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English => Parts & Bikes => Topic started by: flat1ander on May 09, 2010, 07:22:32 PM
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Hey guys, ive been running the primo walls for years now. I feel like its time for me to try a new tread, and since ive been running the walls for so long, i dont really know what other tires are good. Are there large differences in weight when it comes to tires or do they mostly weigh about the same? I pretty much just wanna know what kind of tires you guys are running and what you like about them so any information would be much appreciated. Thanks guys!
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I've also run walls for like 10 years now. Mostly because they last so damn long even if you're doing a ton of scuffing or spinning.
I recently won some primo comet 1.5's from flatlandfuel and I'm in love with them. They turbine so much easier than the walls it's ridiculous. They are also significantly lighter. I've only had them on a week or two but I can tell they aren't going to last very long. So if cost effective is your goal that is a bit of a negative point for them.
I would suggest buying a few different brands/sizes of tires and trying them all out to see which you like. Definitely try out some smaller tires since you've been on walls forever. To be honest I probably won't go back to walls for a while having run comets. But that's a personal preference thing.
Tons of people run odyssey freq g 1.75's which is what I want to try next. There's a ton of different kinds of them though so if someone wants to clarify which to go for that would be cool :)
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Whatever you do don't do what I just did.
I've been running 1.75's ever since I got back into Flat 7 months ago and I decided to try a set of Frequency 1.85's.
Well they suck, I feel like I'm just getting started all over again! :angry:
It feels like I'm pushing monster truck tires around, I'm ripping these off asap and going back to 1.75's.
I can't believe how much of a difference this made, crazy!!
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Wow so ive been running 1.85's literally my entire flatland career. Im pretty excited to try some 1.75's and see how much better im able to turbine and all.. any other suggestions people?
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I know I'm bringing a dead post back up but does this mean regardless of what rims I have I can buy tires with different widths????
This may be a revelation to me =P
I've been wanting to move down to skinnier tires but I thought I'd have to save up for new rims and all too.
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Whatever you do don't do what I just did.
I've been running 1.75's ever since I got back into Flat 7 months ago and I decided to try a set of Frequency 1.85's.
Well they suck, I feel like I'm just getting started all over again! :angry:
It feels like I'm pushing monster truck tires around, I'm ripping these off asap and going back to 1.75's.
I can't believe how much of a difference this made, crazy!!
You'll sh*t yourself if you ever try a Comet on the front.
These things are so fast and grippy I cannot physically ride Freq G's on the front anymore. ANY size freq g feels like im riding underwater compared tto a comet.
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Anyone tried the primo 1.3? lol
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I know I'm bringing a dead post back up but does this mean regardless of what rims I have I can buy tires with different widths????
This may be a revelation to me =P
I've been wanting to move down to skinnier tires but I thought I'd have to save up for new rims and all too.
it depends on what rims you are on now - super skinny like the sun cr's or modern 'street' rims which are on the (slightly) wider side, eg: odyssey hazzard lites, primo 7005 balance, Gsport and such?
i know that ares strongly recomend that you don't run their 'A class' tires on rims that are wider than 1.75s (sun ryno lite/ city lites, old peregrine hp).
using the comets as an example:
the sidewalls on the comets are silly thin, if you run 1.9 comets on sun cr's, you probly get loads of side-to-side play while carving hard. if you try running 1.3 or 1.5 comets on wider rims, you probly will have rim bead popping out while inflating the tires? and the tire won't have a nice round (semi-circle) transitional profile which means it probly sucks while pumping in a circle.
hope that helps
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I've noticed when I change to a different style/size tire new trick alway open up. Some of your old trick may be difficult at first but after a few days you get use to it. Im running 1.75 frequency g's on Gsport's and I see alot of potential with this combination.
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Anyone tried the primo 1.3? lol
I bought some awhile back and rode them and passed them onto a friend who's a better rider to also try them. It's kind of like ice skating, but you do get semi-used to it. When going back to normal size tires, the bike feels as stable as a 4 wheeler. it's actually kind of fun from a training standpoint. they are fast and responsive as HELL.
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i was always curious about the primo comets but the fact that i have primo balance both front and back which are wide kinda made me hesitant about getting them :rolleyes:
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I popped one tube and broke two tire levers mounting my used 1.75 Frequency G's on new 7KA rims yesterday.
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I popped one tube and broke two tire levers mounting my used 1.75 Frequency G's on new 7KA rims yesterday.
exactly haha
1.75 tires are hard enough to put on my rims so 1.5 comets are out of reach
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I popped one tube and broke two tire levers mounting my used 1.75 Frequency G's on new 7KA rims yesterday.
ya did the same thing two days ago, had to use 2 tire levers side by side so they wouldn't bend in half.
