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Title: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Mr News Bot on March 20, 2011, 01:18:00 PM
Where are the photoshop artists? We want your idea! 

Today our Global-Flat T-Shirt Design Contest starts. We would like to ask you to design the next Global-Flat T-Shirt. 

Where to send your design? To info@global-flat.com
What´s the deadline? Please send it before April 10th
Any requirements? No!

We´ll collect all the designs and run a poll in the forum. If you have any questions please email us or post them in the forum.
(http://www.global-flat.com/upload/media/2011-03-20-13-15-43teedesign.jpg)
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: flatjunkie on March 20, 2011, 02:52:06 PM
YES
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Andrew.. on March 20, 2011, 05:56:41 PM
No requirements? I know multiple colour screenprinting can get expensive. Would it not be a good idea to have a limit of maybe 2 or 3 colours? Just a thought..!
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: jpoliti on March 20, 2011, 06:07:07 PM
well...it is not one or two colour thar are going to make it much more expensive...but anyway i think it needs to be kept simple. 2 colours at the most, no ?
how many are you going to print ?
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Martin on March 20, 2011, 06:49:55 PM
You are right about the colors. Nevertheless I would like to see a good design in the first place ...

I was asked for the current logo.

You can download it here:

http://www.global-flat.com/upload/Logopack.zip (http://www.global-flat.com/upload/Logopack.zip) ( different file formats inside )
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Paul Chamberlain on March 21, 2011, 11:28:40 AM
Seems like a good competition. I hope something good comes of it. Something nice and simple that people would like to look at and like to wear even if they are not necessarily connected to flatland. Not being a design guy myself I know the woes of DIY design. I'd like something for Down Underground that people wanted to wear primarily because it looked nice and secondarily to support the cause at hand. I hope that this competition generates such a design for Global-Flat.

Good luck guys! Get involved!

Paul
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: ying on March 21, 2011, 03:41:58 PM
How many designs can a person enter?
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Stereolab on March 21, 2011, 06:35:47 PM
The flat, current logo across the chest of a t-shirt.  Why would anyone want anything different?
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: badlove on March 21, 2011, 07:11:41 PM
I have an idea and ill take a pic then
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Martin on March 21, 2011, 07:22:31 PM
How many designs can a person enter?

Feel free to submit more than 1 ..
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: csd on March 21, 2011, 08:43:11 PM
 ;D So simple colors. Using the logo in a wicked way and make 15 shirt designs  ;D
ok...so that last part was exaggerated.
alliedsatellitetv.com (http://www.alliedsatellitetv.com/)
I'll give it a shot
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Paul Chamberlain on March 22, 2011, 08:08:56 AM
The flat, current logo across the chest of a t-shirt.  Why would anyone want anything different?

It's not a good logo for a lot of reasons but mainly because it is too complicated. Everything needs a facelift once in a while too.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Havokflat on March 22, 2011, 01:35:49 PM
It's not a good logo for a lot of reasons but mainly because it is too complicated. Everything needs a facelift once in a while too.
i'm not sure what you mean by 'too complicated'.

i like the logo @ the top of the page.  throw some brown and blue stars on there, with that cool looking trick.
i'm sure the winner will look dope, regardless.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Jake4130 on March 23, 2011, 02:18:38 AM
Will get you a crap ton of t shirt designs soon. Been already working on this, plus a bunch of other stuff for the site.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: ASC on March 23, 2011, 02:38:05 AM
About time...nice idea, A GF t-shirt.

Maybe choice of colours that work on black T-Shirt too.

N
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: jm on March 23, 2011, 02:56:05 AM
just to break the ice...

(http://i.imgur.com/H1JPT.jpg)
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: badlove on March 23, 2011, 03:14:00 AM
one of my versions but its crappy.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: JUGGARNAUT on March 23, 2011, 03:21:35 AM
Break ice..Brake dance..Starting to see a pattern here...
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: ASC on March 23, 2011, 03:29:09 AM
I like that Badlove made the image recognizable(with the use of Rider on BMX bike).

Cus Flat could mean anything.

N
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Budz on March 23, 2011, 03:49:41 AM
The current logo shouldnt be changed, imo. Its good, simple, and to the point.
Maybe just flip the colors up to black and white, etc, instead of the light blue.

*make a few in xxl so us fewlarger fellas can rock em too! ;)
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: JUGGARNAUT on March 23, 2011, 03:53:10 AM
The current logo shouldnt be changed, imo. Its good, simple, and to the point.
Maybe just flip the colors up to black and white, etc, instead of the light blue.

*make a few in xxl so us fewlarger fellas can rock em too! ;)
Word!
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Nails on March 23, 2011, 03:54:59 AM
guna be honest, I think the logo on the website is fine as a header, it works great. But as a tshirt design I think it blows. Not to be be a down buzz, just my opinion
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Jake4130 on March 23, 2011, 04:36:31 AM
I don't like the quite about flat being "like breakdancing on a bike." Never cared for that description. To me it belittles the sport as a pseudo-copy of some other sport.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: badlove on March 23, 2011, 04:38:32 AM
Then any ideas on description guys?
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Nails on March 23, 2011, 04:50:39 AM
"you will probably quit when you find out girls don't actually like kids bikes"
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Jake4130 on March 23, 2011, 04:57:33 AM
"you will probably quit when you find out girls don't actually like kids bikes"

LOL I have a counter quote about that, but I cant really say it here. A little inappropriate.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: melon lover on March 23, 2011, 05:14:43 AM
"you will probably quit when you find out girls don't actually like kids bikes"

Now that's a great quote  ;D
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: jpoliti on March 23, 2011, 01:15:33 PM
(http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/5537/capturedcran20110323131.png)


(http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/5537/capturedcran20110323131.png)

[IMG=http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/9120/capturedcran20110323130.png][/IMG] (http://img13.imageshack.us/i/capturedcran20110323130.png/)

Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)

it could be as simple as just a font, another stencil to update the existing one...
this is really unrefined, i just picked a font on dafont that's all...this is not a final design, it is only to participate to the general idea of what the design could be.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: rawchild on March 23, 2011, 01:55:15 PM
your forgetting something -
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: jpoliti on March 23, 2011, 01:56:50 PM
i always do that.....
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: badlove on March 23, 2011, 04:04:20 PM
wait we couldve changed the logo?
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Nails on March 23, 2011, 04:33:57 PM
how about something like this, just stole it from the post your bikes thread, Ignore the dropouts, maybe just have the wheel and chain (i dont have time to photoshop it out untill next week, someone else can do it if they want)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/malovelo/JoshHansencustomframevisuel.jpg)
I like that it doesn't have the rims or anything. its still simple. Remember that multiple colours will make it more expensive to print/buy
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: flatjunkie on March 25, 2011, 10:06:36 PM
well how many entries do you have right now?
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: schneider on March 25, 2011, 11:03:57 PM
my update of the logo...
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Jake4130 on March 25, 2011, 11:13:02 PM
my update of the logo...

Not bad, but the green line inside the "G" doesn't flow. Doesn't make sense for it to be there. I like it otherwise though.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: 1pyroace1 on March 26, 2011, 12:24:06 AM
i like the 1 that has the definiton with the picture so i don't have 2 explain it 2 ppl because im to cool 2 explain  ;D
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Andrew.. on March 26, 2011, 12:29:26 AM
Here's mine...! hopefully will get a couple more done.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: JUGGARNAUT on March 26, 2011, 12:33:19 AM
Here's mine...! hopefully will get a couple more done.

([url]http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/8444/globalflat1.jpg[/url])
COOL, I'd rock that for sure...!!!  People, make sure we can get these in LONG SLEVE too.....please. ;D
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: jm on March 26, 2011, 12:43:03 AM
^that's rad!

I'm working on a few ideas mainly just for fun. This one I put on a black background, just for clarity:
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Jake4130 on March 26, 2011, 12:51:07 AM
Here's mine...! hopefully will get a couple more done.

