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English => Parts & Bikes => Topic started by: JUGGARNAUT on June 01, 2010, 03:59:25 AM
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When I lived in Fl. I used to Dirt Jump/Urban on a Specialized P1. Sold it to my Brother before I moved ,I miss it . My Buddie owns ALOT of Sidehill property Here in Western NY where I live now. I am considering getting one of these BlackMarkets as they're built by S&M/Fit.
Anyone else do this? Comments?
I am getting this frame to build up, Marketplace Sales SOON! ;D
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Yeah, this is what I used to have ,so you can see ,they've come a long way ....
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22" in CHROME!
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Marketplace sales SOON!
I'll be selling ALOT of parts SOON to fund this Bad boy.
Deals, deals, deals!!
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My old khs dj200.....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/aresbikerider/khs4.jpg)
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Lotlizard, can you give me your opinion on the BlackMarket frames? I read "USED to be built by S&M" now Waterford, the place where Standards "Used" to be built? I know their Quality is great .I have read MANY blogs,all good on the net,but do you have any firsthand experience?
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When i started ridong dirt i used a NPJ little Jimmy. I still have it but I just ride my BMX these days. Two friends and very good riders use a NORCO and a Specialized P3. If you want a light bike that holds up every abuse go with a Specialized Aluminium frame. The NOrco is Crmo and looks very clean. Small tubes and a very good geo. The Blackmarket in the first post looks a little bit heavy to me but I never saw one in person.
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I have a specialized p.2. It's similar to the p.1 you posted but it has gears on the back and a chain guide on the front. I'm curious about those black markets as well, they look more like a bmx with big wheels. Can't wait to see it built up with some reviews on how it jumps.
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Blackmarkets are nice. My shop has sold/worked on quite a few, we are about a ten min drive from RaysMTB (mecca of urban/park 26"!). I have a 2010 P1 Chromo and its pretty nice, short chainstays, long tt and fairly light for a mostly stock bike.
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My LBS owner is huge into 24" dirt jumpers. He rides nothing but Dobermans. They are made in Canada. Nicely put together from what I have seen. They have a fairly new one that has a soft tail too but with only like 2-3" of travel( something Pink maybe). Looks kind of nice for my old ass knee's, if I ever decided to jump again, that is. Something to look at, anyway... Good luck with the build!
Rob
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Here is my old bike. Sorry for the crappy pictures
(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/1815/foto0084u.jpg)
(http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/364/foto0085f.jpg)
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Thank you to all who posted, I will pick your brains for info sooner or later. ;D
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man the blk markets are nice and the easterns are nice. those two have closest to BMX geometry. one company in particular that i think is the sickest out there is NSbikes:
www.nsbikes.com (http://www.nsbikes.com)
they figured out how to integrate the bmx geometry into their frames early on. here is my old NS Capitol: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dickiejones33/sets/72157606303792604/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dickiejones33/sets/72157606303792604/). it also weighed in at around 25 pounds which is awesome considering the size of the bike and components.
i really loved that bike. ran a federal freecoaster (110mm rear) on it with blk market bars. i had my shocks locked out but you can always run it fully rigid. got everything from www.chainreactioncycles.com (http://www.chainreactioncycles.com) which was really cool considering free shipping from europe and everything always got here in about 6 days.
hope that helps
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man the blk markets are nice and the easterns are nice. those two have closest to BMX geometry. one company in particular that i think is the sickest out there is NSbikes:
[url=http://www.nsbikes.com]www.nsbikes.com[/url] ([url]http://www.nsbikes.com[/url])
they figured out how to integrate the bmx geometry into their frames early on. here is my old NS Capitol: [url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/dickiejones33/sets/72157606303792604/[/url] ([url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/dickiejones33/sets/72157606303792604/[/url]). it also weighed in at around 25 pounds which is awesome considering the size of the bike and components.
i really loved that bike. ran a federal freecoaster (110mm rear) on it with blk market bars. i had my shocks locked out but you can always run it fully rigid. got everything from [url=http://www.chainreactioncycles.com]www.chainreactioncycles.com[/url] ([url]http://www.chainreactioncycles.com[/url]) which was really cool considering free shipping from europe and everything always got here in about 6 days.
hope that helps
Very Helpful Dickie. Nice ride BTW. How was the handling,just like a 20"? I was goin with Black Market for the very reason that it mocked BMX geometry. The P1 was cool but 26" was hard to throw around being bone stock and that was quite a few years ago , so the BMX technology wasn't as good as now days. Thanks again.
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The difference between a 20" and a 26" is that you have a completely different handling although you have a BMX geo. It feels a lot taller in the front and it is spinning much slower.
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The difference between a 20" and a 26" is that you have a completely different handling although you have a BMX geo. It feels a lot taller in the front and it is spinning much slower.
I got that Bro, I had the P1 which was 26",I Jumped at Trails and rode Park with it, I am goin with the Black Market 24" Contraband Frame this time around.
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Hey Juggs, before you buy another paper weight, maybe ride what you have now?
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Hey Juggs, before you buy another paper weight, maybe ride what you have now?
^_^
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them forks look WHILE cheap if they where changed id go for it, the first pic that is
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them forks look WHILE cheap if they where changed id go for it, the first pic that is
I'm just buying the frame in the first pic, not the complete which is different.
