English => General Flatland Forum => Topic started by: Mr News Bot on March 27, 2011, 09:20:09 PM
Title: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: Mr News Bot on March 27, 2011, 09:20:09 PM
Fantastic new Matthias Dandois Flat Street edit which was filmed this winter by Hadrien Picard for Red Bull. (http://www.global-flat.com/upload/media/2011-01-28-16-21-491px.jpg)
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: Lee on March 27, 2011, 09:54:13 PM
cool
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: JUGGARNAUT on March 27, 2011, 09:57:22 PM
if you keep up with street these days..theres so much of the "street" he did already on video,if not all of it by others, as far as his "contest run tricks", we've seen this many times from him is all. ...;D
pic related...
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: Lee on March 27, 2011, 10:07:51 PM
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: tod miller on March 27, 2011, 10:13:57 PM
Fnckin' dope.
Really, really love seeing his take on riding. :beer:
Proper quality video aswell.
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: Limited on March 27, 2011, 10:16:46 PM
Respect. and f*ck the haters .they don't ride anyway
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: JUGGARNAUT on March 27, 2011, 10:20:07 PM
With all the zombies that drink RB, they'd better come with the best in visuals...that was probably a $250,000 spot... you guys think this is so current, go check out Standard Country from SBC. you'll even see some 900's.....;D I am not sayin he cant ride, jus sayin it's all been done before..
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: Limited on March 27, 2011, 10:29:17 PM
I am not sayin he cant ride, jus sayin it's all been done before..
i don't think people arent saying that some of his stuff hasnt been done before,but these tricks all to be in one person.Is a different subject I believe.
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: ZAVAR on March 27, 2011, 10:30:50 PM
I liked it video in Russia and Ukraine a lot of fans is masturbate to this edit :ph34r:
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: JUGGARNAUT on March 27, 2011, 10:32:37 PM
I am not sayin he cant ride, jus sayin it's all been done before..
i don't think people arent saying that some of his stuff hasnt been done before,but these tricks all to be in one person.Is a different subject I believe.
I want to point out that Matthias did all of this brakeless too, whereas Standard Country everyone used brakes.
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: jm on March 27, 2011, 11:24:40 PM
that was one hell of an edit! his flow is incredible.
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: JUGGARNAUT on March 28, 2011, 12:27:41 AM
I am not sayin he cant ride, jus sayin it's all been done before..
i don't think people arent saying that some of his stuff hasnt been done before,but these tricks all to be in one person.Is a different subject I believe.
I want to point out that Matthias did all of this brakeless too, whereas Standard Country everyone used brakes.
11 years ago...and not ALL of it was with brakes.... The point was that it has been done..you want brakeless examples...Cory Jarmin...... hell even degroot does this kind of stuff on the Miracle Boy vid..Look at what Macchio is doin/has done...Because he's a pro doin what has been done it's somehow cooler or he is THEE originator? I simply said it's just not that cool is all..never said he cant ride, wow Tod, U MAD BRO? with the reference to SBC, Ratboy did ALL of this BRAKELESS and WITHOUT THE HELP OF A FREECOASTER.. ;D
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: clone0001 on March 28, 2011, 04:33:54 AM
^ 'tard
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: blind on March 28, 2011, 05:17:16 AM
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: Ultraman Zoffy on March 28, 2011, 05:39:35 AM
Even if a hater like Juggarnaut wanted to claim that Matthias is no big deal because he's not "originating" on street and comparable stuff was being done back in the days of Standard Country, the argument fails because no one in that video also dominated pro flatland at the same time, on an international level no less. I love Ratboy's riding tons, but it's not like he or anyone else Juggs has fond memories of was traveling around the world and blowing up pro flatland. Keep trying to turn back that bmx clock though, Juggs. We wouldn't want to deny you your purpose in life.
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: JUGGARNAUT on March 28, 2011, 12:38:59 PM
Collier..ring a bell? Osicka.. yeah, they didn't count.Ya'll can't deny we've seen all that flat stuff from every comp, edit and video part from him for the last 2 years..and AGAIN, for the non readers on here..I never said he couldn't ride. He has skills, it's just nothing new is all.. your name calling is only perpetuating the negitivity that is trying to be extinguished around here.. you can lie to everyone on here, but ya can't lie to yourselves.;D zoffy, just because he's the dominating rider these days, that makes it all better than whats BEEN DONE? to bite and do the same ol' tricks that were done at least 11 years ago... c'mon, no logic there. doin a flat manuever "on the street" , doesn't make you Street. Refer to Keiths T-shirt design. Garret Byrnes does most,if not all of this...Brad Simms ect... If you can't have a decent discussion about this and have to resort to name calling , have fun, I said all I have to say. ;D
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: morgan on March 28, 2011, 01:33:34 PM
Well, I liked it, and love the way the lines are getting blurred in riding these days. Remember, everything is cyclical, so flat coming 'back' is just nature's way!
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: Nails on March 28, 2011, 02:18:31 PM
juggs please post a video of someone riding that looks as cool as he does in this video?
