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Title: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: SNOOP on December 16, 2009, 06:51:09 PM

(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee271/Condor4130/dkflat.jpg)
DK's gonna show some love, just in the proto stages now..Add yout thoughts, and wishes..maybe they will come true...
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: byke on December 16, 2009, 07:29:05 PM
I cant see the pic
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Post by: ancientskool on December 17, 2009, 12:23:46 AM
Me either!
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: SNOOP on December 17, 2009, 04:24:58 AM
Pic fixed.
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: b_ron on December 17, 2009, 05:18:08 AM
how much for the cat?
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Post by: dug on December 17, 2009, 05:30:56 AM
nice looking frame
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: tod miller on December 17, 2009, 05:45:39 AM
I hope the specs are like the Opsis...I just put mine back together because I really liked the specs.  75/70 19 inches and a 13 rear end.  I could get behind this one. 
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: byke on December 17, 2009, 07:16:06 AM
Damn Kittens
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Post by: Jason Rideout on December 17, 2009, 07:23:04 AM
for a bit i thought the cat was real.lol
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Post by: Pat on December 17, 2009, 07:31:39 AM
im not gonna lie i didnt realize that until i read your post
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Post by: Furball on December 17, 2009, 08:14:57 AM
Nice kitty! (http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/2225/60380350.gif)
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: Scuffy on December 17, 2009, 04:44:56 PM
Damn,go figure they would be prototyping a new flat frame right after I purchase my 2010 DK Opsis lol....only thing I would do differently from the Opsis is a full 100% chromoly frame (front and rear triangles) and maybe offer different sizes like 18" 19" and 19.5".I myself at 6' tall wouldn't want to ride a frame with a TT shorter then 19" and the flat companies need to realize that there is more then just a bunch of midgets riding flat (no offense to you shorter dudes).I like the seat tube angle and don't know enough about bikes to figure how a different angle would change the feel/performance of the bike (anyone care to clarify for me?).

Another thing I would do is keep the frame reasonably priced.The cost of flat frames and parts these days is absolutely rediculous and uncalled for (not everyone has $400++ to dump on a frame alone) especially when we start talking about quality.

Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: tod miller on December 17, 2009, 05:42:03 PM
Damn,go figure they would be prototyping a new flat frame right after I purchase my 2010 DK Opsis lol....only thing I would do differently from the Opsis is a full 100% chromoly frame (front and rear triangles) and maybe offer different sizes like 18" 19" and 19.5".I myself at 6' tall wouldn't want to ride a frame with a TT shorter then 19" and the flat companies need to realize that there is more then just a bunch of midgets riding flat (no offense to you shorter dudes).I like the seat tube angle and don't know enough about bikes to figure how a different angle would change the feel/performance of the bike (anyone care to clarify for me?).

Another thing I would do is keep the frame reasonably priced.The cost of flat frames and parts these days is absolutely rediculous and uncalled for (not everyone has $400++ to dump on a frame alone) especially when we start talking about quality.

Just my 2 cents.

I would say just make an Opsis frame...but full chromoly.  I like the specs on it.  They could make a straight up, no frills frame for a reasonable price if they did this.  Oh, and I would say make all the brake hardware removable.
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: K.Wong on December 17, 2009, 09:53:52 PM
are the frames made in the usa or china? the last i heard, dk (dad and kids right?) shifted their manufacturing to china from taiwan...just curious
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: katobmx on December 18, 2009, 12:30:30 AM
I guess thats the no frills frame everybody has been looking for.  -_-
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: TGK on December 18, 2009, 12:52:46 AM
Dayton(Ohio) Kids or Dam Kids. 