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I'm at a point now where if I get a flat while riding, my day is over......regardless if I have a spare tube, a pump, and tire levers on me. There is no way on earth I could ever change a modern day tire/rim combination in a parking lot.
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I popped one tube and broke two tire levers mounting my used 1.75 Frequency G's on new 7KA rims yesterday.
its your rim and not the tire.
7k are very tall.worst rim everI popped one tube and broke two tire levers mounting my used 1.75 Frequency G's on new 7KA rims yesterday.
ya did the same thing two days ago, had to use 2 tire levers side by side so they wouldn't bend in half.
your rim also.I popped one tube and broke two tire levers mounting my used 1.75 Frequency G's on new 7KA rims yesterday.
exactly haha
1.75 tires are hard enough to put on my rims so 1.5 comets are out of reach
nope.its your rim,the primo 1.5 are very easy to fit in a normal rim.
try them on a deviant or a low rim and come and tell me.
do you run 7k also?
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Well....with my new 7KA's I replaced Araya Super 7X's circa 1996 and the Frequency G's were no easier to mount/dismount on those. Still the rim's fault?
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Gsport rims as well are bad w/ Frequ. G's. I actually cut off the last one after an hour of cussing and skinning my knuckles trying to get it off. On my Sun rim, no problem.
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What are you guys using for rim strips? If its a thicker rim strip or multiple layers of duct tape THAT is your problem not the tire or rims as much.
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I was using a thin plastic Ody one I believe, nothing wacky.
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Gsport rims as well are bad w/ Frequ. G's. I actually cut off the last one after an hour of cussing and skinning my knuckles trying to get it off. On my Sun rim, no problem.
I know what you mean, but if you get some beefy tire levers they are real easy and take 5 mins to get off.
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There was a time when any tire came off any rim with nothing more than your thumbs and very little effort......I miss those days.
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i have michelen tire levers the yellow one they are flexible but i can take off my g's easily from g sports.
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Idk my rim brand or anything :P but measuring them they seem to be an inch and 1/8 wide.
I want to order a pair of freq g's since there's a lot of support for them but want to check first that they will work on my rims.
one last thing, measuring from the outside (aka the part the brake grips to) is 7/8" long so idk if that tells you anything more important about my rims.
thx :beer:
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Well....with my new 7KA's I replaced Araya Super 7X's circa 1996 and the Frequency G's were no easier to mount/dismount on those. Still the rim's fault?
yeap its a tall rim also,same with my hoffman generator.
try on a deviant and you can put it in and out with your hands and no tool, i am sayind deviant as a reference because i use this on the front.other rims are similar also
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@13.5"
I run primo balance front and back and getting 1.75 ody Gs isn't fun, i have a way of getting them on *quite* easily but its still a pain...
foldable version is a piece a cake though (of course)
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There are always bad combos. Running a shop I saw the worst. Getting Primo V-Monsters off of a Hula Hoop was pretty bad. Getting RL edges on and off Peregrines was cake. The worst ever had to be GT Mega Bite tires (BMX racing tires) on an Araya 7X! That said, never had a tire I couldn't get off a rim eventually.
Of course your horror stories about the 7K-As and Freq-Gs makes me nervous. I was planning on 1.75 Freq Gs once my Lamellos wear out and I just moved to 7K-As. Still will since the best tires I ever rode were ACS RL Edge (which the Freq G was based on), but not looking forward to the problems.
Sight unseen, I vote Freq G's. If they are anything as good as the ACS were bitd, they are worth the annoyance with getting them on and off.
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Gsport rims as well are bad w/ Frequ. G's. I actually cut off the last one after an hour of cussing and skinning my knuckles trying to get it off. On my Sun rim, no problem.
I know what you mean, but if you get some beefy tire levers they are real easy and take 5 mins to get off.
i use cp plated steel tire levers - they are great to an extend - the metal levers tend to marr the anodizing/ powder coat of the rims, and will make small nick onto the alloy rims if the tire+rim combo is "bad".
i recently had to mount new acs true tires onto a set of mid-school Spin wheels which had walls that were slightly higher then usual, and they were unwelded - sketchy.
follow jellyroll's advice - plenty of vinyl tape/electrician tape on the metal tire levers, it reduces the marring, that said, truly bad rim+tire combo would be triple wall rims with snafu tires!
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guys it aint that hard....squeeze the tire bead to the middle of the rim AKA drop-center
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use a couple screwdrivers. as long as youre careful u wont fck nothin up
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I took me three times to figure out what I was doing wrong. Freq G 1.75 with Gsport Ribcage.