Really like this one a lot!
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: flatjunkie on March 26, 2011, 12:55:43 AM
Here's mine...! hopefully will get a couple more done.

you definitely have my vote on that one.
  here is mine
(http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h447/nonstopspiderman/art/earth_l.jpg)
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: JUGGARNAUT on March 26, 2011, 12:58:41 AM
Here's mine...! hopefully will get a couple more done.

you definitely have my vote on that one.
  here is mine
([url]http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h447/nonstopspiderman/art/earth_l.jpg[/url])
who are those riders? Nice as well...
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: flatjunkie on March 26, 2011, 01:02:59 AM
Here's mine...! hopefully will get a couple more done.

you definitely have my vote on that one.
  here is mine
([url]http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h447/nonstopspiderman/art/earth_l.jpg[/url])
who are those riders? Nice as well...

random people found on the net.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: JUGGARNAUT on March 26, 2011, 01:05:44 AM
Here's mine...! hopefully will get a couple more done.

you definitely have my vote on that one.
  here is mine
([url]http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h447/nonstopspiderman/art/earth_l.jpg[/url])
who are those riders? Nice as well...

random people found on the net.
I like that it shows what we do..no explanation needed.. I'd also rock that..my Son and Wife like it as well. ;D
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Jake4130 on March 26, 2011, 01:09:03 AM
Here's mine...! hopefully will get a couple more done.

you definitely have my vote on that one.
  here is mine
([url]http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h447/nonstopspiderman/art/earth_l.jpg[/url])
who are those riders? Nice as well...

random people found on the net.



Oooh yeah unfortunately I doubt GF will be able to use it then. They would run into copyright issues with the rider photos since neither of you own the rights to them.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: JUGGARNAUT on March 26, 2011, 01:11:38 AM
Here's mine...! hopefully will get a couple more done.

you definitely have my vote on that one.
  here is mine
([url]http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h447/nonstopspiderman/art/earth_l.jpg[/url])
who are those riders? Nice as well...

random people found on the net.



Oooh yeah unfortunately I doubt GF will be able to use it then. They would run into copyright issues with the rider photos since neither of you own the rights to them.
Photoshop Alien heads on them then...
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: flatjunkie on March 26, 2011, 01:13:54 AM
I think the people on the shirt wouldn't mind to be on a shirt I know I wouldn't...
If there is something on the net basically it isnt yours anymore.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: JUGGARNAUT on March 26, 2011, 01:16:08 AM
I think the people on the shirt wouldn't mind to be on a shirt I know I wouldn't...
If there is something on the net basically it isnt yours anymore.
BOTH good points.... ;D
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Jake4130 on March 26, 2011, 01:19:00 AM
I think the people on the shirt wouldn't mind to be on a shirt I know I wouldn't...
If there is something on the net basically it isnt yours anymore.

It's not the riders that own the rights. It's the guy that took the photo's.

The "if it's on the net" thing is totally not true (nor is the "if you change x%" thing, before someone brings it up). Look at what I do for a living. I have to constantly slap hands for people taking stuff off of a google image search.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: flatjunkie on March 26, 2011, 01:22:24 AM
I think the people on the shirt wouldn't mind to be on a shirt I know I wouldn't...
If there is something on the net basically it isnt yours anymore.

It's not the riders that own the rights. It's the guy that took the photo's.

The "if it's on the net" thing is totally not true (nor is the "if you change x%" thing, before someone brings it up). Look at what I do for a living. I have to constantly slap hands for people taking stuff off of a google image search.
so make it gray scale then nobody knows any differ right.
Or I will put myself on there with awsome tricks such as trackstand, pogo, endo, tailwhip and finally funkychicken.

Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Jake4130 on March 26, 2011, 01:25:15 AM
I think the people on the shirt wouldn't mind to be on a shirt I know I wouldn't...
If there is something on the net basically it isnt yours anymore.

It's not the riders that own the rights. It's the guy that took the photo's.

The "if it's on the net" thing is totally not true (nor is the "if you change x%" thing, before someone brings it up). Look at what I do for a living. I have to constantly slap hands for people taking stuff off of a google image search.
so make it gray scale then nobody knows any differ right.

Ohh man. Believe me flatjunkie, I am feeling your pain and frustration right now. I feel the same way, but the reality is, nope. Doesn't change a thing. This is why I always buy from iStock or hire one of my photographer friends. Just avoids the whole mess to begin with.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Andrew.. on March 26, 2011, 01:27:39 AM
Jake is right, some artists / photographers will let you use their work under various types of 'creative commons' licenses, which means you can use their work but give them credit for it mostly. or if they are professional you can either pay royalties for each time something with their work is sold / used, or buy rights through stock photo sites etc.

Thanks for the kind words on my design folks  :beer:
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: wesbmxr on March 26, 2011, 01:30:57 AM
That's an excellent design flatjunkie! What if some of the more artistically inclined amongst us (not me!) sketched up some silhouette-style renderings of flatland tricks to arc across the top of the globe? OR, I'm decently certain that there would be a multitude of riders willing to have their pictures taken for just such a purpose. There are some talented riders here on the forum.....
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: flatjunkie on March 26, 2011, 01:33:55 AM
ah no worries I enjoyed making it.  I will leave it here and see if someone comes and puts me in jail. lol.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Jake4130 on March 26, 2011, 01:37:33 AM
ah no worries I enjoyed making it.  I will leave it here and see if someone comes and puts me in jail. lol.

Dude I'm sorry. Didn't mean to rain on your parade. Just watching out for ya.  :beer:

wesbmxr has a good fix though.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: flatjunkie on March 26, 2011, 01:40:42 AM
all i know is who ever wins..I would think that a little globe on the left sleeve would be cool.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: flatjunkie on March 26, 2011, 02:14:07 AM
I think the people on the shirt wouldn't mind to be on a shirt I know I wouldn't...
If there is something on the net basically it isnt yours anymore.

It's not the riders that own the rights. It's the guy that took the photo's.

The "if it's on the net" thing is totally not true (nor is the "if you change x%" thing, before someone brings it up). Look at what I do for a living. I have to constantly slap hands for people taking stuff off of a google image search.
so make it gray scale then nobody knows any differ right.

Ohh man. Believe me flatjunkie, I am feeling your pain and frustration right now. I feel the same way, but the reality is, nope. Doesn't change a thing. This is why I always buy from iStock or hire one of my photographer friends. Just avoids the whole mess to begin with.
even with flatland being a small community, who is going to tell?
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Jake4130 on March 26, 2011, 02:21:11 AM
I think the people on the shirt wouldn't mind to be on a shirt I know I wouldn't...
If there is something on the net basically it isnt yours anymore.

It's not the riders that own the rights. It's the guy that took the photo's.

The "if it's on the net" thing is totally not true (nor is the "if you change x%" thing, before someone brings it up). Look at what I do for a living. I have to constantly slap hands for people taking stuff off of a google image search.
so make it gray scale then nobody knows any differ right.

Ohh man. Believe me flatjunkie, I am feeling your pain and frustration right now. I feel the same way, but the reality is, nope. Doesn't change a thing. This is why I always buy from iStock or hire one of my photographer friends. Just avoids the whole mess to begin with.
even with flatland being a small community, who is going to tell?

You would be surprised. You just never know.

What are my chances of meeting some guy that goes by the name of flatjunkie and probably lives on the opposite side of the country or even world from me? Yet here we are right? The internet has not only made things global, but anybody can see everything at any moment. Ever put an edit on youtube with a commercial song in it. Sometimes you can get away with it, other times...