He makes it look so good, thats why I enjoy watching him
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: fit. on March 28, 2011, 02:43:51 PM
nice
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: Burd on March 28, 2011, 03:47:13 PM
Is it OK to like Standard Country and this? Just checking.
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: paulophilippines on March 28, 2011, 05:00:55 PM
hey i cant watch the video.. :angry: does anyone know if its available on vimeo or youtube? thanks. ;D
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: Lee on March 28, 2011, 05:25:25 PM
Collier..ring a bell? Osicka.. yeah, they didn't count.Ya'll can't deny we've seen all that flat stuff from every comp, edit and video part from him for the last 2 years..and AGAIN, for the non readers on here..I never said he couldn't ride. He has skills, it's just nothing new is all.. your name calling is only perpetuating the negitivity that is trying to be extinguished around here.. you can lie to everyone on here, but ya can't lie to yourselves.;D zoffy, just because he's the dominating rider these days, that makes it all better than whats BEEN DONE? to bite and do the same ol' tricks that were done at least 11 years ago... c'mon, no logic there. doin a flat manuever "on the street" , doesn't make you Street. Refer to Keiths T-shirt design. Garret Byrnes does most,if not all of this...Brad Simms ect... If you can't have a decent discussion about this and have to resort to name calling , have fun, I said all I have to say. ;D
you left out RL Osborn.
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: Ultraman Zoffy on March 28, 2011, 06:04:23 PM
Collier..ring a bell? Osicka.. yeah, they didn't count.Ya'll can't deny we've seen all that flat stuff from every comp, edit and video part from him for the last 2 years..and AGAIN, for the non readers on here..I never said he couldn't ride. He has skills, it's just nothing new is all.. your name calling is only perpetuating the negitivity that is trying to be extinguished around here.. you can lie to everyone on here, but ya can't lie to yourselves.;D zoffy, just because he's the dominating rider these days, that makes it all better than whats BEEN DONE? to bite and do the same ol' tricks that were done at least 11 years ago... c'mon, no logic there. doin a flat manuever "on the street" , doesn't make you Street. Refer to Keiths T-shirt design. Garret Byrnes does most,if not all of this...Brad Simms ect... If you can't have a decent discussion about this and have to resort to name calling , have fun, I said all I have to say. ;D
you left out RL Osborn.
You're not breaking any new ground with the "stuff's been done" argument, Juggarnaut. I love Standard Country as much as anyone, but if anyone in that vid was destroying the flatland world and doing anything remotely close to this, I'm sure we'd all agree with you. Collier and Osicka are awesome, but neither accomplished what M.D. has in flat despite their skills. I know all about the same riders you do but none of those guys were/are at the very top of pro flat and doing what Matthias is doing in this edit. Put in perspective also that he has only been experimenting with street up until very recently while all the folks I'm sure you're thinking of had more time in on it then he did. If you want to talk negativity, then how negative is it to come on here, flat out call someone out for not being "original" on something he doesn't even specialize in, then say stuff like "U MAD BRO" to Tod? That'd be like someone watching an edit of Catfish and saying his flat skills are played out rather then appreciating the skill for what it is (awesome). A discussion would've been great if anything you're trying to put on this edit had any merit and wasn't put up simply for knocking what's going on in bmx in the present. I'm with you on enjoying all the riders you've brought up in your posts, but I don't agree with the way your coming at this edit. I'm also almost positive that everyone on GF is dying way more to see a clip of you actually ride then they are to see another Matthias edit.
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: SurfonFlatland on March 28, 2011, 08:40:10 PM
f*cking dope edit! Awesome.
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: Suelo sam on March 28, 2011, 09:01:39 PM
I would like to see him linking more flatland stuff up on the street, he definitely has the potential to do it.
Kid needs to learn how to barspin. Then some of those hop to manny combos will look dope on the street
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: Burd on March 28, 2011, 09:18:48 PM
Yeah stop hating. Matthias is a) a super nice guy b) super stylish c)super tech and always looks like he is having fun on his bike.
I agree. can people just appreciate what hes doing? He works harder than us all and is one very talented individual, stay positive and let's all wish he won't stop progressing. He has done a lot for the sport, if you disagree with his riding, than train harder than him, create your own unique style, and beat him in competition just so you can show people how it's done, but for now matthias pwns.
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: jm on March 29, 2011, 10:52:04 PM
Yeah stop hating. Matthias is a) a super nice guy b) super stylish c)super tech and always looks like he is having fun on his bike.
I agree. can people just appreciate what hes doing? He works harder than us all and is one very talented individual, stay positive and let's all wish he won't stop progressing. He has done a lot for the sport, if you disagree with his riding, than train harder than him, create your own unique style, and beat him in competition just so you can show people how it's done, but for now matthias pwns.
+1 at this point, I don't even understand the straggling haters still trying to belittle him as a rider. he's on point. what is this, like the 4th or 5th new edit he's put out this year? he's killing it right now.
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: blind on March 30, 2011, 08:32:04 AM
if you keep up with street these days..theres so much of the "street" he did already on video,if not all of it by others, as far as his "contest run tricks", we've seen this many times from him is all. ...;D
pic related...
I've seen standard country as well as the other sh*t you mentioned and you clearly do not have the ability to delineate between what he's doing in this video and what has been done in the past.