1: Get all the air out. Folding the tire down with your elbow, etc.
2: Triple check tire is into the center of rim. It will keep popping back into the bead. Then I can do it with one plastic tire lever.
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Yea with rib cage rims you gotta squeeze the tire all the way around so it's not stuck to the side of the rim, else it's near impossible :)
I tend to rip my rim tape off though, so when putting levers on don't go futher down than the side of the wall it'self like I did LOL and refrain from using screw drivers it's bad mkay :)
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Gsport rims as well are bad w/ Frequ. G's. I actually cut off the last one after an hour of cussing and skinning my knuckles trying to get it off. On my Sun rim, no problem.
Sun rim's are beast. Just sayin
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What Sun rims do you guys use? I've bent up Rhyno lights pretty quick.
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Idk my rim brand or anything :P but measuring them they seem to be an inch and 1/8 wide.
I want to order a pair of freq g's since there's a lot of support for them but want to check first that they will work on my rims.
one last thing, measuring from the outside (aka the part the brake grips to) is 7/8" long so idk if that tells you anything more important about my rims.
thx :beer:
I just popped my front tire from over use... I want to order tires but I don't want to order if the tire doesn't fit my rims. Is this enough info for anyone to say whether the tire will fit my rim or not?
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Idk my rim brand or anything :P but measuring them they seem to be an inch and 1/8 wide.
I want to order a pair of freq g's since there's a lot of support for them but want to check first that they will work on my rims.
one last thing, measuring from the outside (aka the part the brake grips to) is 7/8" long so idk if that tells you anything more important about my rims.
thx :beer:
I just popped my front tire from over use... I want to order tires but I don't want to order if the tire doesn't fit my rims. Is this enough info for anyone to say whether the tire will fit my rim or not?
Really it's a matter of deciding what width you want. Anything from 2.125 to 1.3 will fit on your rim (for the most part. of course some note some suggestions about using skinny tires on wide rims not being so good.) I would suggest 1.75 and a lot of people agree on here.
All the hub-bub on here about tires not fitting is mostly just an anomaly of the industry. Some combos of tires and rims are just a pain in the a$$ for getting them on and off. For the most part, if it is a 20 x something, it's going to be the right size (short of 20 x 1 1/8 or 20 x 1 3/8. those are for BMX minis)
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Idk my rim brand or anything :P but measuring them they seem to be an inch and 1/8 wide.
I want to order a pair of freq g's since there's a lot of support for them but want to check first that they will work on my rims.
one last thing, measuring from the outside (aka the part the brake grips to) is 7/8" long so idk if that tells you anything more important about my rims.
thx :beer:
Thank you! I'm ordering freq g tires now and hope to be back on my bike by next week then. ;D
I just popped my front tire from over use... I want to order tires but I don't want to order if the tire doesn't fit my rims. Is this enough info for anyone to say whether the tire will fit my rim or not?
Really it's a matter of deciding what width you want. Anything from 2.125 to 1.3 will fit on your rim (for the most part. of course some note some suggestions about using skinny tires on wide rims not being so good.) I would suggest 1.75 and a lot of people agree on here.
All the hub-bub on here about tires not fitting is mostly just an anomaly of the industry. Some combos of tires and rims are just a pain in the a$$ for getting them on and off. For the most part, if it is a 20 x something, it's going to be the right size (short of 20 x 1 1/8 or 20 x 1 3/8. those are for BMX minis)
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Which Frequency G is it that everyone loves? I see three different models on FF.
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Which Frequency G is it that everyone loves? I see three different models on FF.
just a note since i've ridden one for a couple months: they pick up more grit and
pebbles than any other tire i've ridden.
i'm always having to put my foot on the tire to rake the rocks out.
other than that i really like it(regular steel bead).
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I am liking the suelos wire bead...easier to put on, compared to freq-g
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In my opinion, ACS RL Edge tires were the best ever...but those days are gone! A friend turned me on to Haro Multi-Surface tires a few years ago, and I really like 'em. Big one on the front; small one on the rear.
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Which Frequency G is it that everyone loves? I see three different models on FF.
just a note since i've ridden one for a couple months: they pick up more grit and
pebbles than any other tire i've ridden.
i'm always having to put my foot on the tire to rake the rocks out.
other than that i really like it(regular steel bead).
This!