I guess you could say if its you or me, we are probably fine, but for Global Flat? I think its a bad idea to put the site in that kind of situation. None of us want to put "our" site at risk.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: jm on March 26, 2011, 03:01:15 AM
there was a case awhile back, long time forum junkies will remember this; some hack made a book about flatland and got distribution on it. the book was garbage (irrelevant sidenote) but the reason I bring it up was that the "author" (read: copy paster) used an image of a guy riding flatland that he got off the internet, on the cover. sh*t hit the fan. any time you use a photographic image of someone without their permission, you open up a whole can of worms, infringing on both the rights of the photographer as well as the subject in the photo. technically, a rider, as well as the photographer, owns the image to a certain extent as far as I know. some people are cool with being put out there, but use caution; not everyone is.

that's a lot of hard talk I know, but I'm saying it because your design really is good. I dig it, but I'm worried if it "gets out there" you, or the website, may get some backlash at some point. I say keep the design, change the images of the riders to something just as rad, but without any legal snags,...which is a TON of work I know...and start winning  -_-
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: JUGGARNAUT on March 26, 2011, 03:06:32 AM
there was a case awhile back, long time forum junkies will remember this; some hack made a book about flatland and got distribution on it. the book was garbage (irrelevant sidenote) but the reason I bring it up was that the "author" (read: copy paster) used an image of a guy riding flatland that he got off the internet, on the cover. sh*t hit the fan. any time you use a photographic image of someone without their permission, you open up a whole can of worms, infringing on both the rights of the photographer as well as the subject in the photo. technically, a rider, as well as the photographer, owns the image to a certain extent as far as I know. some people are cool with being put out there, but use caution; not everyone is.

that's a lot of hard talk I know, but I'm saying it because your design really is good. I dig it, but I'm worried if it "gets out there" you, or the website, may get some backlash at some point. I say keep the design, change the images of the riders to something just as rad, but without any legal snags,...which is a TON of work I know...and start winning  -_-
..
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: jm on March 26, 2011, 03:14:22 AM
...

and if you did decide to re-do the design, or anyone else wanting to use a rider image, or stylized rider image like Keelan's at the top of the page, it would be kinda cool to have forum members submit them, that way you have permission, and the images reflect the riders who make the forum what it is.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Jake4130 on March 26, 2011, 03:17:05 AM
I like that a lot! +1!
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: jm on March 26, 2011, 03:20:13 AM
^thanks :)

In the words of Tim Gunn, "Ok designers, make it work!"
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: MarylandFlat on March 26, 2011, 07:07:10 AM
I wish I would've noticed this thread earlier. Heres somthing I did tonight to get warmed up. I probably won't submit this because the earth is way to detailed to print on a T-shirt. Hopefully I will be able to come up with somthing a little more simple. In case anyone is wondering I do have rights to the earth image. I'd also like to know what type of document should we send to global-flat? jpeg, psd??
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: blind on March 26, 2011, 07:55:16 AM
Yeah using someones likeness or someone elses photos can't get u in a lot of crap. Also buying images from istock and other sites may not be okay for products that will be sold. I work for a photography company and part of my job is designing green screen backgrounds. Have run into a lot of problems tring to stay legal.best bet is to always just use your own photos. There is even a big name pro that is involved with a lawsuit for them using his picture on a shirt. I won't say his name incase he doesn't want any neg attention on his name.  Might work somthing out for this contest if I get some time and can think of somthing cool to do.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Jake4130 on March 26, 2011, 09:57:25 AM
I wish I would've noticed this thread earlier. Heres somthing I did tonight to get warmed up. I probably won't submit this because the earth is way to detailed to print on a T-shirt. Hopefully I will be able to come up with somthing a little more simple. In case anyone is wondering I do have rights to the earth image. I'd also like to know what type of document should we send to global-flat? jpeg, psd??

Yeah man. Waaaaaaaay too busy. Not a bad idea, but you do need to simplify it and work out kinks.

I'm sure a mod will jump in, but I would guess a jpeg is fine for submission. Just hold onto a noncompressed (psd, ai, etc), high res (life size and 180 ppi minimum) version too in case you win.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Paul Chamberlain on March 26, 2011, 10:54:30 AM
([url]http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/5537/capturedcran20110323131.png[/url])


([url]http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/5537/capturedcran20110323131.png[/url])

[IMG=http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/9120/capturedcran20110323130.png][/IMG] ([url]http://img13.imageshack.us/i/capturedcran20110323130.png/[/url])

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it could be as simple as just a font, another stencil to update the existing one...
this is really unrefined, i just picked a font on dafont that's all...this is not a final design, it is only to participate to the general idea of what the design could be.



I really like it. Less is more. Maybe have the dot red. Black shirt, white text and red dot would be nice. I think the current font on the forum is bad and people should steer clear of it in their designs.

Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: keith on March 26, 2011, 03:21:59 PM
This one...
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: jm on March 26, 2011, 03:27:05 PM
This one...

hah! awesome  :beer:
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: JUGGARNAUT on March 26, 2011, 03:28:25 PM
This one...
I knew someone would keep it real...LMAO!!!! mi gusta!
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Havokflat on March 26, 2011, 03:47:23 PM
This one...
i would sport this just for the laughs
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Jake4130 on March 26, 2011, 04:01:47 PM
This one...

Have to admit, that's pretty funny!
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Nails on March 27, 2011, 03:42:52 AM
Here's mine...! hopefully will get a couple more done.

([url]http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/8444/globalflat1.jpg[/url])
COOL, I'd rock that for sure...!!!  People, make sure we can get these in LONG SLEVE too.....please. ;D


Real cool shirt, the blue print would go well on a grey shirt. One colour means it will be cheaper to print them. I would wear it.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Havokflat on March 27, 2011, 03:46:09 AM
Here's mine...! hopefully will get a couple more done.

([url]http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/8444/globalflat1.jpg[/url])
COOL, I'd rock that for sure...!!!  People, make sure we can get these in LONG SLEVE too.....please. ;D


Real cool shirt! I would wear it.

+1
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: MarylandFlat on March 27, 2011, 09:35:24 AM
Matelot's design looks awesome, it will be very hard to top that. Here's a design I made today.  ;D
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Nails on March 27, 2011, 10:29:19 AM
^ thats cool, how does it look with only two colours?
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Andrew Tarrant on March 27, 2011, 11:40:53 AM
This one...

Loving the push button get drama ;0
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: MarylandFlat on March 27, 2011, 07:54:46 PM
^ thats cool, how does it look with only two colours?

Thanks, I'm not sure, tonight I'll mess with it and see...Maybe do it in blue and grey.
 :beer:
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Lee on March 27, 2011, 08:25:27 PM
This one...

haha.  I want one.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Jake4130 on March 28, 2011, 03:31:16 AM
Thought it was time to upload some shirts. These are just to start with. Some are better than others, but I do like them all. I like the first and second ones the best.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Jake4130 on March 28, 2011, 03:42:50 AM
And the last for now...
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Rad255 on March 28, 2011, 04:07:48 AM
Here's mine...! hopefully will get a couple more done.

([url]http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/8444/globalflat1.jpg[/url])
COOL, I'd rock that for sure...!!!  People, make sure we can get these in LONG SLEVE too.....please. ;D


Real cool shirt! I would wear it.

+1


This just like it is. Blue on a all white short sleeve and a long sleeve.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Nails on March 28, 2011, 02:06:18 PM
Here's mine...! hopefully will get a couple more done.

([url]http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/8444/globalflat1.jpg[/url])
COOL, I'd rock that for sure...!!!  People, make sure we can get these in LONG SLEVE too.....please. ;D


Real cool shirt! I would wear it.

+1


This just like it is. Blue on a all white short sleeve and a long sleeve.


White long sleeves suck, grey ones are tight!
White shirts, good for riding (no pit patches)
Grey long sleeves for wearing around and looking cool. A run of both would be neat?

Would totally like this on a grey hoodie too, just saying.

I also dig that multi-coloured one above, except multiple colours get pricey!
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: ASC on March 28, 2011, 05:22:47 PM
Nice design Nails.

Just some thoughts...not to be taken personal.
Why the brackets? Brackets means confined. The bike needs to be moved lower. I like the cut off seat on the bike, defines its not just another ordinary bike. The cut off seat suggests/defines originality, I don't feel it needs to be said in text/word form.

I like the idea of the arrow in the original Global Flat design. There much that can be incorporated with the arrow concept, and lines of continuity be it uncluttered manner or not.

N
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Andrew.. on March 28, 2011, 07:08:48 PM
Nice design Nails.