You're also a hateful, spiteful, terrible person for even dragging this kind of negativity into a thread about a riders edit. It's completely uncalled for and I hope the mods take note of it.
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: Wouter van der Linde on March 30, 2011, 10:41:20 AM
Aren't mods supposed to be neutral persons?
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: Flatgod on March 30, 2011, 11:59:48 AM
Maybe Juggs takes some sort of issue with Matthias and feels the need to express it at some point or another. If he does, he can create a thread about it and maybe that would be more proper than commenting on the video in that manner.
I can see how he says that Matthias' stuff isn't original. In fact, I don't think I've seen one trick that Matthias has invented up to this point. I know many of you - especially the much younger ones - might try to argue against this, but I can probably tell you about someone else who has done it first. However, someone brought up a good point in saying that all of those tricks are being done by one single individual (not to mention that it was a very nice edit anyway).
Someone else on here brought up the point about 'flow'. While I do agree that the style is good, it seems as though I must remind everyone that style is entirely subjective. Objective thinking is the key folks!
I'm also curious as to why so many riders are now concerned about contest results when at one point they once weren't. I believe almost everyone use to realize up until a few years ago that contest results are not a real true reflection as to how good one rider is compared to another, but more of a way toward getting the sport more exposure and a way to have fun.
One thing I can say that seems pretty distasteful is when someone on here expresses an opinion and everyone else bashes him/her. The culmination of seemingly mindless 'zombies' (as Juggs put it) seem to come out of the woodwork and flash the same stupid cliches like 'hater' -- its pretty f*cking annoying. Some people are totally devoid of the reasoning that someone is not an idiot or a 'troll' or 'hater' or anything else just because that person has a conflicting opinion with the masses. As previously stated, its called objectivity -- even if Matthias were my best friend, I wouldn't jump on every opportunity to defend his position (and that goes the other way around as well).
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: The Brown Sound on March 30, 2011, 12:38:06 PM
QFT lmao! Glad someone said what I've thought for the last 2 years - Damn that guy does a lot of barspins! ;D
That's why Matthias doesn't do them, there aren't any left.
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: The Brown Sound on March 30, 2011, 12:40:06 PM
As for the edit, I think it's great. Dude is so smooth. He's clearly inspired and pursuing an avenue that is opening up a lot of lines for him. In summary he's having fun :mellow: and I know it's only going to get crazier/better. Just another facet in the crazy flat world :wacko:
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: 2flat2furious on March 30, 2011, 05:29:40 PM
I can see how he says that Matthias' stuff isn't original. In fact, I don't think I've seen one trick that Matthias has invented up to this point.
I kind of like it when people say something like this on the forums. It's like a big warning sign that says "do not listen to what I say."
I can think of a ton of sh*t off the top of my head he's done that nobody else has done. I cannot even figure out for the life of me how you could think the opposite because there's so much sh*t he's done that's original.
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: Ultraman Zoffy on March 30, 2011, 05:56:25 PM
I think people see Matthias pump and turbine tricks and assume he's doing the same thing as everyone else... wrong. The wild pivot in the Vans edit is just one example of how hard he's pushing it; if certain folks watched his edits and were honest with themselves on what's going on in them, this would've been a 4 page topic of complements free of "negativity". It was more a "mindless zombie" move to call the edit out in the first place for lacking originality, in the sense that every move Matthias makes seems to elicit the same response from the same type of people. The rest of us are just calling bullsh*t when we see it...
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: 2flat2furious on March 30, 2011, 06:02:40 PM
It was more a "mindless zombie" move to call the edit out in the first place for lacking originality, in the sense that every move Matthias makes seems to elicit the same response from the same type of people. The rest of us are just calling bullsh*t when we see it...
Not only that, but these same people will cry "hater" when anyone says anything negative about anything prior to ten years ago, even if it's an honest critique. Calling matthias a biter or unoriginal is not an honest critique.
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: Mario Saldana on March 30, 2011, 07:19:32 PM
his over handed steamroller jump through frame to boomerang into inside halfpacker is definitely original to me.
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: Matt hartley now in tucson on March 30, 2011, 08:08:17 PM
awsome video.....what frame is he riding?
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: top_rider on March 30, 2011, 08:54:48 PM
I think people see Matthias pump and turbine tricks and assume he's doing the same thing as everyone else... wrong. The wild pivot in the Vans edit is just one example of how hard he's pushing it; if certain folks watched his edits and were honest with themselves on what's going on in them, this would've been a 4 page topic of complements free of "negativity". It was more a "mindless zombie" move to call the edit out in the first place for lacking originality, in the sense that every move Matthias makes seems to elicit the same response from the same type of people. The rest of us are just calling bullsh*t when we see it...
His wild pivots included a front wheel link that was done by Matt Wilhelm a while ago and the back wheel pivot was an opti-duck. And believe me dude, I know the difference between tricks whether they are pumped or not.
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: Flatgod on March 30, 2011, 09:26:36 PM
I can see how he says that Matthias' stuff isn't original. In fact, I don't think I've seen one trick that Matthias has invented up to this point.
