be seeing other flatland videos because of how youtube threads them together.

This is not a flatland video. How is this a flatland video?
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: tod miller on May 28, 2013, 11:48:36 PM
You're right Rad, this isn't a Flatland video.  It's a guy riding his bike however he wants too.  He's original, a unique rider who seems to enjoy doing things his own way.  Tim Knoll doesn't need flatland, but flatland needs guys like him.

Out of Step(you get the Minor Threat reference)
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: Phatman on May 28, 2013, 11:55:24 PM
He has Flat skills, he shows it in the video.. However i do agree this is NOT Flatland, I think its brilliant however, so much skill on a bike & to use the obstacles around him in such an impressive fashion is definitely not easy. Its kinda like Parkour (SP?) with a bike? Does that make sense?
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: masonmar on May 29, 2013, 12:53:34 AM
His style sort of reminds me of Eddie Roman. Raw and fun.
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: efxman on May 29, 2013, 01:13:42 AM
It's called freestyle or it use to be but now everyone breaks things into little sub groups and rips this Tom apart for being creative and yes original.  He is looking at a bike in a unique way that brings something fun to the sport.  I have always loved Tom's stuff and am glad that this site posts his videos.  Skills and creativity, a rare thing nowadays.  To me the creative part is always the hardest.
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: getzfafive on May 29, 2013, 01:35:54 AM
I showed this video to my brother and he said it reminded him of WILLIAM SPENCER


WILLIAM SPENCER-HOLLARADO! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BT_45XGhE1o#)



Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: JUGGARNAUT on May 29, 2013, 04:29:28 AM
AWESOME!!!! Hes riding, who cares he isnt doing all the same cookie cutter BS we usually get dumped on us.
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: Rad255 on May 29, 2013, 04:34:26 AM
No doubt Tim is a boss. I'm just saying, this isn't "Video of the Year" like Effraim was saying, and no I don't think he's the Dark Knight of Flatland with the whole "flatland needs him" thing. It's fun and awesome and all but if anything it's detrimental to flatland. Obviously dude can do whatever the f*ck he wants to do on a bike, but I don't even want it associated with flatland. I'm "the flatland guy" with in the group of street kids and they're all asking me to do flip and sh*t off of my bike because they saw this video and think it's flat. You know those douche bags that roll down the road and see you cruising and holler "DO A BACK FLIP!"? This is their dream. This kid will do a backflip for them. He will do the f*ck out of a backflip for them lol.
Once again, do what you wanna do, not hating at all, have fun on your bike or whatever, but keep this sh*t away from flat man.
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: Rad255 on May 29, 2013, 04:38:15 AM
He has Flat skills, he shows it in the video.. However i do agree this is NOT Flatland, I think its brilliant however, so much skill on a bike & to use the obstacles around him in such an impressive fashion is definitely not easy. Its kinda like Parkour (SP?) with a bike? Does that make sense?

And I can agree with this.
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: Booroo on May 29, 2013, 12:41:11 PM
When Matthias started bringing street oriented tricks it became fashion. When some other guy rides freestyle people start calling it non-flatland. Kinda strange for me.
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: Rad255 on May 29, 2013, 01:22:44 PM
When Matthias started bringing street oriented tricks it became fashion. When some other guy rides freestyle people start calling it non-flatland. Kinda strange for me.

Ololollllooollolll. When Matthias started bringing in street tricks? Lol what? Hold on Chad Degroot, Paul Osicka and a whole generation of riders might have a problem with that. Even before that lol. Come on guy stop that.
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: blind on May 29, 2013, 06:16:02 PM
good lord I havent been on this page in forever and 5 seconds back first thing I see is rad still making dumb ass comments....  I mean lets be real here. Tim video has blown the f*ck up and shown ppl A LOT of flatland tricks. True its not all flatland but you can say there is none in there either. Had 5 ppl inbox me that doesnt ride bikes at all about his video yesterday. da f*ck have you done for flatland? has anyone ever even seen you ride? Let the guy do his thing my god. Hatin from the side lines is f*cking lame af...
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: D on May 29, 2013, 09:15:48 PM
There's something about what Tim is doing that resonates with regular, non-flatlander, people, and that is a great thing.  For whatever reason it seems to translate a bit better than just the usual fast pumping front wheel spin with big switches thrown in between. 

I think his riding is some of the most creative, interesting, and groundbreaking done today.  His edits are always entertaining and memorable. In a sport that claims to value creativity over everything else, I'm surprised at some of the comments here.  Things that make you say "hey, that's pretty cool, why have I never thought of that?" are good too.  People can't say "flatland is all about creativity" then try to hem in what creativity is okay and what's not. 

Tim's doing bike tricks on flat ground for most of that edit.  Some of them are pretty difficult.  How is this NOT flatland? 
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: thestraw on May 29, 2013, 09:32:07 PM
No doubt Tim is a boss. I'm just saying, this isn't "Video of the Year" like Effraim was saying, and no I don't think he's the Dark Knight of Flatland with the whole "flatland needs him" thing. It's fun and awesome and all but if anything it's detrimental to flatland. Obviously dude can do whatever the f*ck he wants to do on a bike, but I don't even want it associated with flatland. I'm "the flatland guy" with in the group of street kids and they're all asking me to do flip and sh*t off of my bike because they saw this video and think it's flat. You know those douche bags that roll down the road and see you cruising and holler "DO A BACK FLIP!"? This is their dream. This kid will do a backflip for them. He will do the f*ck out of a backflip for them lol.
Once again, do what you wanna do, not hating at all, have fun on your bike or whatever, but keep this sh*t away from flat man.
tim is a honeybadger and you are a cobra.  he IS a true flatlander and i sure as hell would rather ride w/ him than your closed minded self.  please post a vdo of you riding so i can make fun of it
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: Burd on May 29, 2013, 09:34:59 PM
I hope the way this vid has blown up on Youtube is a big "eff you" to 2hip bikes.  They "signed" Tim a couple of years ago if I remember correctly, and then they never hooked him up with anything.  Now look what they're missing out on.  Tim is a genius regardless of how you want to classify his riding.  I hope he starts to get the recognition he deserves...
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: thestraw on May 29, 2013, 09:40:59 PM
I showed this video to my brother and he said it reminded him of WILLIAM SPENCER


WILLIAM SPENCER-HOLLARADO! ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BT_45XGhE1o#[/url])





i'm a big fan of the mile high sk8 ninja as well, tim can be the brew city flat ninja.  richie jackson is another sk8'er who doesnt give a f*ck, does what he wants and is uber creative
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Cb5U66T1m3o# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Cb5U66T1m3o#)!
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: flat1ander on May 29, 2013, 09:53:41 PM
good lord I havent been on this page in forever and 5 seconds back first thing I see is rad still making dumb ass comments....  I mean lets be real here. Tim video has blown the f*ck up and shown ppl A LOT of flatland tricks. True its not all flatland but you can say there is none in there either. Had 5 ppl inbox me that doesnt ride bikes at all about his video yesterday. da f*ck have you done for flatland? has anyone ever even seen you ride? Let the guy do his thing my god. Hatin from the side lines is f*cking lame af...

Wow, you nailed it. I couldn't have put it better myself. Wanted to see what the reception of this video was on the forum... now I remember why I don't come on here anymore.
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: clone0001 on May 29, 2013, 10:08:48 PM
"I'm not hatin' but I'm gonna pointlessly sh*t all over this edit."
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: Bri-jon on May 30, 2013, 12:08:38 AM
I'm loving the skate videos, keep them coming. As for Tim I dont care its a BMX and he has a love for it. I'm surprised no one is hating him for using 6inch high bars?  :P  or that his trousers are not tight enough.
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: Stereolab on May 30, 2013, 12:24:18 AM
Tim Knoll's videos never fail to put a smile on my face.  That was outstanding.
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: Therapy on May 30, 2013, 02:35:39 AM
Im with Rad on this one I think its gimmicky i think there is maybe 2 tricks in there that qualify as original and i think it appeals to the lowest common denominator.The hype its getting is beyond me call me an old purist with a bias for technical capacity but there are so many more hardcore impressive riders out there deserving there shine getting no attention and why? because they refuse to sacrifice or dilute there riding down to roly poly gimmicks.I rarely say this but big up Rad for having the balls to think and speak out on this one as for the rest of you and your trademark hurrrr praise or yooz haterz well we know how that goes.As a result of this video i expect way more kids getting into flatland! yeah good thing right! now they can learn gimmicky sh*te instead of actually pushing trick boundaries to.I love Tim mind and its true doing your own thing is great and encouraged but for me there needs to be a balance of skill and idea and for me skids and landing on flat down bikes is not it, any of my parkour friends can do that first go no effort. i only say this because i know some of you struggle to grasp the concept of separating criticism from personal attack.