Never really got a answer on this one (and I have wondered for (what) the past 10years?-lol)
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: Rad255 on December 18, 2009, 01:31:38 AM
Sick. This is perfect.
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: laughingmonkey on December 18, 2009, 08:01:37 AM
Just re-create the stowler without the curved bottom tube and you have a top seller!
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: Hugo @ Portugal on December 18, 2009, 12:21:53 PM
Right now we have:

- SickChild's Instrumental;
- Zion's LowKee;
- Quamen's Cyphr;
- Quamen's Bowls;
- St. Martin's Diamond;
- Mankind's Alive;
- S&M LTF;
- Flybikes Suelo Simple;
- Blackeye's Killorado;

Taking all things into account, what do those frames do not have that riders would like to see in another frame?
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: leeroy002 on December 18, 2009, 05:12:56 PM
what happened to the dk transmitter flat frame that dane and aaron bhenke used to ride??
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: Scuffy on December 18, 2009, 05:26:42 PM
are the frames made in the usa or china? the last i heard, dk (dad and kids right?) shifted their manufacturing to china from taiwan...just curious

Yep they are made in china....just looked at the area of the seat tube that is welded to the BB and it says in very tiny lettering "Made In China"....really I am a fan of american made but just don't have the money to buy american made anymore.I can tell you that the welds look beautiful...not that that really means anything as far as their structural integrity sometime pretty welds fail while ugly welds hold up and vice versa.
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: Rad255 on December 18, 2009, 09:40:17 PM
Right now we have:

- SickChild's Instrumental;
- Zion's LowKee;
- Quamen's Cyphr;
- Quamen's Bowls;
- St. Martin's Diamond;
- Mankind's Alive;
- S&M LTF;
- Flybikes Suelo Simple;
- Blackeye's Killorado;

Taking all things into account, what do those frames do not have that riders would like to see in another frame?

19 inches with a low top tube, flatland geo, and actually strong enough for street? None of these are a combination of that. S&M isn't low enough, the Bowls and the Killorado are not 19 inches, and I wouldn't touch street with any of the others except maybe a little on the Sickchild, but all the rest of those are sketchy once you get off the ground.
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: Hugo @ Portugal on December 18, 2009, 11:31:20 PM
Bowls 2 is 19,2" / 13.5". If that still doesn't make the cut then yeah, we need yet another frame.

The reason I am asking this is because I get the feeling that things in Flatland aren't taken through a rigorous process of planning and proper "engineering".
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: Rad255 on December 18, 2009, 11:53:57 PM
Yea I mean that would be the next frame I would get if I currently had to pick from the ones out now. That .2 means a lot to people. But unfortunately the Bowls suffers from a high top tube as well.
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: ancientskool on December 19, 2009, 01:09:48 AM
I thought it was "Dirt King".
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: stvnlpsly on December 19, 2009, 02:07:18 AM
Hitman's frame has a decently low top tube, is 19in TT and 13.5in CS and is strong enough for street.  I'm not sayin, I'm just sayin.
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: TJ Perry on December 19, 2009, 03:40:41 AM
Yea I mean that would be the next frame I would get if I currently had to pick from the ones out now. That .2 means a lot to people. But unfortunately the Bowls suffers from a high top tube as well.

It really doesn't. I was afraid it was going to be too high, but its really a reasonable height. I like it a lot right where it is.
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: metalbmxer on December 19, 2009, 03:57:43 AM
Yea I mean that would be the next frame I would get if I currently had to pick from the ones out now. That .2 means a lot to people. But unfortunately the Bowls suffers from a high top tube as well.

It really doesn't. I was afraid it was going to be too high, but its really a reasonable height. I like it a lot right where it is.

agreed, bowls frame is perfect! I have last years version with the added DT clearance.
 Plus having a mid height standover aka TT height gives the seatpost more support and keeps the frame stiff.
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: Rad255 on December 19, 2009, 05:13:07 AM
Yea I mean that would be the next frame I would get if I currently had to pick from the ones out now. That .2 means a lot to people. But unfortunately the Bowls suffers from a high top tube as well.

It really doesn't. I was afraid it was going to be too high, but its really a reasonable height. I like it a lot right where it is.

The current Bowls? Nice. That'd be my choice then.
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: Ultraman Zoffy on December 19, 2009, 07:17:18 AM
If the current Bowls TT height is the same as the Bowls 2, then it isn't high at all... perfect frame that works as both a "hardcore" flatland frame while still feeling comfortable for cruising around.
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: TJ Perry on December 19, 2009, 04:24:52 PM
I can't speak for the current bowls. I wish they had kept the old design with the gusset to be honest.
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: g-man on December 19, 2009, 04:33:52 PM
I can't speak for the current bowls. I wish they had kept the old design with the gusset to be honest.
+1
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: brflatland on December 19, 2009, 04:54:32 PM
if this frame comes out very strong and with tt 18.6 or something around that it`ll definitely be the frame that i will buy...
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: TJ Perry on December 19, 2009, 05:02:22 PM
if this frame comes out very strong and with tt 18.6 or something around that it`ll definitely be the frame that i will buy...