Just some thoughts...not to be taken personal.
Why the brackets? Brackets means confined. The bike needs to be moved lower. I like the cut off seat on the bike, defines its not just another ordinary bike. The cut off seat suggests/defines originality, I don't feel it needs to be said in text/word form.

I like the idea of the arrow in the original Global Flat design. There much that can be incorporated with the arrow concept, and lines of continuity be it uncluttered manner or not.

N

Cheers for the feedback, (the design is mine, not nails) - The brackets are just a typography thing, I see what you are saying with the confined thing but It's just a design made to look nice and there's no intentional / hidden visual communication in there.. and of course not taken personally!  -_-  :beer:
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Andrew.. on March 28, 2011, 11:18:26 PM
So, I quit doing homework tonight and made another. I like this one better. enjoy! (view the full size for details!)

(http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/944/gf201i.jpg)
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: flatjunkie on March 29, 2011, 12:32:46 AM
So, I quit doing homework tonight and made another. I like this one better. enjoy! (view the full size for details!)

([url]http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/944/gf201i.jpg[/url])

very nice!!! is that 4130 chromo?  nope looks like gloabl-flat.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Jake4130 on March 29, 2011, 02:42:11 AM
Guess I should mention that my designs are on black just to show that they look like. They could actually be on any color.

I actually hate black too (because it is so freakin' hot in the summer.

I think white is worse though because it gets ruined pretty easy. I have actually bought a white shirt off the rack and put it on at the shop and by the end of the day, that brand new shirt was a grease rag. White may be cooler for the summer, but just gets dirty too easily.

I tend to lean towards grays, greens and maroons.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: ASC on March 29, 2011, 04:35:51 AM
So, I quit doing homework tonight and made another. I like this one better. enjoy! (view the full size for details!)

([url]http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/944/gf201i.jpg[/url])


Very good again...Matelot. Got the right designer's name this time... ;D

Yeah grays would be cool. Blue-ish grey, or pale greys. There ya go, still along the lines of the GF colours. Workmen colours, can dig it.


N
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Jake4130 on March 29, 2011, 04:40:47 AM
If I can have anything to do with it, the blue and tan on the site will be going away. As I mentioned earlier, working on an updated and more modern look for the site. Of course I don't get the final say, but I can tell you those colors are gone in my version.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: wesbmxr on March 29, 2011, 06:32:51 AM
There are some KILLER designs on this thread, and I commend the artists 100%. If I may make a point, though, I think the newly-adopted T-shirt design should make obvious the fact that the site is about riding BMX BIKES! "Global-flat.com", in and of itself, does not convey the notion that marvelous feats of balance and physics, often involving rolling and scuffing in precarious positions, are taking place on 20" bikes. The flatland-specific graphics drive the point home, I think.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Jake4130 on March 29, 2011, 06:43:23 AM
There are some KILLER designs on this thread, and I commend the artists 100%. If I may make a point, though, I think the newly-adopted T-shirt design should make obvious the fact that the site is about riding BMX BIKES! "Global-flat.com", in and of itself, does not convey the notion that marvelous feats of balance and physics, often involving rolling and scuffing in precarious positions, are taking place on 20" bikes. The flatland-specific graphics drive the point home, I think.

Not sure I agree. To me its about supporting Global-flat.com. In my opinion if your coming here, your already hooked. Your not finding global flat by accident. You have already made the decision to at least look into flat so you have a little of an idea what it is. I don't think a shirt about this site gets the kid interested. I think that part is already done and GF gives guys a spot to hang out and talk shop.

Besides that, there is something about a bit of mystery: "What is Global-Flat?" "Well you see flatland is...." Starts the conversation and the rest don't give a crap anyway.

Let's face it, a t-shirt is not going to grow the sport. You would actually have better luck talking to kids that watch you and want to ask you questions and answering them.

So I think the shirts should be about the riders, what we are into and what we like and not about showing others what we do. Let your riding and attitude do that, not a shirt.

Just my opinion though.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: wesbmxr on March 29, 2011, 07:13:32 AM
I respect your opinion Jake, and you make some valid points, to be sure. I wasn't trying to be too deep with it, I just would like to see some differentiation...perhaps typing in "Global-flat.com" without the hyphen would best exemplify my point. I'm not out to transform anyone's mindset with a T-shirt, but if it's a flatland T-shirt, let's see some flatland!
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Jake4130 on March 29, 2011, 07:38:29 AM
I respect your opinion Jake, and you make some valid points, to be sure. I wasn't trying to be too deep with it, I just would like to see some differentiation...perhaps typing in "Global-flat.com" without the hyphen would best exemplify my point. I'm not out to transform anyone's mindset with a T-shirt, but if it's a flatland T-shirt, let's see some flatland!

I hear ya man and I agree that having some riders on the shirt cant hurt. I just think looking at a t-shirt as a tool to grow the sport might be a bit unrealistic. So instead lets make a shirt we will wear so we can support global-flat.com: a site for flat riders. That way all those riders that we get interested in riding (at our local spots) have somewhere to go to talk about flat and keep it going.

I guess there is too much of me that wants all of us to get out there and be seen and talk with kids about the sport and how cool all of us know it is. But that is another subject entirely.

Sorry for getting us off subject.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Jake4130 on March 29, 2011, 07:42:47 AM
i must say i like the little sillhouette guys doing tricks too .......im thinking.... globe stretched out square and flattened with rounded corners....blue and green sea and continents.......guy on top doing wheelie with e.t style basket and moon top half coming up behind horizon of flat globe then global flat lettering in arch over moon........all in earthy blue&green just with black outlines t shirt in same blue..   :mellow:

Dude this one just made me laugh. Not because it's a bad idea or anything, but because I had this exact idea , but I tossed it aside as one I just didnt want to play with. Again a good idea and nothing wrong with it at all. Just goes to show how we all think of the same things sometimes.  :beer:
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: jm on March 29, 2011, 07:44:51 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/MEwkX.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/gcy15.jpg)
not entirely sold on the font, just ideas...
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Jake4130 on March 29, 2011, 07:54:02 AM
Hmm kinda like that!
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: ASC on March 29, 2011, 07:58:22 AM
JM  can you make the FONTS bigger.









 ;D

N
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: jm on March 29, 2011, 08:04:55 AM
yeah, I don't love the font and size from a design point of view at all..this was just a lazy idea sharing. if the idea is good, i'd be happy to find a bigger, better looking font
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: ASC on March 29, 2011, 08:12:44 AM
yeah, I don't love the font and size from a design point of view at all..this was just a lazy idea sharing. if the idea is good, i'd be happy to find a bigger, better looking font

Kidding...notice big grin face at the bottom of the post.

Just playing/being silly on a typical response when a designer is asked about a project and a boss who has no way to explain what is desired...."CAN YOU MAKE THE FONTS BIGGER".
Its the most irritating thing to say in the world of communication and design...lol

N  :mellow:
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Jake4130 on March 29, 2011, 08:30:47 AM
Ahhhh yes. You need some Make My Logo Bigger Cream!
http://www.makemylogobiggercream.com/ (http://www.makemylogobiggercream.com/)
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Wouter van der Linde on March 29, 2011, 11:03:05 AM
So, I quit doing homework tonight and made another. I like this one better. enjoy! (view the full size for details!)

([url]http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/944/gf201i.jpg[/url])



And we have a winner!  :ride:
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: MICHELE on March 29, 2011, 12:47:55 PM
the : my world is flat
is the best ever.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: DennyFlatlandBMX on March 29, 2011, 03:02:47 PM
well this is my example.

I think we shouldn't "reinvent the wheel" :)

(http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/5272/globalflatdesign.jpg) (http://img850.imageshack.us/i/globalflatdesign.jpg/)

may be you like it, and because of photo rights, i think you can handle it with -fat tony- :)
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Jake4130 on March 29, 2011, 07:51:17 PM
well this is my example.