I kind of like it when people say something like this on the forums. It's like a big warning sign that says "do not listen to what I say."
I can think of a ton of sh*t off the top of my head he's done that nobody else has done. I cannot even figure out for the life of me how you could think the opposite because there's so much sh*t he's done that's original.
I knew I would get some type of sh*t for making that statement. Please correct my supposed mistake and tell me what those original tricks are because maybe I am wrong and I know that I probably haven't seen everything that he has done.
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: Ultraman Zoffy on March 30, 2011, 10:18:05 PM
I think people see Matthias pump and turbine tricks and assume he's doing the same thing as everyone else... wrong. The wild pivot in the Vans edit is just one example of how hard he's pushing it; if certain folks watched his edits and were honest with themselves on what's going on in them, this would've been a 4 page topic of complements free of "negativity". It was more a "mindless zombie" move to call the edit out in the first place for lacking originality, in the sense that every move Matthias makes seems to elicit the same response from the same type of people. The rest of us are just calling bullsh*t when we see it...
His wild pivots included a front wheel link that was done by Matt Wilhelm a while ago and the back wheel pivot was an opti-duck. And believe me dude, I know the difference between tricks whether they are pumped or not.
... and yet, I'd bet that Wilhelm and any other rider you think Matthias is biting from would have nothing but praise and straight up respect for what he's doing on his bike. And if you're going to call out pieces of his combinations as unoriginal, you're missing the grand design of everything he does up to the so-called "copied" part and everything that comes after it. We're at a point right now in BMX that EVERYTHING can be distilled to something that came before it if someone is bored enough to take it that far; pointing anyone out for unoriginality (not even just Matthias) doesn't make you, Juggs, or anyone come across as enlightened, objective, or knowledgeable. It just ends up looking like an attention grabbing ploy, and often times (maybe not in your case though, Flatgod) is a stab at trying to bring the spotlight back to some period that the commenter wishes he could relive for whatever reason. I've said it before, the only person who has any right commenting on trick biting or unoriginality is someone who feels that it was THEIR tricks that got stolen. In regards to Matthias, so far the count of riders that have brought up that beef is zero. "Mat Hoffman is a biter because he does 540's and Woody Itson invented them. Hoffman's 540's are not cooler then Itson's because Itson invented them." ^ that felt like the stupidest thing I ever posted right there, and that's basically what it feels like you and Juggs are saying.
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: Lee on March 30, 2011, 10:47:14 PM
how can you have a serious debate with someone you have to call "Juggs"?
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: slcflat on March 30, 2011, 11:30:27 PM
so whenever you post a video, make sure you give credit to the inventor of the trick, date it was invented, and where it was first performed. if you think you pulled an original trick, make sure you have it witnessed and notarized. have fun riding your bike.
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: bmx4lif3 on March 31, 2011, 12:45:39 AM
so whenever you post a video, make sure you give credit to the inventor of the trick, date it was invented, and where it was first performed. if you think you pulled an original trick, make sure you have it witnessed and notarized. have fun riding your bike.
ROFL +1 Whats the big deal anyways? Matthias did not claim any of those moves as 'original' in the film anyways? Its quite hard to make an 'original trick' up today and one day there wont be any left..
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: JUGGARNAUT on March 31, 2011, 01:19:50 AM
so whenever you post a video, make sure you give credit to the inventor of the trick, date it was invented, and where it was first performed. if you think you pulled an original trick, make sure you have it witnessed and notarized. have fun riding your bike.
ROFL +1 Whats the big deal anyways? Matthias did not claim any of those moves as 'original' in the film anyways? Its quite hard to make an 'original trick' up today and one day there wont be any left..
and thats why I said "it isn't anything new". is all.
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: Flatgod on March 31, 2011, 01:44:27 AM
I think people see Matthias pump and turbine tricks and assume he's doing the same thing as everyone else... wrong. The wild pivot in the Vans edit is just one example of how hard he's pushing it; if certain folks watched his edits and were honest with themselves on what's going on in them, this would've been a 4 page topic of complements free of "negativity". It was more a "mindless zombie" move to call the edit out in the first place for lacking originality, in the sense that every move Matthias makes seems to elicit the same response from the same type of people. The rest of us are just calling bullsh*t when we see it...
His wild pivots included a front wheel link that was done by Matt Wilhelm a while ago and the back wheel pivot was an opti-duck. And believe me dude, I know the difference between tricks whether they are pumped or not.
... and yet, I'd bet that Wilhelm and any other rider you think Matthias is biting from would have nothing but praise and straight up respect for what he's doing on his bike. And if you're going to call out pieces of his combinations as unoriginal, you're missing the grand design of everything he does up to the so-called "copied" part and everything that comes after it. We're at a point right now in BMX that EVERYTHING can be distilled to something that came before it if someone is bored enough to take it that far; pointing anyone out for unoriginality (not even just Matthias) doesn't make you, Juggs, or anyone come across as enlightened, objective, or knowledgeable. It just ends up looking like an attention grabbing ploy, and often times (maybe not in your case though, Flatgod) is a stab at trying to bring the spotlight back to some period that the commenter wishes he could relive for whatever reason. I've said it before, the only person who has any right commenting on trick biting or unoriginality is someone who feels that it was THEIR tricks that got stolen. In regards to Matthias, so far the count of riders that have brought up that beef is zero. "Mat Hoffman is a biter because he does 540's and Woody Itson invented them. Hoffman's 540's are not cooler then Itson's because Itson invented them." ^ that felt like the stupidest thing I ever posted right there, and that's basically what it feels like you and Juggs are saying.