+1
Completely agree.
And I can do all of Tim knolls "tricks". I did them all today. I don't want to film it because it's embarrassing.

Does this guy need to have obstacles like lampposts and parked cars to ride every day.
How will he do all that in a contest run.

Stupid tricks.
FAIL.
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: efxman on May 30, 2013, 02:46:05 AM
Glad to see we bike riders are such a tight group with the up most respect for one another, seriously you people are ragging on Tim cause you dont consider it flatland specific.  Maybe you should list what tricks are no longer flatland specific so that all progression can come to a complete halt.  A tail whip use to be a flatland trick then it went to ramp than came back as a whopper (bunny hop tailwhip) so is that flatland?  He rides a bike, awesome, he is good, awesome, he is creative, awesome!  So why are people down on this.  Hey Chad Johnson you better stop riding pegless then, you know flatland is only with pegs.
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: Rad255 on May 30, 2013, 03:15:02 AM
 Hey look, close minded people. Should I be surprised or?
/thread
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: Therapy on May 30, 2013, 03:18:21 AM
good lord I havent been on this page in forever and 5 seconds back first thing I see is rad still making dumb ass comments....  I mean lets be real here. Tim video has blown the f*ck up and shown ppl A LOT of flatland tricks. True its not all flatland but you can say there is none in there either. Had 5 ppl inbox me that doesnt ride bikes at all about his video yesterday. da f*ck have you done for flatland? has anyone ever even seen you ride? Let the guy do his thing my god. Hatin from the side lines is f*cking lame af...

Are you dumb? WTF is this gimmicky sh*t DOING for FLATLAND. It's not even flatland ffs.
He's shown a lot of people FLATLAND tricks? HOW?
5 people inboxed you yesterday? oh wow!. did any of them buy a bike and start riding? NO?
 
And I pray that no one gets inspired by this gimmicky sh*t and tries doing it .  And ends up killing themselves .     This video should be taken off  youtube for that very reason. 
  This isn't the image FLATLAND should present to the masses. It gives bmxers a bad name. And borders on vandalism.
 
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: Therapy on May 30, 2013, 03:26:22 AM


I think his riding is some of the most creative, interesting, and groundbreaking done today.  His edits are always entertaining and memorable. In a sport that claims to value creativity over everything else, I'm surprised at some of the comments here.  Things that make you say "hey, that's pretty cool, why have I never thought of that?" are good too.  People can't say "flatland is all about creativity" then try to hem in what creativity is okay and what's not. 


This is so Dumb.
I guess The D in your name stands for Dumbo. Dumbo Dumberson.
 
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: Bri-jon on May 30, 2013, 04:00:22 AM
someone on facebook not long ago back in England taged me in it. So I guess its making its rounds.


I loved it this week Terry Adams was on my Boxee Box best of youtube or vimeo thing that popped up.


I dont care what it is but its a BMX that's all I care about. Yeah I prefer flat, But I don't bash the trail riders racers, vert riders. I have many friend who just love BMX. If someone found another way to do tricks (even if he stole them) meh.


I didnt invent any of my tricks.


If one kid goes wow Dad I want a BMX as I can do more with it than an ps3 then I think hes done his job.


(ps I have a ps3  ;D [size=78%] )[/size]
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: Bri-jon on May 30, 2013, 04:02:58 AM

I think his riding is some of the most creative, interesting, and groundbreaking done today.  His edits are always entertaining and memorable. In a sport that claims to value creativity over everything else, I'm surprised at some of the comments here.  Things that make you say "hey, that's pretty cool, why have I never thought of that?" are good too.  People can't say "flatland is all about creativity" then try to hem in what creativity is okay and what's not. 




Creativity in flatland = the extension of existing ideas or manipulation of existing techniques into something unorthodox, it does not = one foot time machine with other foot in rollerboot and traffic cone on head.


Bahahaha BEST mental image EVER ! ! !
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: blind on May 30, 2013, 04:39:46 AM
good lord I havent been on this page in forever and 5 seconds back first thing I see is rad still making dumb ass comments....  I mean lets be real here. Tim video has blown the f*ck up and shown ppl A LOT of flatland tricks. True its not all flatland but you can say there is none in there either. Had 5 ppl inbox me that doesnt ride bikes at all about his video yesterday. da f*ck have you done for flatland? has anyone ever even seen you ride? Let the guy do his thing my god. Hatin from the side lines is f*cking lame af...

Are you dumb? WTF is this gimmicky sh*t DOING for FLATLAND. It's not even flatland ffs.
He's shown a lot of people FLATLAND tricks? HOW?
5 people inboxed you yesterday? oh wow!. did any of them buy a bike and start riding? NO?
 
And I pray that no one gets inspired by this gimmicky sh*t and tries doing it .  And ends up killing themselves .     This video should be taken off  youtube for that very reason. 
  This isn't the image FLATLAND should present to the masses. It gives bmxers a bad name. And borders on vandalism.
 

yall some dumb f*cks foreal. reason I left this page in the first place. bunch off ppl that sit behind screens and prob dont even ride talking sh*t for the sake of talking sh*t. unless you can top it you have no place to run your mouth period. Let me know next time Rad or yourself gets on the front page of reddit or has the number of riders re post your video on fb that this video has gotten. This video has gotten love from some of the biggest names in bmx. I think their opinions kind of out way mystery people that I'll never see a video from. ask youself this....can you do it? can you top it? can you put a video out that comes any where near the feed back his videos have got? NO? ok then .but in case you feel like posting your video Ill keep an eye out.....dont worry ill wait.....
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: blind on May 30, 2013, 04:41:07 AM
funny all the riders that ride has left this page and all that remains are the sh*t talkers.... (goes back to riding)
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: clone0001 on May 30, 2013, 05:12:46 AM
@Rad255
You want to know what I think is more "detrimental" to flatland than just some guy posting a video of himself on the internet, riding BMX the way he wants to? (Of course you do. You wanted to have a conversation.) You. You sh*tting all over it in hopes of this so-called "conversation." You giving the impression to people that haven't considered riding BMX, much less pulled their first trick, that flatland is less about fun and more about progression. You dismissing someone else's riding that attempts to be fun while blurring the lines between street, flatland, and generally f*cking around because they're not pulling tricks out from the tiny box you've labelled flatland. So it's not flatland? So f*cking what?
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: Rad255 on May 30, 2013, 05:16:16 AM
good lord I havent been on this page in forever and 5 seconds back first thing I see is rad still making dumb ass comments....  I mean lets be real here. Tim video has blown the f*ck up and shown ppl A LOT of flatland tricks. True its not all flatland but you can say there is none in there either. Had 5 ppl inbox me that doesnt ride bikes at all about his video yesterday. da f*ck have you done for flatland? has anyone ever even seen you ride? Let the guy do his thing my god. Hatin from the side lines is f*cking lame af...

Are you dumb? WTF is this gimmicky sh*t DOING for FLATLAND. It's not even flatland ffs.
He's shown a lot of people FLATLAND tricks? HOW?
5 people inboxed you yesterday? oh wow!. did any of them buy a bike and start riding? NO?
 
And I pray that no one gets inspired by this gimmicky sh*t and tries doing it .  And ends up killing themselves .     This video should be taken off  youtube for that very reason. 
  This isn't the image FLATLAND should present to the masses. It gives bmxers a bad name. And borders on vandalism.
 

yall some dumb f*cks foreal. reason I left this page in the first place. bunch off ppl that sit behind screens and prob dont even ride talking sh*t for the sake of talking sh*t. unless you can top it you have no place to run your mouth period. Let me know next time Rad or yourself gets on the front page of reddit or has the number of riders re post your video on fb that this video has gotten. This video has gotten love from some of the biggest names in bmx. I think their opinions kind of out way mystery people that I'll never see a video from. ask youself this....can you do it? can you top it? can you put a video out that comes any where near the feed back his videos have got? NO? ok then .but in case you feel like posting your video Ill keep an eye out.....dont worry ill wait.....