I think we shouldn't "reinvent the wheel" :)

([url]http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/5272/globalflatdesign.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://img850.imageshack.us/i/globalflatdesign.jpg/[/url])

may be you like it, and because of photo rights, i think you can handle it with -fat tony- :)


My apologies to the person that came up with the current logo, but it is absolutely horrid lol.

Like the concept of the design though! But I have to admit, it looks an awful lot like this one:
http://www.flatlandfuel.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1610 (http://www.flatlandfuel.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1610)
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: badlove on March 29, 2011, 08:43:52 PM
So, I quit doing homework tonight and made another. I like this one better. enjoy! (view the full size for details!)

([url]http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/944/gf201i.jpg[/url])



And we have a winner!  :ride:



This one is my favorite so far
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Havokflat on March 29, 2011, 09:02:20 PM
well this is my example.

I think we shouldn't "reinvent the wheel" :)

([url]http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/5272/globalflatdesign.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://img850.imageshack.us/i/globalflatdesign.jpg/[/url])

may be you like it, and because of photo rights, i think you can handle it with -fat tony- :)


My apologies to the person that came up with the current logo, but it is absolutely horrid lol.

Like the concept of the design though! But I have to admit, it looks an awful lot like this one:
[url]http://www.flatlandfuel.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1610[/url] ([url]http://www.flatlandfuel.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1610[/url])


i don't think it looks like that one at all.



i like this one too

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/944/gf201i.jpg (http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/944/gf201i.jpg)


Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Flatism® on March 29, 2011, 09:22:17 PM
So, I quit doing homework tonight and made another. I like this one better. enjoy! (view the full size for details!)

([url]http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/944/gf201i.jpg[/url])



And we have a winner!  :ride:



This one is my favorite so far
+1
I feel even more could be done with this one. The only thing is the details of this bike may look dated in a month.or so's time... Best stick some Intrikats on there for a start.  ^_^
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: ASC on March 29, 2011, 09:28:25 PM
well this is my example.

I think we shouldn't "reinvent the wheel" :)

([url]http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/5272/globalflatdesign.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://img850.imageshack.us/i/globalflatdesign.jpg/[/url])

may be you like it, and because of photo rights, i think you can handle it with -fat tony- :)


There is no playing around, straight to the point. Simplicity is sublime. Like. Its a start or a reinvention to what already exists.

Like the choice of trick/bike too.

Consider lowering the image a bit, just so its not so close to the neck/shoulder too much. Really like the v-neck and shape of the shirt display. If and when hope to see some are printed on different neck lines and few for women to wear too. Would be happy to cut and sew this on the Action Sports Coalition Jacket.

What does Master Martin like? Complete reinvention or ode to what is...

N
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: DennyFlatlandBMX on March 30, 2011, 02:04:54 AM
Considering ASC's reply, i did that!!
i think black and white are two good options, Men & Woman each time
I like the Black one the most! This blue have to pop out :)


(http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/1814/globalflatdesignmodelbl.jpg) (http://img703.imageshack.us/i/globalflatdesignmodelbl.jpg/)


(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/2884/globalflatdesignmodelwh.jpg) (http://img194.imageshack.us/i/globalflatdesignmodelwh.jpg/)


(http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/5936/globalflatdesignwhite.jpg) (http://img705.imageshack.us/i/globalflatdesignwhite.jpg/)


 :ph34r:
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: ondo on March 30, 2011, 07:30:40 AM
Waiting for some better entries, this last one from Denny is cool.

The bike thing seems pretty strange, I can't see that on a shirt..
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Kevin Brill @ Kassel on March 30, 2011, 07:59:26 AM
I also like the design from denny the most! simple but good looking. Also a good advertisement for this site!

If someone wears this shirt while riding, the site will get more views and potential new beginners if the adress is good to read!

well made, denny!

(but the matthias photo will get the haters out again :D )
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: DennyFlatlandBMX on March 30, 2011, 03:13:51 PM
Also a good advertisement for this site!
If someone wears this shirt while riding, the site will get more views and potential new beginners if the adress is good to read!

..As it should be!!!  That's the name of the game!  ^_^

(but the matthias photo will get the haters out again :D )

i thought about that, too. but come on!! its a real streetbike (for "BMX in general") and the plasticman is just one of the best looking tricks if you get it dialed
this trick describe flatland in a very good way in my opinion.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: DennyFlatlandBMX on March 30, 2011, 06:49:20 PM
that shouldnt be a matter... :rolleyes:

one more TRY
(i think this is my final version)
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: SurfonFlatland on March 30, 2011, 06:56:06 PM
Whenever deciding to put the shirts into production, please use a soft fabric t-shirt with a decent cut - longer, slimmer torso, and broader shoulder cuts.  Please.  Really cannot stand it when shirts are printed on low quality, uncomfortable shirts.  Maybe some 50/50 American Apparel Tees?
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: ASC on March 31, 2011, 07:31:18 PM
ASC's graphic guy and brother from another mother here...
thought I would take a stab at the T contest on the boss lady's urging!

Cheers!

Kneel, AKA Neil Mercer, AAKA the Graphic Guy

(http://www3.sympatico.ca/tikibaba/gftee.jpg)

Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: rawchild on March 31, 2011, 07:38:11 PM
Hey that looks nice!!
 
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: dcheney on March 31, 2011, 07:44:17 PM
There are some talented graphic artists here.  I love that last one!
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: jm on March 31, 2011, 07:44:59 PM
Whenever deciding to put the shirts into production, please use a soft fabric t-shirt with a decent cut - longer, slimmer torso, and broader shoulder cuts.  Please.  Really cannot stand it when shirts are printed on low quality, uncomfortable shirts.  Maybe some 50/50 American Apparel Tees?

I second that. Empire BMX uses those for all their shirts and they are an absolute joy to wear. Super comfortable and a great cut. Shirts that feel good are worn more often.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: ying on March 31, 2011, 11:54:36 PM
Here's mines. I choose a peg wheelie because every flat and street rider could do it. I use the world as the head, "mother nature's kid". I did what I could with the resources that I have.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: ASC on April 01, 2011, 02:28:38 AM
I had to do a new reply....I couldn't quote ASC...lol

Yes, Neil But that's "Big Boss Lady" to you, thinks and knows you can do better. lol

I still like the the plastic man trick image used by Matelot. I find to be a more modern image.

Neela

(Jm you see, sometimes we have to put our names, because its not just me who uses the GF ASC account).
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Martin on April 01, 2011, 02:47:27 PM
Thanks for all the awesome designs that have already been posted! There are 9 days left ... WE WANT TO SEE MORE COOL DESIGNS

If you want to do me a favor then please send your final designs to info@global-flat.com too
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: SurfonFlatland on April 03, 2011, 12:27:20 AM
There should not be a rider or trick in the shirt design, otherwise it will just look cheap and tacky.  I love flatland, but sporting a shirt with a rider and a bike doing a trick is not in the least sense appealing, especially to the world of people who don't ride bikes. 
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: rawchild on April 03, 2011, 01:52:01 AM
There should not be a rider or trick in the shirt design, otherwise it will just look cheap and tacky.  I love flatland, but sporting a shirt with a rider and a bike doing a trick is not in the least sense appealing, especially to the world of people who don't ride bikes. 
sounds boring to me...
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Jake4130 on April 03, 2011, 02:33:55 AM
There should not be a rider or trick in the shirt design, otherwise it will just look cheap and tacky.  I love flatland, but sporting a shirt with a rider and a bike doing a trick is not in the least sense appealing, especially to the world of people who don't ride bikes. 

I would tend to agree with this. Rider doesn't need to be on the shirt and it does tend to look cheesy and "Kmart/walmart." to be fair though, I think most of the shirts guys have made so far with a rider do a prettyi good job of staying off the cheesy side.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: MarylandFlat on April 03, 2011, 09:23:02 AM
Everyone's designs are looking great! I made some improvements to my original design w/ the hitchhiker but it's still not perfect, I'm having trouble figuring out exactly how to use adobe's pen tool but I'm getting the hang of it so hopefully I will be able to improve it further. The other one is a little intense but I like it. I don't think I will be able to come up with a winning design but it's cool to be able to participate.