Yes, and I have total respect for Matthias as well. As for people bringing up originality, Matthias didn't state that the tricks were original -- only people on this forum did that. I only brought this up since Juggs was the one to mention it in the first place. I'm not saying Matthias is a biter in any kind of way (when in reality we all are to some extent or another) or that you even have to be original to be a good rider -- I just dislike some of the misconceptions other people have about his riding as to what has and hasn't been invented. In many cases, people are in fact referring to specific tricks/links whereas you are essentially taking issue with me for doing the exact same thing but only from a different perspective. If people want to make certain claims then maybe they should be a little more informed. I do realize, however, that he invented a style that has truly innovated modern flatland and maybe that is what you are referring to when you say "grand design".
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: Flatgod on March 31, 2011, 01:57:33 AM
his over handed steamroller jump through frame to boomerang into inside halfpacker is definitely original to me.
Its a combination of two different links that have already been done.
so when someone does a double back flip to ice pick grind it's not new, just two previously done tricks linked together...?
and hell a double decade is just linking two decades...right?
ANYWAY Mathias rides sick as always, and hell, I loved the little editing trick in the beginning with the reverse footage. Good stuff!
*edit* flatgod, stop double and triple posting, its like the only rule on these forums. If you can't wait to hit post until you've actually finished thinking, there is also an edit button ;D
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: Flatgod on March 31, 2011, 02:48:51 AM
his over handed steamroller jump through frame to boomerang into inside halfpacker is definitely original to me.
Its a combination of two different links that have already been done.
so when someone does a double back flip to ice pick grind it's not new, just two previously done tricks linked together...?
and hell a double decade is just linking two decades...right?
ANYWAY Mathias rides sick as always, and hell, I loved the little editing trick in the beginning with the reverse footage. Good stuff!
*edit* flatgod, stop double and triple posting, its like the only rule on these forums. If you can't wait to hit post until you've actually finished thinking, there is also an edit button ;D
No, you totally do not understand. A double backflip to icepick grind (has this been done?) or a double decade are links. In Matthias' case he is taking two already invented links and doing them in a specific sequential order. In other words, I am referring to the two links and not the individual basic tricks themselves -- namely the barflip and the boomerang. This could be considered original to an extent but not to the degree of having actually invented the individual barflip, boomerang, kickflip, or whatever other types of links themselves.
Example: Someone invented a stubble duck one day -- which is one link of two tricks -- namely a lardyard and cross footed megaspin. At some other time, someone invented a cross footed megaspin to decade out -- which is another single link of two different tricks. So let's say I put them all together and do a lardyard and stubble-duck to cross footed megaspin to decade out. I have then put together three basic tricks comprised of a different already invented link in between each one. Does this make it any more innovate than the guys who invented the individual links themselves in my longer link set? I would say not. It would be innovative, but to a much smaller degree.
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: Flatgod on March 31, 2011, 03:06:08 AM
*edit* flatgod, stop double and triple posting, its like the only rule on these forums. If you can't wait to hit post until you've actually finished thinking, there is also an edit button ;D
What the hell are you talking about? I haven't double or triple posted anything.
*edit* Oh, and yes I know how to edit as well. Double-posting is not the correct term for what I have done in this forum.
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: Punch on March 31, 2011, 03:36:39 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/E0IQE.jpg)
;D ;D
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: JUGGARNAUT on March 31, 2011, 03:38:38 AM
Its a combination of two different links that have already been done.
I don't think you understand how flatland or originality works and I really do not feel like wasting time trying to explain all of the original tricks this kid has come up with because you're already set out to nit-pick everything said about him to fit your worldview anyway so yeah. :P
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: Limited on March 31, 2011, 04:50:49 AM
Its a combination of two different links that have already been done.
I don't think you understand how flatland or originality works and I really do not feel like wasting time trying to explain all of the original tricks this kid has come up with because you're already set out to nit-pick everything said about him to fit your worldview anyway so yeah. :P
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: Mario Saldana on March 31, 2011, 05:39:11 AM
so many f*cking morons on this forum.
so the point of all this is we are all biters no matter what, cause im sure none of us chatting on this topic invented the hang-5 and peg wheelie, why do i bother, do i need to do an upside down decade?
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: 2flat2furious on March 31, 2011, 06:03:21 AM
nobody has ever written an original song because they didn't invent the notes.
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: Mario Saldana on March 31, 2011, 06:33:23 AM
nobody has ever written an original song because they didn't invent the notes.
:/
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: blind on March 31, 2011, 08:01:36 AM
Multi. Turbine pedal time machines. Who did that before him? If u wanna go back a bit what about the pumping hikers holding one peg with your arm behind your back? But even with out that to say he's not an orignal rider is a pretty bold statement. He's done a lot of switches first.