I'm not a good rider. I'm not a mystery. I don't hide behind anything. Everyone knows me. I'm always at contests. I got nothing to hide and never will. With the being said, what does that have to do with my opinion of this guys riding? I can't do his sh*t that's true. But you can't do his sh*t and the "biggest names" most likely can't do his sh*t either. So by your rules why should anyone give two f*cks about your opinion or theirs as well?

Stop getting so butt hurt. Stop getting so sad. Nothing new here. Someone makes a point and almost every single time like clockwork a bunch of guys run in waving their arms and screaming at the top of their lungs all sh*tty and mad, taking it personal like I just called their mother a whore or something. Get over it. I'm trying to make a point, while obviously giving the guy all the credit in the world, obviously a good rider, obviously creative and all that.

I think the sh*t is cheesy. And I don't think it's flatland. If you don't like that, I am completely cool with that. I'm cool with that because I'm tolerant and I think even though people don't share my opinions they still might have something interesting or relevant to say.

Now come on give me some more of that sweet sweet butt hurt. Gimme more "yall dumb as f*cks" or something else equally retarded.
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: Rad255 on May 30, 2013, 05:17:15 AM
@Rad255
You want to know what I think is more "detrimental" to flatland than just some guy posting a video of himself on the internet, riding BMX the way he wants to? (Of course you do. You wanted to have a conversation.) You. You sh*tting all over it in hopes of this so-called "conversation." You giving the impression to people that haven't considered riding BMX, much less pulled their first trick, that flatland is less about fun and more about progression. You dismissing someone else's riding that attempts to be fun while blurring the lines between street, flatland, and generally f*cking around because they're not pulling tricks out from the tiny box you've labelled flatland. So it's not flatland? So f*cking what?

Hey look another guy who's butt hurt and doesn't care to read anything. I didn't dismiss dudes riding at all.
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: clone0001 on May 30, 2013, 05:25:15 AM
@Rad255
You want to know what I think is more "detrimental" to flatland than just some guy posting a video of himself on the internet, riding BMX the way he wants to? (Of course you do. You wanted to have a conversation.) You. You sh*tting all over it in hopes of this so-called "conversation." You giving the impression to people that haven't considered riding BMX, much less pulled their first trick, that flatland is less about fun and more about progression. You dismissing someone else's riding that attempts to be fun while blurring the lines between street, flatland, and generally f*cking around because they're not pulling tricks out from the tiny box you've labelled flatland. So it's not flatland? So f*cking what?

Hey look another guy who's butt hurt and doesn't care to read anything. I didn't dismiss dudes riding at all.

Actually, I've read every post in this thread. In fact, I even read this one:

I swear on my life Iím not hating so save the bullsh*t please.

But I mean I donít see how hardcore flat heads can get into this. I mean for f*ck sakes the guys physical prowness is uncanny but theyíre circus tricks. I mean hes obviously got sick flat skills as you can see with the tail whips and all but I canít help but think any gymnast with a bit of time on their hands could start flipping off of bikes and all. What he does here is awesome but this is just a year in the gym away from the African guy dancing around the ten speed. Plus where is the originality? Guys have been rolling over cars for ages and didn't one of the Finnish guys front brake flip in a edit last year? Besides that its like hanging off of basketball nets and poles and all... I don't know man, that's not flatland. That's not even BMX.

Once again, not hating, just trying to bring up conversation, chill out.
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: Rad255 on May 30, 2013, 05:28:16 AM
@Rad255
You want to know what I think is more "detrimental" to flatland than just some guy posting a video of himself on the internet, riding BMX the way he wants to? (Of course you do. You wanted to have a conversation.) You. You sh*tting all over it in hopes of this so-called "conversation." You giving the impression to people that haven't considered riding BMX, much less pulled their first trick, that flatland is less about fun and more about progression. You dismissing someone else's riding that attempts to be fun while blurring the lines between street, flatland, and generally f*cking around because they're not pulling tricks out from the tiny box you've labelled flatland. So it's not flatland? So f*cking what?

Hey look another guy who's butt hurt and doesn't care to read anything. I didn't dismiss dudes riding at all.

Actually, I've read every post in this thread. In fact, I even read this one:

I swear on my life Iím not hating so save the bullsh*t please.

But I mean I donít see how hardcore flat heads can get into this. I mean for f*ck sakes the guys physical prowness is uncanny but theyíre circus tricks. I mean hes obviously got sick flat skills as you can see with the tail whips and all but I canít help but think any gymnast with a bit of time on their hands could start flipping off of bikes and all. What he does here is awesome but this is just a year in the gym away from the African guy dancing around the ten speed. Plus where is the originality? Guys have been rolling over cars for ages and didn't one of the Finnish guys front brake flip in a edit last year? Besides that its like hanging off of basketball nets and poles and all... I don't know man, that's not flatland. That's not even BMX.

Once again, not hating, just trying to bring up conversation, chill out.

Ok and what did you miss? The part where I said... "I mean hes obviously got sick flat skills" or the other time when I said... "obviously a good rider, obviously creative"? You must be... excuse the pun here... "blind".


Edit: Oh wait you also missed "No doubt Tim is a boss" and "Obviously dude can do whatever the f*ck he wants to do on a bike" Oh and "I mean for f*ck sakes the guys physical prowness is uncanny" and oh " What he does here is awesome".
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: clone0001 on May 30, 2013, 05:32:43 AM
Baffled.
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: Rad255 on May 30, 2013, 05:38:41 AM
Baffled.
I'd say.
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: blind on May 30, 2013, 05:39:24 AM
good lord I havent been on this page in forever and 5 seconds back first thing I see is rad still making dumb ass comments....  I mean lets be real here. Tim video has blown the f*ck up and shown ppl A LOT of flatland tricks. True its not all flatland but you can say there is none in there either. Had 5 ppl inbox me that doesnt ride bikes at all about his video yesterday. da f*ck have you done for flatland? has anyone ever even seen you ride? Let the guy do his thing my god. Hatin from the side lines is f*cking lame af...

Are you dumb? WTF is this gimmicky sh*t DOING for FLATLAND. It's not even flatland ffs.
He's shown a lot of people FLATLAND tricks? HOW?
5 people inboxed you yesterday? oh wow!. did any of them buy a bike and start riding? NO?
 
And I pray that no one gets inspired by this gimmicky sh*t and tries doing it .  And ends up killing themselves .     This video should be taken off  youtube for that very reason. 
  This isn't the image FLATLAND should present to the masses. It gives bmxers a bad name. And borders on vandalism.
 

yall some dumb f*cks foreal. reason I left this page in the first place. bunch off ppl that sit behind screens and prob dont even ride talking sh*t for the sake of talking sh*t. unless you can top it you have no place to run your mouth period. Let me know next time Rad or yourself gets on the front page of reddit or has the number of riders re post your video on fb that this video has gotten. This video has gotten love from some of the biggest names in bmx. I think their opinions kind of out way mystery people that I'll never see a video from. ask youself this....can you do it? can you top it? can you put a video out that comes any where near the feed back his videos have got? NO? ok then .but in case you feel like posting your video Ill keep an eye out.....dont worry ill wait.....

I'm not a good rider. I'm not a mystery. I don't hide behind anything. Everyone knows me. I'm always at contests. I got nothing to hide and never will. With the being said, what does that have to do with my opinion of this guys riding? I can't do his sh*t that's true. But you can't do his sh*t and the "biggest names" most likely can't do his sh*t either. So by your rules why should anyone give two f*cks about your opinion or theirs as well?

Stop getting so butt hurt. Stop getting so sad. Nothing new here. Someone makes a point and almost every single time like clockwork a bunch of guys run in waving their arms and screaming at the top of their lungs all sh*tty and mad, taking it personal like I just called their mother a whore or something. Get over it. I'm trying to make a point, while obviously giving the guy all the credit in the world, obviously a good rider, obviously creative and all that.

I think the sh*t is cheesy. And I don't think it's flatland. If you don't like that, I am completely cool with that. I'm cool with that because I'm tolerant and I think even though people don't share my opinions they still might have something interesting or relevant to say.