 :beer:
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Jake4130 on April 03, 2011, 10:36:49 AM
Everyone's designs are looking great! I made some improvements to my original design w/ the hitchhiker but it's still not perfect, I'm having trouble figuring out exactly how to use adobe's pen tool but I'm getting the hang of it so hopefully I will be able to improve it further. The other one is a little intense but I like it. I don't think I will be able to come up with a winning design but it's cool to be able to participate.

 :beer:

Oh man if you were only closer, I would be happy to tutor you on using Illustrator. I do training all the time on graphics software in particular.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: MarylandFlat on April 03, 2011, 07:45:22 PM
Everyone's designs are looking great! I made some improvements to my original design w/ the hitchhiker but it's still not perfect, I'm having trouble figuring out exactly how to use adobe's pen tool but I'm getting the hang of it so hopefully I will be able to improve it further. The other one is a little intense but I like it. I don't think I will be able to come up with a winning design but it's cool to be able to participate.

 :beer:

Oh man if you were only closer, I would be happy to tutor you on using Illustrator. I do training all the time on graphics software in particular.


I'm actually in school for graphic design but I'm only taking one GDT course this semester and we only covered very basic stuff about illustrator. I've been watching tutorials on Lynda.com trying to get more comfortable with it.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: datisstom on April 03, 2011, 07:46:55 PM
does anybody make 'signatures' here? (photoshop)
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Jake4130 on April 03, 2011, 07:52:30 PM
Everyone's designs are looking great! I made some improvements to my original design w/ the hitchhiker but it's still not perfect, I'm having trouble figuring out exactly how to use adobe's pen tool but I'm getting the hang of it so hopefully I will be able to improve it further. The other one is a little intense but I like it. I don't think I will be able to come up with a winning design but it's cool to be able to participate.

 :beer:

Oh man if you were only closer, I would be happy to tutor you on using Illustrator. I do training all the time on graphics software in particular.


I'm actually in school for graphic design but I'm only taking one GDT course this semester and we only covered very basic stuff about illustrator. I've been watching tutorials on Lynda.com trying to get more comfortable with it.

I hear that. At least they are teaching you something. Most of the Universities in Colorado teach design, but it is left up to you to learn the software on your own. We get a ton of University students at our Community College because of that.

Get yourself a copy of "Adobe Illustrator CS5 Revealed." Easy book to get your head around and it is very quick. That is what we teach from at our CC.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Jake4130 on April 03, 2011, 07:56:58 PM
does anybody make 'signatures' here? (photoshop)

http://www.astahost.com/info.php/Photoshop-Tutorial-Signature_t15200.html (http://www.astahost.com/info.php/Photoshop-Tutorial-Signature_t15200.html)
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: datisstom on April 03, 2011, 08:38:34 PM
I know how to make sigs. x) I'm just curious. Btw, the sig in the tutorial is horrible.  :P
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: ASC on April 04, 2011, 05:18:27 PM
There should not be a rider or trick in the shirt design, otherwise it will just look cheap and tacky.  I love flatland, but sporting a shirt with a rider and a bike doing a trick is not in the least sense appealing, especially to the world of people who don't ride bikes.  

I was going to ask you if we could use one of your riding pics for the T-shirt design, since the rider image Neil used I felt it was too 90s...We looked at a few rider images and you have some really cool pics to work with, good clean lines for isolation....lol Out the window with that idea now.

I can't say I don't completely agree with "no bike,no rider" image...but if its done really good then either way(i.e VANS did good with their skateboard image and the name itself)...Maybe an image with the letters: G, F and and then listed below on whatever the image...GlobalFlat.com,  so people don't think it stands for GirlFriend.com.  ^_^

Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: MarylandFlat on April 05, 2011, 04:18:06 AM
Everyone's designs are looking great! I made some improvements to my original design w/ the hitchhiker but it's still not perfect, I'm having trouble figuring out exactly how to use adobe's pen tool but I'm getting the hang of it so hopefully I will be able to improve it further. The other one is a little intense but I like it. I don't think I will be able to come up with a winning design but it's cool to be able to participate.

 :beer:

Oh man if you were only closer, I would be happy to tutor you on using Illustrator. I do training all the time on graphics software in particular.


I'm actually in school for graphic design but I'm only taking one GDT course this semester and we only covered very basic stuff about illustrator. I've been watching tutorials on Lynda.com trying to get more comfortable with it.

I hear that. At least they are teaching you something. Most of the Universities in Colorado teach design, but it is left up to you to learn the software on your own. We get a ton of University students at our Community College because of that.

Get yourself a copy of "Adobe Illustrator CS5 Revealed." Easy book to get your head around and it is very quick. That is what we teach from at our CC.
Cool, I will pick a copy up. Thanks for the advice!
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Stereolab on April 05, 2011, 05:38:30 PM
There should not be a rider or trick in the shirt design, otherwise it will just look cheap and tacky.  I love flatland, but sporting a shirt with a rider and a bike doing a trick is not in the least sense appealing, especially to the world of people who don't ride bikes. 

I cannot put into words how much I agree with this.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: LOU4130 on April 06, 2011, 12:30:19 AM
There should not be a rider or trick in the shirt design, otherwise it will just look cheap and tacky.  I love flatland, but sporting a shirt with a rider and a bike doing a trick is not in the least sense appealing, especially to the world of people who don't ride bikes. 

I cannot put into words how much I agree with this.


Ehhhh i see that point, but i always liked the shirt designs with riders and/orbikes on them...as long as its done right. Yes, it can be tacky or cheap looking if its designed like that. But i have seen some shirts i like alot with a rider/bike on them.

Also if we eliminate that from the design, then we arent really "getting the word about flatland" out there. Not that we said that was the oint of the shirt...but, i feel it should be part of it. Justn seeing a shirt that says global-flat..will mean less to an outsider than seeing the name and a picture, yea maybe they wont know what the trick may be they are looking at, but they will get the idea. I have an old shirt i got from FF like 5yrs ago..some of you may remember it..it says push hard, and has a siloette of someone doing a timemachine(i think i forget..i havent worn it cuz i gained a little weight lol) ...but my point is, i get cool comment s from people all the time when i did wear it. This of course is just my opinion, and whatever we decide on ill likely want it LOL.  Keep in mind there is a website "globalflat.com"..and its a travel agency or something like that. We dont want to lead people there now do we.... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: out~riding on April 06, 2011, 01:53:11 AM
I think I will participate in this.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: rawchild on April 06, 2011, 03:50:57 AM
There should not be a rider or trick in the shirt design, otherwise it will just look cheap and tacky.  I love flatland, but sporting a shirt with a rider and a bike doing a trick is not in the least sense appealing, especially to the world of people who don't ride bikes.  
Then just the logo on the front and how about some supporting sponsors on the back of the shirt.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Jason Rideout on April 07, 2011, 06:24:07 AM
messin around in photo bucket.  :beer:                                                                                     (http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/ww214/jasonrideout/miami4-1-2.jpg)






Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Jake4130 on April 07, 2011, 07:28:33 AM
messin around in photo bucket.  :beer:                                                                                     ([url]http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/ww214/jasonrideout/miami4-1-2.jpg[/url])









I know a lot of guys are leaning away from a trick on the shirt (I'm one of them), but you cant really go wrong with a hopper. Just classic!
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Jason Rideout on April 07, 2011, 07:44:08 AM
thank .maybe i should have read all the post first.  ;D  im not to serious with this post just throwing ideas out there . maybe a rider would be alrite in the design as long as you dont recognize them.  :beer:
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Dennis@Weiden on April 07, 2011, 11:59:23 AM
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z442/Dennis_Begen/globalflat1.jpg)
 -_-
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z442/Dennis_Begen/globalflat.jpg)
  -_-
the global-flat looks a bit dark, but i changed it, so it looks more bright.
colour can be changed, i just liked the red  -_- just tell me what you like and what not, so i can make it better  :beer:
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Jake4130 on April 07, 2011, 06:53:34 PM
([url]http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z442/Dennis_Begen/globalflat1.jpg[/url])
 -_-
([url]http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z442/Dennis_Begen/globalflat.jpg[/url])
  -_-
the global-flat looks a bit dark, but i changed it, so it looks more bright.
colour can be changed, i just liked the red  -_- just tell me what you like and what not, so i can make it better  :beer:


Like the concept, but for a good portion of people it might be a pretty hard sell (read: they wont buy it) because of the concept on which the design is based. Then again there are plenty of t shirts with skulls on them that sell just fine too. I don't buy them, but obviously somebody is. Unfortunately I would pass this one over too.