We have PLENTY of frames that are this small. We don't need any more.
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: fxbrgflat on December 19, 2009, 05:10:46 PM
I agree with that statement, though I am just getting back into flat there seems to be a surplus of frames that barely crack the 18.5" mark
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: Scuffy on December 19, 2009, 05:55:47 PM
if this frame comes out very strong and with tt 18.6 or something around that it`ll definitely be the frame that i will buy...

We have PLENTY of frames that are this small. We don't need any more.


Exactly.I don't know about anyone else that is 6' or taller but I stand at exactly 6' tall and anything smaller then a 19" TT would feel too awkward,we need to see more 19" 19.5" and maybe some 19.75" TT lengths in the Flatland market.I refer to any bike with a TT shorteer then 19" a clown bike becuase that's exactly what I feel like when ever I've gotten on a bike with an 18" or 18.5" TT...like I am a clown in a clown car....no offense to you shorter guys.
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: TJ Perry on December 19, 2009, 06:37:29 PM
I agree with that statement, though I am just getting back into flat there seems to be a surplus of frames that barely crack the 18.5" mark

FXburg as in Fredricksburg VA?
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: katobmx on December 19, 2009, 06:45:23 PM
if this frame comes out very strong and with tt 18.6 or something around that it`ll definitely be the frame that i will buy...

We have PLENTY of frames that are this small. We don't need any more.


Exactly.I don't know about anyone else that is 6' or taller but I stand at exactly 6' tall and anything smaller then a 19" TT would feel too awkward,we need to see more 19" 19.5" and maybe some 19.75" TT lengths in the Flatland market.I refer to any bike with a TT shorteer then 19" a clown bike becuase that's exactly what I feel like when ever I've gotten on a bike with an 18" or 18.5" TT...like I am a clown in a clown car....no offense to you shorter guys.
I'm 6' and growing lol and I think my 18.9 frame feels a bit too small... I hate that there are so many nice frames that are under the 18.9 mark or they are 19" they have a micro rear end.
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: Ultraman Zoffy on December 19, 2009, 06:59:11 PM
if this frame comes out very strong and with tt 18.6 or something around that it`ll definitely be the frame that i will buy...

We have PLENTY of frames that are this small. We don't need any more.


Exactly.I don't know about anyone else that is 6' or taller but I stand at exactly 6' tall and anything smaller then a 19" TT would feel too awkward,we need to see more 19" 19.5" and maybe some 19.75" TT lengths in the Flatland market.I refer to any bike with a TT shorteer then 19" a clown bike becuase that's exactly what I feel like when ever I've gotten on a bike with an 18" or 18.5" TT...like I am a clown in a clown car....no offense to you shorter guys.
I'm 6' and growing lol and I think my 18.9 frame feels a bit too small... I hate that there are so many nice frames that are under the 18.9 mark or they are 19" they have a micro rear end.

Of all the frame specs out there, I find myself looking at cs length more then anything nowadays... seriously, why are we seeing 12", 12.4", 12.6" back ends pop up on almost every frame coming out right now? 12.75" should've been then end of it (hell, 13" should be the standard really...). Makes me wonder if it's a matter of trying to come in at the lowest weight possible by castrating the chain stays... props to companies still offering frames with decently sized drop out slots to give people some options.
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: Scuffy on December 19, 2009, 08:50:45 PM
So how bout a frame that comes in

19" TT 13.75" CS 

19.5" TT 13.75" CS   

19.75" TT and 13.75"-14" CS

Full 100% chromoly

Spanish BB
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: Flatism® on December 20, 2009, 07:09:39 PM
if this frame comes out very strong and with tt 18.6 or something around that it`ll definitely be the frame that i will buy...

We have PLENTY of frames that are this small. We don't need any more.