Now come on give me some more of that sweet sweet butt hurt. Gimme more "yall dumb as f*cks" or something else equally retarded.

everyone knows you? no everyone ON THIS PAGE knows a screen name. thats it. bottom line is if you cant top it dont knock it. Im not "butt hurt" I just think its insane this guy puts out a video and gets awesome feed back from a ton of great riders and a sh*t load of ppl not even into bikes and heres some fat f*ck that puts 99% of his flatland life is behind a computer talking sh*t. If you cant do one part of one thing in this video who the f*ck cares about your opinion? keep your negative ass comments to yourself and let that dude do him.
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: Rad255 on May 30, 2013, 05:43:51 AM
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Where have you been boss? I talked to many many many of the people on this forum in real life. I'm actually fairly sure we've met before. I'm not fat and I actually ride. I'm sorry you don't agree with my opinion. That's all cool with me.
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: blind on May 30, 2013, 05:55:38 AM
to be 100% I straight up thought u was someone else but I still dont see the point in knocking this mans video. But knowing tim im sure hes not losing sleep so do you
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: sakis on May 30, 2013, 07:34:57 AM
Well all i have to say is that the first day i saw the video tuesday afternoon the video had 320 views,yesterday it had 300.000+ views same hour,now it has 1.400.000+ views...Imagine how many million views it will have in a week... its not the most hard tricks you cant do but this is not the point.
The point is that some kids will start ride bmx flatland because of it.
Also tim will probably make some money from this,or he cant find some sponsors easier.And i give him congratulations for this.Plus for doing his thing that is original and it looks he is having fun..
tim if you read this keep it up  :beer:  and do your thing...
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: locky on May 30, 2013, 08:43:39 AM
Shame the same people keep poping up in this forum talking things down. Seems these handful of people are getting to regular and they claim in other post the forums gone downhill. The rest of us can cleanly see whos bringing it down. If you guys arent happy with how things are find another place. Keep you sh*t talk on facepoop.

Just think theres people out there who are actually doing things.
You just here " talking " about doing things.

As for the video i have things to say but some idiot will just qoute it and pick it apart and wiki some sh*t and try to look smart with some dictionary definitions.

Regardless of flat or not. Its still diferent. Gimicks win fans.

Original is what all freestylers are about aint it. Yet we bag anyone doing something original.
One kid watchs this on youtube and its not long till his related video section is full of flatland videos.

Mabye theres just to many matthias clones. Who lack the open mind

Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: locky on May 30, 2013, 12:50:57 PM
Gary quitter you really are messed up.
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: Therapy on May 30, 2013, 12:52:00 PM
Blind is in denial. Gary quitter is OWNING . Blind thinking popularity = skills / talent.
By that logic - Is Justin Beiber the greatest because everyone loves him?
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: Flatgod on May 30, 2013, 12:53:16 PM
Look, nowhere on the video is it labeled or classified as "flatland" so I don't think that is the issue here. What I see is some guy doing what people might like to call "freestyle" and I think this classification is fitting. Tim Knoll has nearly 2 million views at this point and I have no problem with this either, but what I do have a problem with is that if he deserves that many views and that much recognition, then there are several other riders out there (of ALL disciplines) that deserve much more recognition than this but they don't. So let's be honest people; he's getting the views because Joe Public thinks the riding is great, but I don't really think this is the case for most riders.
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: D on May 30, 2013, 04:35:46 PM
This is EXACTLY why this stupid sport is going nowhere, and exactly why the rest of BMX is so much more successful than us.

We can't refuse to do things that people would like to see, then turn around and complain that no one wants to see what we are doing.     

One guy finally does something that the public likes to see, is wildly popular, and very first thing the purists do is say that it's not cool enough to be considered good.  Someone does something creative and different, and the first thing they do is say that it's not creative enough in the right way.   I've been in this sport for 25 years, and I've never seen as much mainstream appeal as this guy is able to generate.  That's worth paying attention to. 

How many views did your edit of front wheel spinning tricks get?

Define a "circus" trick vs. a "real" trick anyway.  A blender seems pretty circusy to me.           

Some of the stuff Tim was doing in the edit was a little tongue in cheek goofy, but there was definitely some creative stuff going on there for sure.  The darkside stuff was cool looking, quite creative, didn't involve any props, and had some difficulty there, and is a total departure from what most flatland looks like these days.  I would guess that less than 1% of you on this site could do most of those links.  How many of you under 30 can even do a barride?   

But here's a question, kids: 

Do you want flatland to be something that someone can make a living doing? 

Or do you want it to be a weird, super technical oddity that can't support a pro class, only performed and appreciated by a bunch of obsessed weirdos?             

Here's the deal kids:  Mainstream BMX wants mostly nothing to do with us.  Pro ramp riders live in posh custom houses and drive multiple imported sports cars, date hot Hollywood stars, make hundreds of thousands of dollars, and get flown to exotic destinations in luxury, to compete in world televised contests less than 5-10x a year for hundreds of thousands of dollars in prize money. 

On the other hand, 99% of OUR most successful pro riders make probably a tenth of that, and only do so by doing hundreds of school safety/drug awareness shows, circling the country in sh*tty panel vans with 300K miles on them dozens of times a year for 50 weeks a year.   

Some pro level flatlanders have their spouses be the main income earner.  Some work other jobs.  Some live in squalor with a bunch of other riders in a house.  Some move to the Emerald Triangle and start a grow op.  Some, sadly, still live with their parents well into adulthood, shirking responsibilities and life in favor of whiplashes in empty parking lots as 40 year old man children.  But out of every one I've ever met in this sport, there's only been TWO guys who made a decent adult life doing flatland tricks, and they do it by endlessly touring either elementary school safety shows to do blenders in carpeted gymnasiums, or college tours to do hitchhikers in front of confused frat boys.       

Flatland as a profession has been on life support since Hoffman pulled the plug on the X Games 10 years ago.  Sure, someone might win $500 at this contest or that contest, usually not even enough money to pay for travel expenses to even BE there, and anyone not living with their mom would know that.  Flatland as profession, at least in the United States, is DEAD unless you're talking about a carnival attraction or a school safety show feature.

And we have no one to blame but ourselves.  People are so focused on doing something difficult that they're totally contemptuous of something that LOOKS GOOD and is FUN TO WATCH.  IF we want flatland to be something that someone can do as a profession and make a decent living doing, we're going to HAVE to start showing people things THAT THEY WANT TO SEE.  That doesn't mean doing something that's intentionally goofy or stupid, but it does mean that people don't really appreciate flatland in it's current form.  People don't care, and they don't really want to see it.

We're like comedians who blame their audience for not laughing at their jokes.   

It would be nice to see flatland become a real professional sport again, but in fifteen years flatland will be in the same place it's always been, a bunch of pissy, angry, antisocial weirdos mad at the world because no one can understand how much harder the full barflip kickflip is than the half barflip kickflip, wondering why their new barflip combo won't earn them the $200 they owe for rent, when Jaime Bestwick just bought another house with the winnings from another Dew Tour stop.       
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: D on May 30, 2013, 05:09:36 PM
Freddie, I don't see how anything we're doing currently doesn't already make us look like circus freaks.

Spinning in circles on a tiny child's bicycle on one wheel? 
Jumping around the the same tiny bike in incredibly technical links? 
Balancing in weird an unusual positions? 
Spending thousands of hours learning links that 99% of people don't even understand? 

It only doesn't seem circusy to us because we see those things all the time.  To the rest of the world, it's an incredibly weird activity that can only be appreciated for a few minutes before everything looks the same.  Truth be told, many people think that spending thousands of hours at the cost of every other aspect of one's life in order to master an activity that gets little to no rewards is more in line with severe mental illness.  Unfortunately some of our best riders most absolutely show symptoms of severe bipolar and obsessive compulsive disorder. 

Anyway, I don't see how what Tim is doing is making a mockery of flatland just for doing something that people find entertaining.  Just because it doesn't fit your definition of what riding should be doesn't mean it isn't any good.   


How is he debasing the community?  You make it sound like he stole something from you. 


 
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: blind on May 30, 2013, 05:31:14 PM
considering all the people that are coming at me are quoting things I said 3 years ago on here im guessing your someone I got into a argument with 3 years ago but your using a new name? Am I right? Is that why you have each have under a 100 post and backing each other up? thought so. if you are who im pretty sure you are yes you are a straight up hater who would pick a argument with me over anything. If I said 2+2 is 4 you would disagree just for the sake of trolling me. To busy for your childish sh*t. End of the day Tim is a beast and sh*tting on anything you will ever put out. period. Have a good day trolling.
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: Therapy on May 30, 2013, 05:34:17 PM
I thoroughly agree with Gary.
 