Can't tell you the amount of punctures I have had since using the fre.G's
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Anyone tried the primo 1.3? lol
is that the comets? if so i ran them for a while crazy fast i cudent get use to them atall
khe macs are overated there cool for indoors but for out doors they tear up far to easy and there seems to be thread coming from the sidewall of myn :S
freq g's 1.75 are well cool!ima swtich my tyres to them tomorro due to these khe's getting destroyed :angry:
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Anyone tried the primo 1.3? lol
is that the comets? if so i ran them for a while crazy fast i cudent get use to them atall
khe macs are overated there cool for indoors but for out doors they tear up far to easy and there seems to be thread coming from the sidewall of myn :S
freq g's 1.75 are well cool!ima swtich my tyres to them tomorro due to these khe's getting destroyed :angry:
I ran a white khe mac on the rear and it was pretty much bald within a month, I don't know if they use a different compound for the black ones but either way I doubt I'll use one again. Switched to freq g 1.75s a month ago and they're still going good. I had odyssey path 1.85s before and they lasted well, but they just seemed to attract little stones and other bits of crap, no idea why.
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Iv bought a nice pair of freg q 1.75 for my hybrid and so far alot better than my khes
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I'm surprised that my primo comet 1.5" have outlasted all tires I've ever owned, odyssey's both freg g's plus elm streets, acs 100, khe's suelo's.....I still ride with them after 4 months or so, and I do tons of scuffing and not one single puncture, they still look good as new....best $20 I ever spent
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There was a time when any tire came off any rim with nothing more than your thumbs and very little effort......I miss those days.
Maybe you need to alter the technique you are using to take 'm off.
1.Get all the air out
2.push one bead to the center of the rim at the opposite side of the valve!
3.start taking the tire off starting at the valve!
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Talking about tires, KHE finally released there Mac tire in TANWALL.
Unfortunately it seems like only mac 2 (20 x 2.1") size.
(http://www.khebikes.com/2011/images/KHEbikes_Mac2_tanwall.jpg)
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I'm surprised that my primo comet 1.5" have outlasted all tires I've ever owned, odyssey's both freg g's plus elm streets, acs 100, khe's suelo's.....I still ride with them after 4 months or so, and I do tons of scuffing and not one single puncture, they still look good as new....best $20 I ever spent
I am going to give these a try...So were they hard getting use to?
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Is there is any difference between "Odyssey Frequency G P Lyte" and "Odyssey Frequency G Wire bead" tires, except the weight of 50 grams? Who had both of them?
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Is there is any difference between "Odyssey Frequency G P Lyte" and "Odyssey Frequency G Wire bead" tires, except the weight of 50 grams? Who had both of them?
I've run both. The P-Lyte uses a lighter weight material than the regular wire bead. I found the P-Lyte material to be somewhat softer but not much.
I'm running KHE's now but plan to try the 1.5 Comets after these wear out.
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my freq gs are about to collapse , so i was thinking about the Primo Comets 1.5 ... they are softer then Ody Freq g?
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There was a time when any tire came off any rim with nothing more than your thumbs and very little effort......I miss those days.
Those days have returned! Tonight I mounted up a Suelo steel bead tire on my 7KA rim with nothing more than thumb pressure. No more bloody thumbs, broken tire levers, gouged up rims, and pierced tubes for me! Eff you Kevlar-beaded Frequency G.
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haha strange i have Freq G P-lyte kevlar bead tires and mount them by hand to hoffman generator rims with no problem at all. They come off fiarly easy as well with 2 plastic tire levers. When i had the metal bead ones it was a bit harder, but still wasnt all that difficult. :mellow:
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my freq gs are about to collapse , so i was thinking about the Primo Comets 1.5 ... they are softer then Ody Freq g?
yes .
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I'm currently running some foldable Freq-G 1.85s...they're slow, but for me that's good. I've been riding street and pretty much only street, on 2.10 street tires, for the past few years and am just now coming back to riding actual flatland. It's a great transition tire and would probably be really well suited for a hybrid bike. I also recently tried the Suelo tires in the foldable option....very easy to mount, very very light and super fast. Way too fast for me for right now, so I'm put em in the closet till I've got my old tricks back and feel more comfortable. If you're a flat only rider, I'd go with the 1.75, not the 1.85 like I have.
Fitment issues...my front rim is an Odyssey Hazard Lite and the rear is a Proper...the Suelos went on like melting butter and the Freq-Gs were a tad difficult, but not too big a deal.
I'm wondering if some of these issues you guys mentioned might have something to do with tube size...
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Primo's are grand but I always had a tricky time scuffing with em =/ Might be my 140psi lmao
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Primo's are grand but I always had a tricky time scuffing with em =/ Might be my 140psi lmao
140psi ? :rolleyes: explain to me why thats necessary.