Exactly.I don't know about anyone else that is 6' or taller but I stand at exactly 6' tall and anything smaller then a 19" TT would feel too awkward,we need to see more 19" 19.5" and maybe some 19.75" TT lengths in the Flatland market.I refer to any bike with a TT shorteer then 19" a clown bike becuase that's exactly what I feel like when ever I've gotten on a bike with an 18" or 18.5" TT...like I am a clown in a clown car....no offense to you shorter guys.
+1
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: SNOOP on January 06, 2010, 07:37:21 PM
Danes new proto DK

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_nh6zZk_eepU/S0S5LY_DcgI/AAAAAAAAAnM/6BrTxid5-v8/s1600/IMG_1230.JPG)

 This is my prototype DK frame. Just put it together last week and have been having a good time riding it in the cold. Plain and simple a 19 inch BMX bike. Here is a run down of my bike.

Frame: DK Prototype
top tube 19”
chain stay 13.625” (slammed)
bb height 11.5”
seat tube angle 71 degrees
head tube angle 75 degrees
double-butted top & down tubes

Fork: DK Alpha
Stem: DK Alpha TL
Bars: DK 7-11 Bars
Grips: DK Tsuka
Bar Ends: Sequence
Front Wheel: DK Alpha Front Wheel (DK Orbit rim with DK Alpha front hub) 36H
Back Wheel: DK Orbit rim with a 36H Nankai freecoaster
Cranks: DK Social Cranks
Pedals: DK Distortion Pedals
Sprocket: DK Alpha
Seat Post/Seat: MacNeil Travis
Clamp: DK Alpha
Tires: WeThePeople feelin 1.85
http://samethingdaily.blogspot.com/ (http://samethingdaily.blogspot.com/)
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: tod miller on January 06, 2010, 10:04:25 PM
Danes new proto DK

([url]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_nh6zZk_eepU/S0S5LY_DcgI/AAAAAAAAAnM/6BrTxid5-v8/s1600/IMG_1230.JPG[/url])

 This is my prototype DK frame. Just put it together last week and have been having a good time riding it in the cold. Plain and simple a 19 inch BMX bike. Here is a run down of my bike.

Frame: DK Prototype
top tube 19”
chain stay 13.625” (slammed)
bb height 11.5”
seat tube angle 71 degrees
head tube angle 75 degrees
double-butted top & down tubes

Fork: DK Alpha
Stem: DK Alpha TL
Bars: DK 7-11 Bars
Grips: DK Tsuka
Bar Ends: Sequence
Front Wheel: DK Alpha Front Wheel (DK Orbit rim with DK Alpha front hub) 36H
Back Wheel: DK Orbit rim with a 36H Nankai freecoaster
Cranks: DK Social Cranks
Pedals: DK Distortion Pedals
Sprocket: DK Alpha
Seat Post/Seat: MacNeil Travis
Clamp: DK Alpha
Tires: WeThePeople feelin 1.85
[url]http://samethingdaily.blogspot.com/[/url] ([url]http://samethingdaily.blogspot.com/[/url])


Bingo.  This is it.  This is the frame I have been waiting for.   I wouldn't hesitate to send this down some stairs or a rail or two.
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: EZChris on January 06, 2010, 10:08:09 PM
I think the top tube is a bit too high.

Im not saying I want it like my Diamond or anything, but i think a shorter seat tube would do it wonders.
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: SNOOP on January 06, 2010, 10:15:03 PM
I think the top tube is a bit too high.

Im not saying I want it like my Diamond or anything, but i think a shorter seat tube would do it wonders.
+ 1, Aswell as some taper on those damn chainstays..Street co's still aint gettin the picture just quite. None the less..Nice work..Nice work.
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: out~riding on January 06, 2010, 10:39:58 PM


Bingo.  This is it.  This is the frame I have been waiting for.   I wouldn't hesitate to send this down some stairs or a rail or two.


Really? You were waiting?
because I can name several street frames, that were and are on the marked, that are identical...
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: patrick @ Leipzig on January 06, 2010, 10:45:38 PM
the frame looks simple.....booooring!
but i think the weight will be top?
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: TJ Perry on January 06, 2010, 10:51:38 PM
the frame looks simple.....booooring!
but i think the weight will be top?