Tim is making flatland look like a massive gimmick.  a one trick pony.
 
As soon as the novelty wears off to the masses, we'll be left back where we were, with nothing.
 
same as Matt Wilhelm and his Murica's got talent sh*t, having to wear a suit, making us look slightly cool to the dumb masses, but in reality when regular plebs try it for an hour, and realise how hard it is, they go back to their razor scooters and wood pushing.
 
I'm sorry but there's too much pussy footing and ego padding going on in this community, and as a veteran it makes me f*cking sick to my stomach.
 
1. Tim. you can ride, but ultimately you're making us look like a bunch of circus freaks.
2. there's nothing original or merit worthy in the video. all of the flip tricks can be done by anyone who can do a frontflip, which let's face it aren't hard. and the non flip tricks are circa 1980's plywood hoods material, and quite frankly are now borderline gay tricks.

 
We've got to stop making a f*cking mockery of our sport for the sake of consumerism. we're not f*cking prostitutes, we're supposted to be sportsmen, apparently.
 
you don't see f*cking Tiger woods doing trick shots on the putting green wearing disco pants doing throwbacks to f*cking Happy Gilmore do you? no.
 


stop f*cking debasing the community to the lowest denominator to f*cking serve your own means.


 
(http://i.imgur.com/ACqddDX.gif)
 
+1
Blind and D are a bunch of sell out bitches .
 
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: Therapy on May 30, 2013, 05:40:48 PM
Freddie, I don't see how anything we're doing currently doesn't already make us look like circus freaks.

Spinning in circles on a tiny child's bicycle on one wheel? 
Jumping around the the same tiny bike in incredibly technical links? 
Balancing in weird an unusual positions? 
Spending thousands of hours learning links that 99% of people don't even understand? 

It only doesn't seem circusy to us because we see those things all the time.  To the rest of the world, it's an incredibly weird activity that can only be appreciated for a few minutes before everything looks the same.  Truth be told, many people think that spending thousands of hours at the cost of every other aspect of one's life in order to master an activity that gets little to no rewards is more in line with severe mental illness.  Unfortunately some of our best riders most absolutely show symptoms of severe bipolar and obsessive compulsive disorder. 

Anyway, I don't see how what Tim is doing is making a mockery of flatland just for doing something that people find entertaining.  Just because it doesn't fit your definition of what riding should be doesn't mean it isn't any good.   


How is he debasing the community?  You make it sound like he stole something from you. 


 

 I have no problems recommending fork glides and mccircles to beginners.
As for,  doing stupid sh*t off lamp posts or almost decapitating themselves under a truck? You want kids to be inspired by this gimmicky bullsh*t? rolling on cars and throwing your bike and doing flips on a basket ball rim.
Is that what we want people to be inspired by?[/quote]
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: blind on May 30, 2013, 05:48:23 PM
Yo Blind, you any good at graffiti yet? or still painting your walls in your house because you suck?

lets see ive done walls for Coca Cola, Dillards, Vitamin Water, Star 104, Countless local business, City of Atlanta, yeah id say Im doing ok..... hows that whole dub step career working out for you .....?
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: blind on May 30, 2013, 05:51:43 PM
3 years later you guys still trolling me and dick riding each other wow. All kidding aside yall some sad human beings for real. (goes back to real world)
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: blind on May 30, 2013, 05:56:39 PM
yawn. goes back to work
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: blind on May 30, 2013, 06:08:26 PM
work? looking like you?...jobless bum
A.you know sh*t of how I look and if you do thats really sad and strange.
B. I work 7 days a f*cking week. mon- fri for a design office, on the weekends for RMS Titanic and paint about every night.  Dont tell me sh*t about not working.
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: blind on May 30, 2013, 06:09:55 PM
ok u wasted 5 min of my time u win goodbye
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: Therapy on May 30, 2013, 06:14:12 PM

Circus acts are much more presentation based and rarely delve into the technical aspects so youre not entirely accurate.f*ck the rest of the world thats exactly the point we shouldn't be doing this to get claps from crowds who dont give a sh*t in the first place but just want 10 minutes entertainment how dare anybody be prepared to piss on the integrity of flatland to be nothing more than a crowd pleaser (like a clown) Its all in the presentation and riders control that and frankly its riders choosing to sell themselves short.People dont understand much tbh shall we all stop bothering to progress and stick to simple tricks for the thick f*cks?


Conquest and intellectual pursuits must seem alien to you in this finite extremly short life if you cant grasp the logic in the prioritised urgency and dedication top guys put in to chasing fulfilment and answer the question of potential of which you only have one f*cking chance to discover btw then its you who has the problem.By whose standard are you making judgements anyway? society will have you believe anyone who is not "balanced" ie obedient worker , relationship,hobby 2 nights a week aiming for the same western ideological goals is mentally ill its frankly a f*cking joke.How dare you question the purity that is a pioneering riders conquest not polluted by the abstract pursuit of petit wealth gain.

Wow. This deserves a standing ovation! APPLAUSE!
ENCORE!
Very wise words.
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: jm on May 30, 2013, 07:04:38 PM
Tim didn't make this edit for money, nor was it a publicity stunt. He's ridden like this for years. He's unique, and he's doing his own thing for his own progression and ideas. If you don't like the video, please don't insult Tim or other members because of your feelings.


It makes me sad to hear people publicly voicing these awful personal attacks on other riders just because they have a problem with an edit that falls outside the box. Is this a flatland edit? In my opinion it's not, exactly. I posted the video because it's enjoyable to watch and there are tricks and stunts in here that I've never seen before. In short, it's fun. It's a video that anyone can access and enjoy, and I think that's why it's gone viral.


If you don't like an edit, please do not bring down the forum with tangential flaming and personal attacks on other riders. It says nothing about the forum - it speaks volumes about the individuals.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion even if they dislike this video. That's fine, but let's be reasonable and respectful please.

This is a place for riders of all ages, backgrounds, and locations to come together to talk. Let's please make an effort to keep arguments and the like between individuals out of the public threads. They leave a bad taste in everyone's mouth who reads them, and are better handled privately.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: tod miller on May 30, 2013, 07:11:55 PM
I showed this video to my brother and he said it reminded him of WILLIAM SPENCER


WILLIAM SPENCER-HOLLARADO! ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BT_45XGhE1o#[/url])





i'm a big fan of the mile high sk8 ninja as well, tim can be the brew city flat ninja.  richie jackson is another sk8'er who doesnt give a f*ck, does what he wants and is uber creative
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Cb5U66T1m3o#[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Cb5U66T1m3o#[/url])!






A lot of good skate action here.  If I could ride a bike like anyone, it'd be Richie Jackson.  Wait?  What?  Yeah, I want to bite his skate tricks for my BMX. 
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: jm on May 30, 2013, 07:53:09 PM

I havent seen a single personal attack on Tim in this  thread.Your point works both ways can the ciritcal people stay respectful and can the positivity children please make arguments minus there silly emotions this way we can maybe have an actual discussion about this controversial video.

I found this to be a fairly scathing personal attack on Tim, and there's more - I just don't want to keep bringing it up.

I thoroughly agree with Gary.
 
Tim is making flatland look like a massive gimmick.  a one trick pony.
 
As soon as the novelty wears off to the masses, we'll be left back where we were, with nothing.
 
same as Matt Wilhelm and his Murica's got talent sh*t, having to wear a suit, making us look slightly cool to the dumb masses, but in reality when regular plebs try it for an hour, and realise how hard it is, they go back to their razor scooters and wood pushing.
 
I'm sorry but there's too much pussy footing and ego padding going on in this community, and as a veteran it makes me f*cking sick to my stomach.
 
1. Tim. you can ride, but ultimately you're making us look like a bunch of circus freaks.
2. there's nothing original or merit worthy in the video. all of the flip tricks can be done by anyone who can do a frontflip, which let's face it aren't hard. and the non flip tricks are circa 1980's plywood hoods material, and quite frankly are now borderline gay tricks.

 
We've got to stop making a f*cking mockery of our sport for the sake of consumerism. we're not f*cking prostitutes, we're supposted to be sportsmen, apparently.
 
you don't see f*cking Tiger woods doing trick shots on the putting green wearing disco pants doing throwbacks to f*cking Happy Gilmore do you? no.
 


stop f*cking debasing the community to the lowest denominator to f*cking serve your own means.