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: Booroo on March 31, 2011, 11:30:04 AM
I really do not feel like wasting time trying to explain
So pls feel free to exit the forum room if u do not wanna say anything
I do agree with the way Jugs and Flatgod think. Also I want to add that i Haven`t seen "No frontier" in the edit. Flatland on the street IS NOT street. If he made tailwhip from a big hight or smth street like yeah I would say it`s cool no limits to some extent. But here I didn`t seen smth really innovative. Good style. Some hard tricks. But nothing too new. Nose-manual, 180 bunnyhop and spinning manual called street these days ?
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: Flatgod on March 31, 2011, 11:51:23 AM
I don't think you understand how flatland or originality works and I really do not feel like wasting time trying to explain all of the original tricks this kid has come up with because you're already set out to nit-pick everything said about him to fit your worldview anyway so yeah. :P
Again, please point out to me anything he has truly invented beyond his style, but please keep in mind that innovating style is a huge deal. Actually, I did manage to think of one thing myself: the turbined megaspin on pedals brakeless -- I've never seen that one before. I'm not set out to nit-pick anything and I have no static or unchanging worldview. I already stated that he is a damn good rider because you don't even need to be original to be good.
I see originality all the time out of many old and current riders alike. Okay, so Matthias is taking other previously invented tricks and links and putting them into his riding in different sequences with his own style -- isn't that what all flat riders are doing anyway? Think about it. I can think of many other riders -- especially current pros -- who deserve at least the amount of credit that he is getting for being original (if not a lot more) tbh.
And I don't know anything about originality huh? Since you were the one to bring up such a presumption please tell me how much you have invented yourself.
So someone comes up on here and says "great" or whatever and they don't get any sh*t but when someone else throws even the slightest amount of critique they get a sh*t-storm from the masses in his defense -- you being one of them. Maybe its because many of you are from his same generation just as Juggs himself has his own generation that he wants to defend. Its silly nonsense coming from any generation or side. Open-mindedness almost always pisses people off and it is usually only one in very few who ever speak the truth.
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: 2flat2furious on March 31, 2011, 02:56:21 PM
Again, please point out to me anything he has truly invented beyond his style, but please keep in mind that innovating style is a huge deal. Actually, I did manage to think of one thing myself: the turbined megaspin on pedals brakeless -- I've never seen that one before. I'm not set out to nit-pick anything and I have no static or unchanging worldview. I already stated that he is a damn good rider because you don't even need to be original to be good.
Someone already pointed out something else he did that was original, and you somehow nitpicked it to death and "proved" that it wasn't so again, why should I go through like 4 years worth of edits pointing out every other link he does that is original and trying to convince you of something you're dead set on denying anyway?
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I see originality all the time out of many old and current riders alike. Okay, so Matthias is taking other previously invented tricks and links and putting them into his riding in different sequences with his own style -- isn't that what all flat riders are doing anyway? Think about it. I can think of many other riders -- especially current pros -- who deserve at least the amount of credit that he is getting for being original (if not a lot more) tbh.
This makes no sense. You're saying there is a lot of originality, yet Matthias isn't really doing anything original, yet he's still getting credit? Who, by your metric, is actually original in modern riding besides the obvious answer of like Martti Kuoppa.
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And I don't know anything about originality huh? Since you were the one to bring up such a presumption please tell me how much you have invented yourself.
I came up with mccircle jump to halfpacker and wheelchair without any kind of scuff. Steamroller full barflip to halfpacker, with a similar variation from wheelchair. Hang Ten rolling bike whip to halfpacker. Steamroller outside full barflip to hiker. Halfpacker jump straight through the frame to steamroller without any kind of barflip. Wheelchair full body varial to steamroller. Mccircle to G turn backpacker. I know I've come up with more stuff that I did years ago, but I can't remember it all so yes I do have plenty of original stuff that I came up with on my own unless not inventing the riding positions is something that counts against me...?
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So someone comes up on here and says "great" or whatever and they don't get any sh*t but when someone else throws even the slightest amount of critique they get a sh*t-storm from the masses in his defense -- you being one of them.
I've been on both ends, however when someone comes in and is all but calling someone a biter when that REALLY has no grounds in reality merits a very strong reaction which you're seeing now. I don't think you've put it in such strong words as Juggs has, but you're saying something along similar lines. You're saying he hasn't really done much in the way of original tricks and I'm sorry but that's just simply wrong.
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Maybe its because many of you are from his same generation just as Juggs himself has his own generation that he wants to defend. Its silly nonsense coming from any generation or side. Open-mindedness almost always pisses people off and it is usually only one in very few who ever speak the truth.
You're right. It is ridiculous, which is why I'm baffled as to why you're so persistent in holding the same position and doing the same thing. You don't seem as thick as some people who won't be named, so why you're saying "welp nothing new here folks" is kind of confusing me, especially after picking out Matthias's pedal megaspins as the ONE thing you can think of that's original. Just seems "off".
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: Cyborg on March 31, 2011, 03:39:31 PM
Man, you two were made for each other.
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: Lee on March 31, 2011, 05:54:08 PM
writing multi-paragraph argument responses is fun! and it also solves things!