Who cares if it's boring? Do you want a top tube at sea level and paper thin tubing so turbined steamrollers are easier or something?

Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: JUGGARNAUT on January 06, 2010, 11:30:39 PM
Can't forget, K.I.S.S. I like it,Svelte and No gimmicky tube work. It's 1 more option for people to choose from and DK's are usually well priced.I might be picking one up tonight. ;D
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: katobmx on January 07, 2010, 01:56:20 AM
Looks great  :mellow:, but I'd seriously consider shortening the CS to 13.25 or somethin
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: metalbmxer on January 07, 2010, 06:52:49 AM
Looks great  :mellow:, but I'd seriously consider shortening the CS to 13.25 or somethin

agreed!! But then again his rig has more street/park geo
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: tod miller on January 07, 2010, 07:18:47 AM


Bingo.  This is it.  This is the frame I have been waiting for.   I wouldn't hesitate to send this down some stairs or a rail or two.


Really? You were waiting?
because I can name several street frames, that were and are on the marked, that are identical...

With a top tube of 19?  Rare.  Point me to them.
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: TOflat on January 07, 2010, 07:52:49 AM
BMX just needs a cross frame between street and flat. A few more options anyways. I loved my WTP Div frame's geometry. I like the Suelo V3 better. Just lower the tubes a bit, keep the CS at roughly 12.75-13", TT at 18.5 or 19, HT angle at 74, 74.5, you've got yourself a flat frame.
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: tafkat on January 07, 2010, 08:09:23 AM
BMX just needs a cross frame between street and flat. A few more options anyways. I loved my WTP Div frame's geometry. I like the Suelo V3 better. Just lower the tubes a bit, keep the CS at roughly 12.75-13", TT at 18.5 or 19, HT angle at 74, 74.5, you've got yourself a flat frame.

Like a MacNeil Collier, somebody should make one of those. Or a Federal Hamilton, or an S&M LTF, or a Hoffman Strowler, or a Quamen Bowls... or, hell, I hear DK's making a new prototype, there was a thread somewhere about that here on the forums.

Sorry, man... not trying to start a fight here or anything, but BMX has had quite a few crossover frames. Everybody loves them when they see pictures, and then they just buy something that's in their niche anyway. I'm guilty of it. I was all primed to get a Strowler when they came out, and then I went to Japan and went all otaku and ended up with an Ares instead. I don't regret my Ares at all, but I'm going to be hitting up parks this spring, and I fear for its survival.
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: out~riding on January 07, 2010, 01:07:19 PM
With a top tube of 19?  Rare.  Point me to them.


Just one example that has been available for the last 5 years,
Federal Hamilton:

Top Tube - 19"
headtube - 75º
Seattube - 71º
back end - 13.5" slammed 13.75" center
(euroBB early versions) Mid BB - Height - 11.5”
5mm Dropouts
With or without Seat Stay Brake Mounts. (removable in 2009)
weight 5.5 lbs (2005) lighter on later versions, 4.11lbs (2009)


(http://www.vitalbmx.com/images/products/985/large92757910_1262030235.gif)

(the new 2010 version however only comes in 20" and 20.5")
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: tod miller on January 07, 2010, 03:56:30 PM
Yeah, I realized this after Tafkat had mentioned this frame.^^^^  This frame does look nice aswell. 

But honestly, I went through almost the entire Dans Comp catalog last night...and didn't see a single one.  So as far as I am concerned...this DK frame is welcome.  Not many frames like it on the market right now.  But thanks for at least helping.
Title: Re: New DK proto flat frame.
Post by: Hugo @ Portugal on January 07, 2010, 11:58:19 PM
I really can't see the end of this constant demand.

Yeah, some brands have been listening to the riders calls, I can go with that, but hey, who would bet releasing a frame with too different specs with no guaranties of enough acceptance so that the investment would be positive?

On the other hand riders these days seem a bit too much demanding. Travel thru the forum and you will see several different specs that people would like to see on the market.. that is way too much for the companies to answer too.

Companies release what they think is best suitable for the majority, not a minority of riders who will buy a unit of that part and probably end his money investment right there.