 
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: D on May 30, 2013, 08:24:59 PM
Intellectual pursuits seem alien to me?  I have a master's degree from one of the most difficult engineering schools in the country, and a degree in psychology, so no one would debate that I've spent plenty of time in school, might I add more than just about any bike rider you're likely to encounter.   Where did you go to school?

On top of that I've been riding since 1988.   

I am not making a judgment.  I'm making an observation.  The information came from medical doctors.  Any first year medical intern would be able to diagnose the behaviors of several big name pros as most definitely OCD.  It's a fact that the kind of obsessive focus that lets you repeat the same trick 10000 times for 12 hours a day every day is exactly the same thing as the people who have to count the ceiling tiles every time they leave the room.  That's not a judgment on the way someone lives their life, that's a medical fact.     

I don't question the value or fun of our sport, Gary.  For 25 years I've spent just as many hours in lonely parking lots trying to learn stuff as anyone else here.  I've traveled the world, made friends, had a bit of success, won contests, lost contests, made a bit of money from shows here and there, overcame injuries and fear, angry pedestrians, security guards, etc.  I even got some coverage in Chad Johnston's vids and in a few issues of Ride and Ride UK.   My bike taught me patience, focus, creativity, balance, mechanics, and determination.  I wouldn't be the person I am today if it wasn't for bike riding.       

What bothers me as I approach middle age is seeing the devastation that undying focus bike riding has left in it's wake.  It's like all this creativity and positive energy can only be focused toward learning progressively more difficult bike tricks, and that leads to monumental unhappiness as we age.   

With no way to generate any real income from flatland, too many focused, talented and determined men spend their entire lives dedicated to a practically useless and strange adolescent skill at total expense of family, loved ones, careers, and every other positive aspect of their lives.  I've seen so many horrible divorces, joblessness, depression, addiction..... man children who are 40+ years old and totally unable handle the responsibility paying the electric bill, let alone all other aspects of being an adult.  Men with no practical skills in life.  Men who struggle to pay for food, clothing, shelter.... anything because of either unwillingness or inability to do anything other than bike tricks in a parking lot.   These people aren't balanced, because they either can't or won't take care of their own situation and needs apart from bike tricks.

I don't care how good you are at whiplashes, there's NO pride in that and if that's the purity that you're talking about, then I genuinely feel sorry for you.             

At any rate, let's get back to Knoll.  Why is being a crowd pleaser such a bad thing?  Doesn't a painter want to create a painting that people want to LOOK at?  Doesn't a band want to write a song that people want to hear?  Sure, some of creativity is creation for personal satisfaction, but creativity doesn't happen in a vacuum. 

Is difficulty the only measure of value in a bike trick?  Or creativity?  Or both?

Why shouldn't we be doing this, at least sometimes, to get claps and accolades and financial return?  If we did, we wouldn't have to work another, less fun, job, and could ride more.  Someone could always do the performance stuff for money and the hard, more progressive stuff other times.  I don't see why what would be such a bad thing. 

Can you explain specifically why what Knoll is doing is clownish but a grown man spinning on a tiny bicycle isn't? 

What is the "integrity of flatland"?

In the end Gary, the sport mainly consists of single men in their 20's hanging out in empty parking lots and garages, trying to impress each other.  Kinda weird, huh?
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: EZChris on May 30, 2013, 08:37:23 PM
I wrote something but I redacted it for the sake of saving time:




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Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: EZChris on May 30, 2013, 08:45:35 PM
Plus mentioning you have a degree in ANY conversation is kind of light starting a sentence with "I'm a Christian, but..." or saying "I have loads of black friends" after making a borderline racist remark.
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: D on May 30, 2013, 09:00:07 PM
I was called out as being uneducated, I took offense.   
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: D on May 30, 2013, 09:13:23 PM
No one like being called untrue things, Freddie.  But the the guy doesn't know me, so it's not worth getting upset about.


 



Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: indyBarber73 on May 30, 2013, 10:26:23 PM
Tims Rad!!! had the pleasure of seeing it in person at Milwaukee jams last 3 yrs.... keep being who you are bro!!!
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: MICHELE on May 30, 2013, 11:28:37 PM
 

This is EXACTLY why this stupid sport is going nowhere, and exactly why the rest of BMX is so much more successful than us.

We can't refuse to do things that people would like to see, then turn around and complain that no one wants to see what we are doing.     

One guy finally does something that the public likes to see, is wildly popular, and very first thing the purists do is say that it's not cool enough to be considered good.  Someone does something creative and different, and the first thing they do is say that it's not creative enough in the right way.   I've been in this sport for 25 years, and I've never seen as much mainstream appeal as this guy is able to generate.  That's worth paying attention to. 

How many views did your edit of front wheel spinning tricks get?

Define a "circus" trick vs. a "real" trick anyway.  A blender seems pretty circusy to me.           

Some of the stuff Tim was doing in the edit was a little tongue in cheek goofy, but there was definitely some creative stuff going on there for sure.  The darkside stuff was cool looking, quite creative, didn't involve any props, and had some difficulty there, and is a total departure from what most flatland looks like these days.  I would guess that less than 1% of you on this site could do most of those links.  How many of you under 30 can even do a barride?   

But here's a question, kids: 

Do you want flatland to be something that someone can make a living doing? 

Or do you want it to be a weird, super technical oddity that can't support a pro class, only performed and appreciated by a bunch of obsessed weirdos?             

Here's the deal kids:  Mainstream BMX wants mostly nothing to do with us.  Pro ramp riders live in posh custom houses and drive multiple imported sports cars, date hot Hollywood stars, make hundreds of thousands of dollars, and get flown to exotic destinations in luxury, to compete in world televised contests less than 5-10x a year for hundreds of thousands of dollars in prize money. 

On the other hand, 99% of OUR most successful pro riders make probably a tenth of that, and only do so by doing hundreds of school safety/drug awareness shows, circling the country in sh*tty panel vans with 300K miles on them dozens of times a year for 50 weeks a year.   

Some pro level flatlanders have their spouses be the main income earner.  Some work other jobs.  Some live in squalor with a bunch of other riders in a house.  Some move to the Emerald Triangle and start a grow op.  Some, sadly, still live with their parents well into adulthood, shirking responsibilities and life in favor of whiplashes in empty parking lots as 40 year old man children.  But out of every one I've ever met in this sport, there's only been TWO guys who made a decent adult life doing flatland tricks, and they do it by endlessly touring either elementary school safety shows to do blenders in carpeted gymnasiums, or college tours to do hitchhikers in front of confused frat boys.       

Flatland as a profession has been on life support since Hoffman pulled the plug on the X Games 10 years ago.  Sure, someone might win $500 at this contest or that contest, usually not even enough money to pay for travel expenses to even BE there, and anyone not living with their mom would know that.  Flatland as profession, at least in the United States, is DEAD unless you're talking about a carnival attraction or a school safety show feature.

And we have no one to blame but ourselves.  People are so focused on doing something difficult that they're totally contemptuous of something that LOOKS GOOD and is FUN TO WATCH.  IF we want flatland to be something that someone can do as a profession and make a decent living doing, we're going to HAVE to start showing people things THAT THEY WANT TO SEE.  That doesn't mean doing something that's intentionally goofy or stupid, but it does mean that people don't really appreciate flatland in it's current form.  People don't care, and they don't really want to see it.

We're like comedians who blame their audience for not laughing at their jokes.   

It would be nice to see flatland become a real professional sport again, but in fifteen years flatland will be in the same place it's always been, a bunch of pissy, angry, antisocial weirdos mad at the world because no one can understand how much harder the full barflip kickflip is than the half barflip kickflip, wondering why their new barflip combo won't earn them the $200 they owe for rent, when Jaime Bestwick just bought another house with the winnings from another Dew Tour stop.       


in my opinion the fact that flatland don't make money is a good thing.
like others said, for me it should remain the purest possible and i actually couldnt care less if people don't like it .i don't want it to grow just in number of riders but in a wrong way i don't undestand why a lot of people seem to be wanting for flatland to became popular.
you say that if you dont get income from something but put lots of efforts in it you are crazy,
i think that by your logic i prefer to be crazy than to be completely absorbed by the sh*tty  world predominat system.
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: thestraw on May 30, 2013, 11:43:30 PM
Still doesnt attact Tim he attacks his riding etc but doesnt attack tim the individual anyways i have a question for anyone who can answer me..... How does a video go viral? It doesnt happen solely by word of mouth anymore there must be investment somewhere along the line can anyone shed light?


it made the front page of reddit. he didnt set out to make money it just happened by accident.
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Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: locky on May 31, 2013, 12:27:43 AM
Theres not a single peanut in these trolls sh*ts.
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: ride_flat43 on June 03, 2013, 07:51:44 PM
Truth be told, many people think that spending thousands of hours at the cost of every other aspect of one's life in order to master an activity that gets little to no rewards is more in line with severe mental illness. 
 