I guess my point is why hinder a design by knowingly taking a chance of ticking some one off. Unless there is going to be a run of a bunch of different shirts (choice), something more general and safe might be a good idea.

my 2 cents.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Andrew.. on April 07, 2011, 07:05:43 PM
Dennis your design is waaaay similar to this one. not implying you ripped it, but just fyi!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Human-BMX-Evolution-bike-New-T-shirt-s-xxl-/150522743392?pt=Men_s_Clothes&hash=item230bdaca60 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Human-BMX-Evolution-bike-New-T-shirt-s-xxl-/150522743392?pt=Men_s_Clothes&hash=item230bdaca60)
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Dennis@Weiden on April 07, 2011, 07:37:36 PM
I agree with you guys and i think this idea is used way too many times and global flat needs something special :-P
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: badlove on April 08, 2011, 06:31:03 PM
ASC's graphic guy and brother from another mother here...
thought I would take a stab at the T contest on the boss lady's urging!

Cheers!

Kneel, AKA Neil Mercer, AAKA the Graphic Guy

([url]http://www3.sympatico.ca/tikibaba/gftee.jpg[/url])




I like this design the most so far
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Paul Chamberlain on April 09, 2011, 05:28:52 AM
ASC's graphic guy and brother from another mother here...
thought I would take a stab at the T contest on the boss lady's urging!

Cheers!

Kneel, AKA Neil Mercer, AAKA the Graphic Guy

([url]http://www3.sympatico.ca/tikibaba/gftee.jpg[/url])




I think this is the only good design so far. It's sweet. I'd wear a tshirt with it on it.

The rest of the designs just aren't as professional looking as this one but this guy is a designer after all.

The evolution was a nice idea first time around but it's totally played out to death in every field of everything.

The simple graff style logo shirt isn't bad it's a bit uninspiring and has nothing to do with flatland.

I can't see this design being beaten. It's flatland. It's worldwide. It's attractive. The text is nice. It fits the bill for me as it can be use without any text at all to symbolise Global-flat.

Paul

I like this design the most so far
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Jake4130 on April 09, 2011, 06:02:59 AM
ASC's graphic guy and brother from another mother here...
thought I would take a stab at the T contest on the boss lady's urging!

Cheers!

Kneel, AKA Neil Mercer, AAKA the Graphic Guy

([url]http://www3.sympatico.ca/tikibaba/gftee.jpg[/url])




I think this is the only good design so far. It's sweet. I'd wear a tshirt with it on it.

The rest of the designs just aren't as professional looking as this one but this guy is a designer after all.

The evolution was a nice idea first time around but it's totally played out to death in every field of everything.

The simple graff style logo shirt isn't bad it's a bit uninspiring and has nothing to do with flatland.

I can't see this design being beaten. It's flatland. It's worldwide. It's attractive. The text is nice. It fits the bill for me as it can be use without any text at all to symbolise Global-flat.

Paul

I like this design the most so far



My colleague and I were "critiquing" this today simply because I had it up on my laptop and we were between tweaking, designing and beating the crap out of an unrelated logo for a client.

He pointed out the very thing that I had been thinking about; The rider needs to be "inside" the gyroscopic lines. Otherwise it looks like it is just pasted on top and makes less sense. There is something about the depth of field that just doesn't feel right, like how an Escher drawing messes with your eyes.

I defended it because if the rider were "inside," a lot of him would be covered by the lines and too much of him would be lost, but he rebutted and said the lines could be thinned out a bit and the rider scaled in a way that would work correctly so that is no excuse. I have to agree that he has a point.


I also don't like the script font (especially since it looks like the capitol letters are a different font), but I hate script fonts in general. Im a bit of a helvetica snob. ;)
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Stereolab on April 10, 2011, 05:27:57 AM

The logo should be the global-flat logo.  There should not be a rider silhouette on the shirt.  Just my opinions.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Gregdesigner on April 10, 2011, 08:24:43 PM

Hello,
Here are my Designs.

"Flat vs. Street" ;)

(http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/1953/version6.jpg) (http://img24.imageshack.us/i/version6.jpg/)

"Flat vs. Street Version Nr.:2"

(http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/2449/version0.jpg) (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/version0.jpg/)

"My answer to the Deep Bmx shirt." :mellow:

(http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/7435/version4p.jpg) (http://img593.imageshack.us/i/version4p.jpg/)

Detail

(http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/5769/flath.jpg) (http://img855.imageshack.us/i/flath.jpg/)

Silhouette combinated with the global.

(http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/8598/verison3.jpg) (http://img694.imageshack.us/i/verison3.jpg/)

Detail

(http://img816.imageshack.us/img816/5306/flat2.jpg) (http://img816.imageshack.us/i/flat2.jpg/)

Silhouette combinated with the global. Nr.: 2

(http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/5870/version2.jpg) (http://img848.imageshack.us/i/version2.jpg/)

Silhouette combinated with global-flat.com

(http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7168/version1w.jpg) (http://img27.imageshack.us/i/version1w.jpg/)

Hope you like it.

Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: 2flat2furious on April 11, 2011, 03:24:42 AM
slightly off topic but how does one go about designing a greg
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: ?uest on April 11, 2011, 03:31:36 AM
please NO silhouette of riders
they are just plain cheesy no matter how you design them.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Jake4130 on April 11, 2011, 03:46:24 AM
<sniff sniff> I smell LiveTrace....
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Jake4130 on April 11, 2011, 06:30:31 AM
Well this one is going to be my last entry.

I figured that I tend to get this design across the chest of all of my t-shirts after a few minutes of riding, primarily from doing undertakers. Might as well make it permanent! ;)

Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: ondo on April 11, 2011, 06:45:23 AM
This one from Jake is okay, but could someone make just tire marks, for example turbines/circles + the global flat text

The text style from Greg is good too. Would like to see some other text in it. Maybe

"Columbus was wrong.
World is flat."

With the white and blue font + the global flat logo
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Jake4130 on April 11, 2011, 06:51:04 AM
This one from Jake is okay, but could someone make just tire marks, for example turbines/circles + the global flat text

Dang it Ondo! Thought I was done. That is just too good of an idea to pass up though. I will give it shot to see if I can get it to look right.

If your trying to get me to use the global flat logo though, I will never do it. Probably insulting somebody (my apologies), but that logo is absolutely horrible.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Jake4130 on April 11, 2011, 07:37:09 AM
Ok this is seriously the last one.

Not exactly what you were thinking, Im sure Ondo, but I do like the way it looks. Probably pretty accurate to the pattern from like a mega spin or something like that. Plus I like the star image in the middle. Makes it a shape as well as a tire mark.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: manu on April 11, 2011, 09:42:34 AM
Kinda like the direction this is going.
I'd like to see more real tiremarks in a softer tone and fade-outs.

For a catchphrase I'd like to make a proposition too;"My world's flat."