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anyone have a picture of this tire ?
http://flatlandfuel.com/sueloflatlandtire.aspx (http://flatlandfuel.com/sueloflatlandtire.aspx)
been wanting to get a pair of them badly but seen no pix of them yet..
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i know robpossible has ridden them. and others. try one out and see
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anyone have a picture of this tire ?
[url]http://flatlandfuel.com/sueloflatlandtire.aspx[/url] ([url]http://flatlandfuel.com/sueloflatlandtire.aspx[/url])
been wanting to get a pair of them badly but seen no pix of them yet..
Yeep heres my ones I had a while ago, bad ass tyre I must say
(http://i55.tinypic.com/2lx6on7.jpg)
(http://i53.tinypic.com/25kracz.jpg)
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speaking of tires, has anyone tried the new Colony tire? I'm tempted to give one a go sometime just to see.
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speaking of tires, has anyone tried the new Colony tire? I'm tempted to give one a go sometime just to see.
can you try Fit FAF's too they come in 1.95. I dub thee jm our official 1.95 tire tester -_-
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hey limited .i have fit faf's on my hybrid. 1.95 in the rear. there super light but not that sticky.
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hey limited .i have fit faf's on my hybrid. 1.95 in the rear. there super light but not that sticky.
I've never ridden tires past 1.75 size but i see that they are extremely light. I may try one out on the front one day
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http://www.danscomp.com/products/442011/Kenda_Konversion_Folding_Tire.html# (http://www.danscomp.com/products/442011/Kenda_Konversion_Folding_Tire.html#)
what do you guys think of this tire. available in 1.5,1.75, and 1.95 with 100psi capability.
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[url]http://www.danscomp.com/products/442011/Kenda_Konversion_Folding_Tire.html#[/url] ([url]http://www.danscomp.com/products/442011/Kenda_Konversion_Folding_Tire.html#[/url])
what do you guys think of this tire. available in 1.5,1.75, and 1.95 with 100psi capability.
Ironically I was asking people about these (in real life) a little while ago. Apparently the sidewalls blow out really easy. Everybody told me to avoid them.
My buddy Koit (yes THAT Koit) has me convinced on Comets. Cheaper than the above anyway.
BTW for those that are wondering about running the 1.3" Comets on wide rims, my buddy has been running them on 7-KAs for a while now without issues. They roll and spin supper fast though. I'm gonna stick with the 1.5s.
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o yeah the white suelo tires are cool
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they state theyre are tan wall suelo tires now
and id love to see a picture of them..
ive seen the black and the white suelo tires
I need to see a pic of tan wall suelo tire please please please :)
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o yeah the white suelo tires are cool
but
they state theyre are tan wall suelo tires now
and id love to see a picture of them..
ive seen the black and the white suelo tires
I need to see a pic of tan wall suelo tire please please please :)
Here you go:
(http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/5930/76879364.jpg)
(http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/9408/86666165.jpg)
I love how the flash makes them look like they're white walls. :ph34r:
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o yeah the white suelo tires are cool
but
they state theyre are tan wall suelo tires now
and id love to see a picture of them..
ive seen the black and the white suelo tires
I need to see a pic of tan wall suelo tire please please please :)
Here you go:
([url]http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/5930/76879364.jpg[/url])
([url]http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/9408/86666165.jpg[/url])
I love how the flash makes them look like they're white walls. :ph34r:
wow...nice.
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i believe some rims are a tad bigger than some. i use alex dm22 and sun rhyno lite rims with odyssey f' g tyres wire bead. they slide onto the sun rim with ease but are bloody crazy to fit onto the alex rim and when i say hard i mean near impossible. i have to strech the tyres with a screw driver on cause the levers broke putting them on. primo comet is super nifty to ride and last really long.
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My buddy Koit (yes THAT Koit)
Who the f*ck is Koit?
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The comets really don't last long brilliant on ramps though, try the e-comet they hqvef a better tread pattern and are longer lasting, I currently run kbell MAC.1 s but I'm going to change to frequency-g 1.85"
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Whatever you do don't do what I just did.
I've been running 1.75's ever since I got back into Flat 7 months ago and I decided to try a set of Frequency 1.85's.
Well they suck, I feel like I'm just getting started all over again! :angry:
It feels like I'm pushing monster truck tires around, I'm ripping these off asap and going back to 1.75's.
I can't believe how much of a difference this made, crazy!!
I had the exact same thing, except that I went from 1,75 and crankless to 1,85 with cranks. first day I was disappointed spending so much money and not feeling my bike anymore.
But now i'm used to it and I am happy now (still want to go back to 1,75 but I'll wait till my current tires are worn out)
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Im about to put on 1.95 e-comets. maybe. i'll write a review?