Average person spends 34 hours a week watching tv. Average pro level rider rides 25 hrs a week or less. Who's the real mental case?
 
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: ride_flat43 on June 03, 2013, 07:57:06 PM
It's a fact that the kind of obsessive focus that lets you repeat the same trick 10000 times for 12 hours a day every day is exactly the same thing as the people who have to count the ceiling tiles every time they leave the room.  That's not a judgment on the way someone lives their life, that's a medical fact.     


Doing whatever it takes to reach a goal is the same as pointlessly counting tiles?
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: Flatgod on June 03, 2013, 11:15:03 PM
It's a fact that the kind of obsessive focus that lets you repeat the same trick 10000 times for 12 hours a day every day is exactly the same thing as the people who have to count the ceiling tiles every time they leave the room.  That's not a judgment on the way someone lives their life, that's a medical fact.     


Doing whatever it takes to reach a goal is the same as pointlessly counting tiles?

Yeah, its not as if people doing other sports or arts don't spend this much time or more with their activity, but for some reason when we do it, we're "crazy".
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: ride_flat43 on June 04, 2013, 12:33:49 AM
It's a fact that the kind of obsessive focus that lets you repeat the same trick 10000 times for 12 hours a day every day is exactly the same thing as the people who have to count the ceiling tiles every time they leave the room.  That's not a judgment on the way someone lives their life, that's a medical fact.     


Doing whatever it takes to reach a goal is the same as pointlessly counting tiles?

Yeah, its not as if people doing other sports or arts don't spend this much time or more with their activity, but for some reason when we do it, we're "crazy".
D deems to have a lot of contempt for people who spend time doing something that they simply find fulfilling. He believes people should only spend time on activities that can earn them money. He sounds as if he's full of regret, thinking he wasted time riding flatland. My assumption is that he got into it hoping it would someday be huge and he could make lots of money. Either that or he's pissed that he doesnt have the free time to be at current pro level.
 
He thinks pro flatlanders should change their way of riding so they can make a better living riding flatland. If you have to ride a style you dont want to ride then you wouldnt be making a living doing what you love to do. Might as well just get a normal job instead.
 
If everyone rode like Tim Knoll its quite possible that an edit of spinny turbining tricks would go viral.
 
I like Tims riding, its entertaining and shows what an incredible apparatus a bicyle is but I can see why some people might be annoyed that their style isnt as appreciated.
 
 
 
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: psycho beach on June 04, 2013, 02:02:53 PM
It's a fact that the kind of obsessive focus that lets you repeat the same trick 10000 times for 12 hours a day every day is exactly the same thing as the people who have to count the ceiling tiles every time they leave the room.  That's not a judgment on the way someone lives their life, that's a medical fact.     


Doing whatever it takes to reach a goal is the same as pointlessly counting tiles?

Yeah, its not as if people doing other sports or arts don't spend this much time or more with their activity, but for some reason when we do it, we're "crazy".
D deems to have a lot of contempt for people who spend time doing something that they simply find fulfilling. He believes people should only spend time on activities that can earn them money. He sounds as if he's full of regret, thinking he wasted time riding flatland. My assumption is that he got into it hoping it would someday be huge and he could make lots of money. Either that or he's pissed that he doesnt have the free time to be at current pro level.
 
He thinks pro flatlanders should change their way of riding so they can make a better living riding flatland. If you have to ride a style you dont want to ride then you wouldnt be making a living doing what you love to do. Might as well just get a normal job instead.
 
If everyone rode like Tim Knoll its quite possible that an edit of spinny turbining tricks would go viral.
 
I like Tims riding, its entertaining and shows what an incredible apparatus a bicyle is but I can see why some people might be annoyed that their style isnt as appreciated.
 
 
 
D comes off sounding like a bitter lil b with a superiority complex. Anyone who calls the sport stupid on this forum needs to stfu, gtfo and stay tfo.

This edit is a great reminder of how awesome this sport is. Alexis Desolneux, Alex Jumelin, Dane Beardsly, Denes Katona and Tim Knoll just to name a few have such vastly different styles. What other extreme or action sport could offer this level of diversity?
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: Rad255 on June 04, 2013, 04:15:37 PM
Why is this thread still kicking?
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: D on June 04, 2013, 05:20:45 PM
I don't feel like I'm superior to people, but what I AM is realistic about flatland and not particularly optimistic about its future as a professional SPORT (not as an activity or a hobby)  That doesn't mean I don't like BMX.  There isn't one thing I've said that isn't true.

There's nothing wrong with doing something just for personal satisfaction.  What I was talking about was people quite literally throwing EVERYTHING else in life away to do an activity that ONLY gives personal satisfaction.  Being able to do 10 whiplashes but unable to care for yourself isn't a positive thing.  That's not a good life choice.
     
I wish flatlanders could make more money that they currently do. I'd love it if the K or Chase were as well financed as Kelly Slater or Rodney Mullen.   

There's nothing wrong with riders trying to do things that the audience would want to see in order to make themselves more successful, especially if the alternative is having to work a low paying, menial job that is less fun and less rewarding than bike riding and would take away from riding time.       

I'm not regretful about my BMX career at all.  I can honestly say that I accomplished everything I wanted to do.   
Outside of bikes, I have a creative job I actually like, and I find it quite rewarding. 
(I also fought with my teeth to get there, which would NOT have happened if I had spent all my days working on halfpackers. ) 

Here's some universal truths we'd all be better off just accepting: 

Flatland isn't something people can make a living doing, at least in the United States, unless you want to travel 50 weeks a year doing school safety shows. There isn't enough money in flatland contests to make a living. 

Flatland as a professional sport took a huge hit 10 years ago when it was dropped from the X Games.

Flatland is NEVER going to get more attention than ramp riding, in either mainstream media or the regular BMX media. No matter how fast you spin or how hard your tricks are. 

Flashy tricks are ALWAYS going to get more attention than super technical tricks that are more difficult.

No matter how hard and progressive the trick you are doing right now is, in five years someone who's younger than you will call it lame and dated.  Even in our own little culture, what we do is very ephemeral - it's art that doesn't hold it's value, even though you have to work and work and work in order to learn a new trick.       

Flatland, for some reason, is a magnet for many wayward and troubled kids.  Many flatlanders have major difficulties in other areas of life.   

Most flatlanders are somewhat eccentric, many are downright strange.

Many flatlanders have such a single minded focus on progression and increasing difficulty, coupled with a social element that mainly puts them around other riders who share their same value system, that they tend to forget how foreign and hard to understand flatland is to anyone who doesn't ride.

People will not understand the difficulty of what you are doing.  This does not make them small minded or uncreative. It means you are part of a very small niche within a niche sport that is almost impossible to appreciate unless you also participate in it.   

That's the worst of it. 

But IF you can deal with all these facts, then flatland can be a very fun, rewarding activity.  It's still one of my favorite things.  Exercise, creativity, freedom, patience, determination, focus, camaraderie, balance....it's all parked in the garage.
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: 2flat2furious on June 04, 2013, 08:50:27 PM
Neat video.

It's not flatland, but it doesn't seem to me that Tim concerns himself with calling his riding one thing or another. He just does stuff on his bike. That's cool. That's what he's always done. I don't really see why it merits the level of debate that's going on here.



Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: psycho beach on June 04, 2013, 09:33:13 PM
Re
I don't feel like I'm superior to people, but what I AM is realistic about flatland and not particularly optimistic about its future as a professional SPORT (not as an activity or a hobby)  That doesn't mean I don't like BMX.  There isn't one thing I've said that isn't true.