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close-up of the frame.
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Can't wait for the positive power Disc brakes again......You guys need to broaden your horizons a bit with this kinda thing.
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Do you already have forks?
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Do you already have forks?
I'm not sure I want suspension this time or not, might go rigid, why?
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I was just interested in your build ;)
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I was just interested in your build ;)
open to all suggestions,things are a bit different from then till now, the P1 was kinda One of the firsts so companies have advanced in ALL aspects of parts and Geometry. Plus , Suspension tech is always gettin better. I see you had a non rigid front on yours, which model? when did you own that?
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When I had my rig I thought about going rigid but I loved having the suspension fork for manuals. A little preload and bam!!! Manual heaven.
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When I had my rig I thought about going rigid but I loved having the suspension fork for manuals. A little preload and bam!!! Manual heaven.
You beat me in.........^_^.... I remember that being a plus! Do you have any certain forks you'd recommend? 24" of course.
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I think you would have to run a 26" inch fork, I am not aware that any companies made 24 inch jumping suspension forks.......... But I might be proven wrong...........
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I think you would have to run a 26" inch fork, I am not aware that any companies made 24 inch jumping suspension forks.......... But I might be proven wrong...........
Yeah, I bet you're right. All I can find is 26", I was thinking Marzocchi Dirt Jumper 2's. That's what the P1 had I believe, or maybe 3's....idk. I liked them though. With disc mount too.
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YEA!!!! found this.
Send to Facebook Send to a friend Technical area Dealer locator « Back to listDIRT JUMPER 3 STD DO / 2006OVERVIEW
Dirt Jumper Series series
Who really offers a TRUE Dirt Jumper fork other than Marzocchi? How about a suspension fork that's geared SPECIFICALLY for a park rider who wants to run a 24" wheel with a standard 14mm peg? In every category, including dirt jumping and urban assault, Marzocchi delivers quality suspension with the latest technology. This year our dirt jumpers have external rebound adjustment , and an easy air preload. The D-Street comes with an axle that FITS any 14mm peg, and it comes with steel grind plates to protect the bottom of your drop-out.
Tech specifications
- 100mm Travel
- One Side: New Alloy SSV
- One Side: Alloy Piston Rod
- Moto System
- External Air Preload w/o Adapter
- Internal Rebound Adjuster
- Coil Springs
- New Forged Crown w/ Bolts
- Magnesium FR Monolite One Piece Arch & Sliders
- New ř32mm Alloy Stanchions
- Reinforced Steel Steer Tube
- Disc Brake INTL STD
- Standard (MY05) Drop-OutsStroke Fork length Steer tube-wheel offset Weight
100 483,5 mm. 44.5 mm. 2325 g.
Intended uses
Dirt Jumping: This “BMX” or ”motocross” style of riding is only for the most skilled riders, and involves jumping from one mound of dirt to another. It also includes riding over and around ”urban obstacles” such as man-made, or other concrete, structures, or racing on a track consisting of jumps made from mounds of dirt which the rider must negotiate by jumping or turning at speed. These forks should only be used with disk brakes, and those frames, wheels and other components specifi cally designed for this riding style. The disk brakes must be attached to the designated mounting points provided on the fork. Never make any modification to your fork when attaching any equipment.
Technology
External Air Preload
Internal Rebound Adjust
Owner's manuals
Owner's manual
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pic.
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I will be building this with sprinkles of Black Market, Marzocchi, Spank, Atomlab, Profile, Hayes, Intense and Odyssey parts. The best of the best in parts, this will need to be able to take a beating and come back for more. ;D
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Yeah a Dirtjumper 1-3 is a good one. But if you use it on a 24" you should sink the travel to 80 mm. It will give you better steering and is enough for riding street and dirt.
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Yeah a Dirtjumper 1-3 is a good one. But if you use it on a 24" you should sink the travel to 80 mm. It will give you better steering and is enough for riding street and dirt.
Yeah, Black Market suggests 80- 100 of MAX travel..I'll post that too..
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Black Market Bikes is now shipping their long-awaited Contraband 24″ dirt jump mountain bike. Perfect for smaller riders or those that just want a smaller bike, it’s built with typical Black Market style and substance.
The frame is fully heat-treated Sanko double-butted tubing and comes with a rigid Tech 9 fork (but you can use a suspension fork, as shown. UPDATE: 80-100mm fork max recommended). The quick spec rundown goes a little sumthin’ like this:
•Precision laser cut bridges & drop outs
•Integrated headset and seatclamp
•365mm chainstays
•135mm spacing
•21.5” or 22” frame sizes
•Mid-size BB
•Weight: 5.8 lbs / 2.3 kg
•M.S.R.P. $399.99 (U.S.)
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Cranks
http://www.danscomp.com/452554.php?cat=PARTS (http://www.danscomp.com/452554.php?cat=PARTS)
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Here's where I'll be jumping for most of the Summer ...BTW , thats me on the Dozer.....;D
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what about sunday model c 24" all round geo bike ?
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what about sunday model c 24" all round geo bike ?
I want front suspension and can't use the Sunday with suspended forks, it's not built with them in mind.
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NS rider Martin Saderstrom has a legit street/dirt/park section in this edit.
http://www.pinkbike.com/video/102577/ (http://www.pinkbike.com/video/102577/)