P.S.: The Persians were the first to figure out that the world is a sphere and Ferdinand Magellan was the first to prove it by sailing around it.
By the time Columbus left Portugal in search of new trading route with India (hence the name "Indians") everybody knew the world was round.
At least all the intellectually non-oppressed population of Europe knew.
Today there still are some religious nutcases who will not admit that we are descendants of monkeys and that the earth they walk on is round.
Either way my world's flat! :)
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Jake4130 on April 11, 2011, 09:47:53 AM
Today there still are some religious nutcases who will not admit that we are descendants of monkeys and that the earth they walk on is round.
Either way my world's flat! :)

Careful man. You never know you you might be insulting. I could easily say there are nut cases out there that believe that a bunch of random atoms had the humor to get together and make you look like that. Lets leave name calling out of the discussion eh? ;)
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: manu on April 11, 2011, 10:37:31 AM
To all whom I might have offended; you can reach me on "manueeckhout@hotmail.com" for a healthy discussion.
And if you insist on calling me a nutcase on this forum for all the good reasons you can think of, please do so and then mail me your arguments and frustrations.
I'll be more than happy to adress them.

Jake if you still have the time get your teeth in this and persist; you've got a good thing going!
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Gregdesigner on April 11, 2011, 07:23:52 PM
<sniff sniff> I smell LiveTrace....

WRONG !!!

Never heard of "LiveTrace" so I googled it. I would never work with thing like that.
Its a very cheap way to create an vector path.

I made the design in Illustrator CS5. I worked with my wacom tablet and I used the vector pen tool. It´s a high quality design. It´s up to you if you like the Design or not.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Guav on April 11, 2011, 08:22:02 PM
Late entry :(


Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: ondo on April 11, 2011, 09:10:51 PM
Jake, it's going somewhere with the tire marks, but yes, as manu said it should be more realistic - softer and fading..

About the history..Oh, yes I totally forgat everything I learned in school, my bad! ;D

My world is flat

is something I would definately wear..
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Jake4130 on April 11, 2011, 09:22:47 PM
I agree that more realistic would probably be better, but honestly I would be willing to bet that this isn't as far off as we think I terms of realism. Ill for sure be looking next time im riding to see the missing details.

Still I think it "reads" right as what it is, even if it is a bit artificial. Not to mention it works very well as a "30 minutes before the contest is closed" entry. Not to mention this version is more screen printing friendly.

So if it ends up being chosen and Martin wants me to work it and make it more real, I can do that. For now, it is what it is and it's finished.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: EZChris on April 12, 2011, 02:09:51 AM
Whats up with everyones use of vectors? Is there a cost limitation?

This is something I mocked up. f*ck vectors, pretty outdated look instantly.

(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t203/photo240/globalflattee.jpg)


If anyone cant figure it out, its a lit roof of a multi-story carpark. Any flatlander has spent nuff time in one of these places looking up....

An idea also from Ciaran is to tie into different countries by having global flat written in each countries respective language - that way it really is "global" rather than sticking to english. A tee with such design with japanese or hebrew etc would look really, really sick. Plus the concept is instantly "global" without being cheesy by having a globe present.

If anyone wants a higher res version I will make it if people actually like it, if not use it as muse as a way to design and get away from illustrator.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Jake4130 on April 12, 2011, 02:20:38 AM
Vector art is just easier to make a screen out of and have it look good and continue to look good between runs without having to do a lot of screen repair.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: EZChris on April 12, 2011, 02:23:04 AM
i undertand screen printing I just dont see why, unless stated there is a cost implication, everyone is submitting vectors.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Jake4130 on April 12, 2011, 02:26:48 AM
I guess you could say it's playing it safe? I know I would rather fall on the safe side with shirts for me, so I guess there is that natural tendency. :beer:
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Guav on April 12, 2011, 02:31:17 AM
i undertand screen printing I just dont see why, unless stated there is a cost implication, everyone is submitting vectors.

A great photo shirt starts with a great photo, and most people don't have those. I could make some great designs from some really wonderful photos I found on the internet, but I don't have the rights to use them.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: manu on April 12, 2011, 09:02:30 AM
Hey chris good idea but why is it upside down?
When I do an upsidedown megaspin and look up everything still looks normal to me.
It's all moving fast yes but not upside down.
Nicely done nonetheless.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: EZChris on April 12, 2011, 01:06:25 PM
Hey chris good idea but why is it upside down?
When I do an upsidedown megaspin and look up everything still looks normal to me.
It's all moving fast yes but not upside down.
Nicely done nonetheless.

Just a bit different, I guess. No reason other that that. Plus I like using this area of the tee rather than the standard top layout across the breast. No other reason. Glad you liked it.


i undertand screen printing I just dont see why, unless stated there is a cost implication, everyone is submitting vectors.

A great photo shirt starts with a great photo, and most people don't have those. I could make some great designs from some really wonderful photos I found on the internet, but I don't have the rights to use them.

There are a ton of free stock photo sites on the net who will give you stock photographs like the one I used under Creative Commons licence, meaning you can use it.

Or,

you can buy a stock photo from a premium site which then gives you the rights to use the photo for whatever you please. They only cost about 8 quid or so for a high res copy.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: kchez on April 12, 2011, 02:14:22 PM
Digging the gyroscope design the most so far-maybe some more detail in the rider though. I'm getting what was being said about the rider being "inside" the arrow lines. Maybe give them a fading out look with a large halftone dot so as not to obscure the rider. It's a clean, easy to understand design that will be easy to print, which is important.

Vector or raster shouldn't make a difference from a screen printing standpoint, but what does is the use of "all over" or seam to seam prints, like what EZ Chris designed. You're getting into specialized production to do so (read-expense) Sticking to a standard print area will help make the shirts easier to produce. Vector is a preferred format when designing for t-shirts; usually limits production/quality issues when the designs are coming from people who aren't totally familiar with the process. If your using a raster based program, things like proper resolution, designing at the print size, no anti aliasing, etc all come into play.

And if you think vectors are lame or dated, here's something that's 100% vector-

(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee246/K_Chez/Mod_render-1-1.jpg)

I wish I had time to play around with this, but I'm slammed with work
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Jake4130 on April 12, 2011, 07:30:28 PM
There are a ton of free stock photo sites on the net who will give you stock photographs like the one I used under Creative Commons licence, meaning you can use it.

Actually Creative Commons DOES NOT NECESSARILY mean you can use it. Everything is copyrighted by default with all rights reserved to the creator at the moment of creation. Creative Commons is an easy way for the creator to release certain rights. That doesn't mean all of the rights are released. You can only do with it what the license says you can.

For instance, you could release the use of an image as a whole but not a derivative work. In that case I could print the image, but I could not create a new image using a part of it or a modified version of it.

This is the very reason I NEVER put anything on Deviant Art. Most people think they can take anything they want there anyway, but at best people think "oh its Creative Commons! I can just take it and do what I want!" Nope, ya can't. Creative Commons is not the same as Open Source Software.

Now I need to go put my soap box away. lol
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Jason Rideout on April 12, 2011, 07:42:50 PM
hey jake you want to ride?
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: EZChris on April 12, 2011, 07:48:31 PM
Who said anything about deviant art lol
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Jake4130 on April 12, 2011, 07:54:54 PM
Who said anything about deviant art lol

Chris, I guess I should have said "Deviant Art and other sites." I just have a fiery hatred of Deviant Art because it is a pretty popular place to steal peoples stuff. For that reason I tend to use it as an example a lot. Wasn't suggesting that it had anything to do with you, bro.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Guav on April 12, 2011, 09:31:26 PM
People think "oh its Creative Commons! I can just take it and do what I want!" Nope, ya can't. Creative Commons is not the same as Open Source Software.

Exactly what I was going to say. I think there are six different Creative Commons licenses, but only two of them allow for commercial use.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: Jake4130 on April 13, 2011, 03:44:50 AM
And if you think vectors are lame or dated, here's something that's 100% vector-

I used to have this first one in my portfolio, but had to pull it out because these days everybody assumes that it is LiveTraced and it is hard to convince them otherwise. I can assure you, it is not. You can tell when looking at the actual vector file. everything is heavily layered.


This second one looks plastic on purpose. It is a rendering of a model.
Title: Re: Global T-Shirt Design Contest
Post by: EZChris on April 13, 2011, 12:17:01 PM
The stock sites im on about are Stock xchng etc, which DO allow creative commons for commerical, afaik.


granted some times you have to ask permission for use with certain items (Likes T's) but 99% of the time the artists who took the photo says yes.