There's nothing wrong with doing something just for personal satisfaction.  What I was talking about was people quite literally throwing EVERYTHING else in life away to do an activity that ONLY gives personal satisfaction.  Being able to do 10 whiplashes but unable to care for yourself isn't a positive thing.  That's not a good life choice.
     
I wish flatlanders could make more money that they currently do. I'd love it if the K or Chase were as well financed as Kelly Slater or Rodney Mullen.   

There's nothing wrong with riders trying to do things that the audience would want to see in order to make themselves more successful, especially if the alternative is having to work a low paying, menial job that is less fun and less rewarding than bike riding and would take away from riding time.       

I'm not regretful about my BMX career at all.  I can honestly say that I accomplished everything I wanted to do.   
Outside of bikes, I have a creative job I actually like, and I find it quite rewarding. 
(I also fought with my teeth to get there, which would NOT have happened if I had spent all my days working on halfpackers. ) 

Here's some universal truths we'd all be better off just accepting: 

Flatland isn't something people can make a living doing, at least in the United States, unless you want to travel 50 weeks a year doing school safety shows. There isn't enough money in flatland contests to make a living. 

Flatland as a professional sport took a huge hit 10 years ago when it was dropped from the X Games.

Flatland is NEVER going to get more attention than ramp riding, in either mainstream media or the regular BMX media. No matter how fast you spin or how hard your tricks are. 

Flashy tricks are ALWAYS going to get more attention than super technical tricks that are more difficult.

No matter how hard and progressive the trick you are doing right now is, in five years someone who's younger than you will call it lame and dated.  Even in our own little culture, what we do is very ephemeral - it's art that doesn't hold it's value, even though you have to work and work and work in order to learn a new trick.       

Flatland, for some reason, is a magnet for many wayward and troubled kids.  Many flatlanders have major difficulties in other areas of life.   

Most flatlanders are somewhat eccentric, many are downright strange.

Many flatlanders have such a single minded focus on progression and increasing difficulty, coupled with a social element that mainly puts them around other riders who share their same value system, that they tend to forget how foreign and hard to understand flatland is to anyone who doesn't ride.

People will not understand the difficulty of what you are doing.  This does not make them small minded or uncreative. It means you are part of a very small niche within a niche sport that is almost impossible to appreciate unless you also participate in it.   

That's the worst of it. 

But IF you can deal with all these facts, then flatland can be a very fun, rewarding activity.  It's still one of my favorite things.  Exercise, creativity, freedom, patience, determination, focus, camaraderie, balance....it's all parked in the garage.
When you refer to everyone as kids you sound like you're talking down to everyone.

Anyone from the 80's should know that flatland can only thrive off of participation. Not many non riders are going to continually watch edits and attend contests no matter what we're doing. The popular styles are the types of riding that people find the most enjoyable. I love this edit but these types of tricks arent suited for most and we would end up being hassled by the cops as much as skaters are.

Most show riders do more basic versions of their usual style of tricks in shows. Its one thing to do one or two tricks that you may not enjoy for the sake of the audience but to learn an entire routine of tricks you dont enjoy doing and maintaining that on top of the tricks you actually enjoy could slow progress more than a regular job. Most jobs at least have set hours and locations to plan your riding sessions and spots around.

For all we know, those who dedicate their lives to flat may have been bums otherwise. Wierd, eccentric people don't typically get very far in life anyway.
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: Flatride on June 04, 2013, 11:48:14 PM
Agree.

Nice riding, I like it. Other people seem to like it too.

Neat video.

It's not flatland, but it doesn't seem to me that Tim concerns himself with calling his riding one thing or another. He just does stuff on his bike. That's cool. That's what he's always done. I don't really see why it merits the level of debate that's going on here.




Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: thestraw on June 05, 2013, 12:34:47 AM
being as how i grew up riding w/ D i wonder what he thinks of the fact i completely screwed off ever having a 'real' job cuz i like halfpackers, fun and living my life on my terms more than job security or materialism
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: locky on June 05, 2013, 02:01:45 AM
I think this discussion and bitching in this thread probly should continue elsewhere.
Start a new thread in open talk.
This thread got way of topic. Many times
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: VisionStreetWear on June 05, 2013, 05:50:39 AM
Neat video.

It's not flatland, but it doesn't seem to me that Tim concerns himself with calling his riding one thing or another. He just does stuff on his bike. That's cool. That's what he's always done. I don't really see why it merits the level of debate that's going on here.

This...exactly this.  :beer: TJ

I think this discussion and bitching in this thread probly should continue elsewhere.
Start a new thread in open talk.
This thread got way of topic. Many times

and this.   :beer: locky
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: Flatgod on June 05, 2013, 05:54:22 AM
D, for some reason you still have this misconception about us. Many of us are not the eccentric weirdos that you think we are and plenty of us have lives outside of riding -- school, jobs, spouse, kids, you name it, and this applies to many of the pros as well.

And even if many of us are eccentric, big f*cking deal. There are many successful eccentric people out there of all disciplines in life.
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: ortho on June 05, 2013, 05:57:23 AM
What happened? This thread just went on a tangent. Is it really that problematic when something you were done with anyway veers off-topic? Flatland minds run wild.
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: ortho on June 05, 2013, 06:21:21 AM
It's midnight here and I'm nursing the tire burns so it's ok to talk.
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: VisionStreetWear on June 06, 2013, 10:22:21 PM
Flatland minds run wild.

haha ;D
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: Gary quitter on June 07, 2013, 11:15:06 AM


For all we know, those who dedicate their lives to flat may have been bums otherwise. Wierd, eccentric people don't typically get very far in life anyway.


What does get far in life even mean?Once again we are back at this silly socially constructed gauge of "success" .
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: Sequencebmx on June 07, 2013, 04:19:43 PM
If you truly believe you're born free then this "measure" of success is completely irrelevant. D, you sound like a washed up has been, who never was, and are still trying to justify your decisions by claiming the ones who have chosen to BE (Pro) are somehow misguided, delinquent, or otherwise social misfits. We shouldn't decide what is successful for each other provided our close proximity doesn't cause some physical, financial, or emotional harm to each other. By the way, I am certainly not homeless or a burden on society; furthermore, neither is anyone I know that rides the O.G. in Austin. The point to that is..... I guess by your standards, we are all normal and successful..... yuppidy f*cking do da.

Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: D on June 07, 2013, 07:44:38 PM

Aaron, that seems a little unnecessary.  Why do you think that what I've said is based on me being washed up or bitter about what did or didn't happen with my bike riding? I'm certainly not the least bit bitter about the time I spent riding.  I like it and still ride sometimes.   It's not like I missed out on some huge Nike contract or something.  Flatland as a U.S. professional sport has been dead for years, and it's not like there was huge opportunity even when it existed.         
 
I don't think I've ever met many of the Austin guys, from what you say they obviously they don't fit what I was talking about earlier in the thread, so no one should think I'm talking about them. 


I can tell you though that I've seen so many crushingly sad stories involving riders my age continually making decisions either directly or indirectly related to the "flatland lifestyle" that screw up their lives.  It upsets me so badly I don't even want to ride sometimes, because it makes me see this fun, positive thing as an incredibly negative thing.  It's not everyone, but it's a big enough percentage of people I've known to be a concern, especially as we get on towards middle age.  Maybe it's not bike riding specifically, but the people drawn to bike riding, I don't know. 


You're right though, if someone is happy to only do time machines over and over again straight on into their 60's, not bothering anyone else, but at the expense of all other areas of their entire lives, then whatever, good for them.  They're adults, they can make their own decisions.  But most reasonable people wouldn't think that's a great decision though, and it's hard to sit here and smile and nod and act like it is.
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: Sequencebmx on June 07, 2013, 08:28:20 PM
I was a bit harsh but I find it hard to believe you could possibly know all these flatlanders that screwed their lives up because of flatland. You might as well lump every sport into your theory. How many Baseball, Basketball or Football players can you name that have f*cked their lives up? I bet I can name more from each of those sports while understanding the number of professional athletes from each and breaking it down into a percentage proving that this is bogus when compared to the rest of athletics. Even still, did they really f*ck up or is this your perception of how WE should live life?
Title: Re: Original Bike Tricks from Tim Knoll
Post by: 2flat2furious on June 07, 2013, 09:33:55 PM
I can't even think of a rider who f*cked up their life to ride flatland. You should name names D because I have no idea who you are referring to.