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: Kevin Brill @ Kassel on March 31, 2011, 06:28:58 PM
I dont know about you, but I personally saw a TON of original links and variatons in THIS SINGLE VIDEO. And this TON of Originality, I have never seen before.
There is no doubt about this, Matthias IS a very original rider.
Normally this should be the end of the discussion, but most of the people who call him unoriginal dont want to change their view of things.
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: Mario Saldana on March 31, 2011, 06:39:13 PM
i love how matthias can just do whatever he wants, haha thats awesome
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: jm on March 31, 2011, 06:40:59 PM
This whole "originality" discussion is odd. I doubt most people that like his riding like him because he's original. There are much more original riders (not to imply he isn't original at all or anything, just sayin) out there; Matthias is the king of flow and makes everything look rad. That's why I like him; his riding is both super hard and stylish as hell.
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: Flatgod on April 01, 2011, 05:33:22 AM
I see originality all the time out of many old and current riders alike. Okay, so Matthias is taking other previously invented tricks and links and putting them into his riding in different sequences with his own style -- isn't that what all flat riders are doing anyway? Think about it. I can think of many other riders -- especially current pros -- who deserve at least the amount of credit that he is getting for being original (if not a lot more) tbh.
This makes no sense. You're saying there is a lot of originality, yet Matthias isn't really doing anything original, yet he's still getting credit? Who, by your metric, is actually original in modern riding besides the obvious answer of like Martti Kuoppa.
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And I don't know anything about originality huh? Since you were the one to bring up such a presumption please tell me how much you have invented yourself.
I came up with mccircle jump to halfpacker and wheelchair without any kind of scuff. Steamroller full barflip to halfpacker, with a similar variation from wheelchair. Hang Ten rolling bike whip to halfpacker. Steamroller outside full barflip to hiker. Halfpacker jump straight through the frame to steamroller without any kind of barflip. Wheelchair full body varial to steamroller. Mccircle to G turn backpacker. I know I've come up with more stuff that I did years ago, but I can't remember it all so yes I do have plenty of original stuff that I came up with on my own unless not inventing the riding positions is something that counts against me...?
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So someone comes up on here and says "great" or whatever and they don't get any sh*t but when someone else throws even the slightest amount of critique they get a sh*t-storm from the masses in his defense -- you being one of them.
I've been on both ends, however when someone comes in and is all but calling someone a biter when that REALLY has no grounds in reality merits a very strong reaction which you're seeing now. I don't think you've put it in such strong words as Juggs has, but you're saying something along similar lines. You're saying he hasn't really done much in the way of original tricks and I'm sorry but that's just simply wrong.
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Maybe its because many of you are from his same generation just as Juggs himself has his own generation that he wants to defend. Its silly nonsense coming from any generation or side. Open-mindedness almost always pisses people off and it is usually only one in very few who ever speak the truth.
You're right. It is ridiculous, which is why I'm baffled as to why you're so persistent in holding the same position and doing the same thing. You don't seem as thick as some people who won't be named, so why you're saying "welp nothing new here folks" is kind of confusing me, especially after picking out Matthias's pedal megaspins as the ONE thing you can think of that's original. Just seems "off".
I don't consider myself to be holding the same position since I am from your generation. I don't jump to defend people just because they're from my own era.
I can think of tons of other riders who deserve more credit for originality than Matthias: obviously Martii like you stated; almost any Japanese rider; Adam Kun -- who actually invented much of the awesome links Matthias is doing (and maybe that's why everyone is so baffled as to why I am saying these things); Viki Gomez has a whole encyclopedia of things that he has invented (who actually invented much of the links that you think you did yourself in like 2002); Simon O'Brien; and I could probably go on.
I agree with jm -- Matthias is not the most original rider, but he's still very stylish and good.
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: 2flat2furious on April 01, 2011, 05:54:04 AM
Wow really? Jorge invented MOST of the links I think I came up with on my own even though I'm pretty sure I've seen every video of Jorge from that era as well as seeing him like 3-4 times a year at contests at the time? Dude you're really out of your element and the fact that you're now trying to discredit what I've done when I know what I've done is original is really rude, uncalled for, and flat out wrong. If Viki was doing those tricks in 2002, I'd love to see some footage to back up the sh*t your peddling.
As for Matthias, you clearly do not have a grasp on what is original and what isn't. There is plenty of stuff in Matthias's edits to prove he is incredibly original and very little there to back what you're saying up. Really, quit while you're ahead.
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: 1pyroace1 on April 01, 2011, 06:36:56 AM
glad to see people feel so strongly towards flatland ;D
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: wesbmxr on April 01, 2011, 06:49:04 AM
I wonder how many tricks Matthias has learned during the course of this thread? I'm not one to jump on anyone's bandwagon, but that kid can straight up ride folks! That's all there is to it...end of story! Everyone seems intent on arguing the subjective, to no effective end. It doesn't take exceptional skill to be a critic!
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: Flatgod on April 01, 2011, 07:37:01 AM
Wow really? Jorge invented MOST of the links I think I came up with on my own even though I'm pretty sure I've seen every video of Jorge from that era as well as seeing him like 3-4 times a year at contests at the time? Dude you're really out of your element and the fact that you're now trying to discredit what I've done when I know what I've done is original is really rude, uncalled for, and flat out wrong. If Viki was doing those tricks in 2002, I'd love to see some footage to back up the sh*t your peddling.
As for Matthias, you clearly do not have a grasp on what is original and what isn't. There is plenty of stuff in Matthias's edits to prove he is incredibly original and very little there to back what you're saying up. Really, quit while you're ahead.
Its hard to completely depict what you are trying to convey with your tricks since its written. When I'm reading them, I might have a different video playing in my mind than what you're talking about. I was referring to land escape A and B mainly. What's rude, uncalled for, and flat out wrong is when you make ignorant assumptions about me in the first place which is what has led us up to this point of the argument -- maybe you should have quit while you were ahead.
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: Cyborg on April 01, 2011, 09:06:46 AM
Go Ride Your Bikes!
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: Moya-1 on April 01, 2011, 10:06:18 AM
Its hard to completely depict what you are trying to convey with your tricks since its written. When I'm reading them, I might have a different video playing in my mind than what you're talking about. I was referring to land escape A and B mainly.
Like I've said twice now, you don't know originality, and it seems you don't know flatland either. You told me I needed to have some original tricks to speak on it, which I do, then you went on to try and say it's all been done before. Sorry, no.
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What's rude, uncalled for, and flat out wrong is when you make ignorant assumptions about me in the first place which is what has led us up to this point of the argument -- maybe you should have quit while you were ahead.
You're right, giving you the benefit of the doubt was an ignorant assumption.
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: Havokflat on April 01, 2011, 08:57:09 PM
C'mon guys.
agree to disagree :wub:
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: Flatgod on April 02, 2011, 03:26:35 AM
Its hard to completely depict what you are trying to convey with your tricks since its written. When I'm reading them, I might have a different video playing in my mind than what you're talking about. I was referring to land escape A and B mainly.
Like I've said twice now, you don't know originality, and it seems you don't know flatland either. You told me I needed to have some original tricks to speak on it, which I do, then you went on to try and say it's all been done before. Sorry, no.
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What's rude, uncalled for, and flat out wrong is when you make ignorant assumptions about me in the first place which is what has led us up to this point of the argument -- maybe you should have quit while you were ahead.
You're right, giving you the benefit of the doubt was an ignorant assumption.
I wasn't trying to be a dick when I said that its hard to depict what you are speaking of because when you tell someone what a link is in words my imagination can think of a few things that each one of them might be since there are so many possibilities -- doesn't that make sense to you? I mean flatland is a bit complex and words don't do the sport justice.
How did you give me a benefit of the doubt? I'm not exactly sure what you mean here. I can recall that other people have said you've made ignorant assumptions about them as well so I don't assume that I'm the first one. Maybe you're just pissed because I can think of many people who have invented certain tricks/links that Matthias is doing.
You're assuming that I came on here to belittle someone and that's not the case at all.
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: 2flat2furious on April 02, 2011, 03:54:35 AM
I wasn't trying to be a dick when I said that its hard to depict what you are speaking of because when you tell someone what a link is in words my imagination can think of a few things that each one of them might be since there are so many possibilities -- doesn't that make sense to you? I mean flatland is a bit complex and words don't do the sport justice.
If you don't know, then don't talk as if you do. You asked if I did anything original and I said yes and cited examples, you in turn came back with "well Jorge did most of that in 2002". Sorry but yeah, you kind of were being a dick even if you somehow don't see it as such. I can show you what I've done on video if you're going to persist in saying I've somehow never done anything of my own.
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How did you give me a benefit of the doubt? I'm not exactly sure what you mean here. I can recall that other people have said you've made ignorant assumptions about them as well so I don't assume that I'm the first one. Maybe you're just pissed because I can think of many people who have invented certain tricks/links that Matthias is doing.
No, I'm pissed because you're making really weird generalizations about peoples riding, then trying to steal their thunder on very strange technicalities. Steamroller jump through the frame boomerang to inside halfpacker (which I have never seen anyone else even come CLOSE to doing) is somehow is not original yet somehow a pedal megaspin is....? What? That makes zero sense to me.
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You're assuming that I came on here to belittle someone and that's not the case at all.
It might not be your intention, but it's what you're doing whether you realize it or not.
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: Flatgod on April 02, 2011, 04:36:37 AM
The only reason I even asked about your tricks was because you said I know nothing about originality and that is also false.
His pedal megaspin is turbined brakeless and I've seen no one else do it.
Matthias's steam jump through frame to halfpacker boomerang to inside halfpacker are two already invented links done in quick succession and almost appears as one single link.
He has invented some tricks, but not as many as others have. I want to be perfectly clear here and re-state that Matthias is a dope rider nonetheless. He is also probably the most consistent rider I have ever seen (at least on par with Trevor Meyer).
Title: Re: New Red Bull edit: Matthias Dandois - No more frontier Flat vs Street
Post by: Paradoxium on April 02, 2011, 04:49:04 AM
Only thing of value in this thread is the videos. Topic locked.