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English => General Flatland Forum => Topic started by: Stereolab on August 23, 2009, 04:54:49 AM
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No further explanation will be provided. Just pick who you think should win.
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i think this is very unfair...... for chase .
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Chavin? ;D :P
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oh man......not gonna vote. I would however like to see some more recent Kevin vids.
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watch any recent vid, then imagine Kevin is riding. not too hard. ;D
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KEVIN JONES AND CHASE......... ARE THE KINGS OF THIS SPORT........
BUT PAUL OSIKA MARK EATON DAY SMITH JESSE PUENTE PETE BRANTD THE DOCTOR ALVERT... TREVOR MEYER OG MARTON ANDREW FARIS AND CHAD DEGROT ARE KINGS TO.
THIS RIDERS PUSH THE FLATLAND TO NEW LEVELS :mellow:
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watch any recent vid, then imagine Kevin is riding. not too hard. ;D
Haha..I get what you are saying.....
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Pointless!
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Osicka :wacko:
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i know im gonna get bashed bacause of my statement but i realy dont see nothing special in oldschool riding. and thats why i couldnt vote cause its all same to me. i respect it cause otherwise there wouldnt be modern day flatland and all that but guys cmon, lets spin so our heats go off haha.
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i know im gonna get bashed bacause of my statement but i realy dont see nothing special in oldschool riding. and thats why i couldnt vote cause its all same to me. i respect it cause otherwise there wouldnt be modern day flatland and all that but guys cmon, lets spin so our heats go off haha.
wow your a f*cking idiot . Pro tip go watch every dorking then tell me what isnt special in " old school " riding . "its all the same" f*ck man i cant even contemplate your level of stupidity .
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Its supposed to be Chase or TJ. ^_^
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Its supposed to be Chase or TJ. ^_^
lol!
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wow your a f*cking idiot . Pro tip go watch every dorking then tell me what isnt special in " old school " riding . "its all the same" f*ck man i cant even contemplate your level of stupidity .
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yeah im stupid a s f*ck lol, and im not going to watch any dorking video cause i would have to force myself to watch that ;)
again i have nothing against oldschool riding and i respect it, but there is nothing special to me. just the way it is hehe. im glad i have my own opinion and dont give a f*ck if u think im stupid....
maybe if our paths meet someday i will rather buy u a lunch and talk with u about all that oldschool stuff, than call u stupid :beer: ;D
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uP9MYofBeTQ[/youtube]
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Andrew came along a little later than Kevin and Chase did, but that was a dope run. And he was like twice as good as that when he quit.
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Chase.
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We haven't even established what this contest is about.
Clearly this is about Parcheesi.
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[youtube][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uP9MYofBeTQ[/url][/youtube]
Fluckin ell, never seen this clip before at 3.13/14
holy shee-it!
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Osicka :wacko:
+1 ;D :beer:
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Oh...my....god. Faris was like totally wearing brown shoes with a like black belt and black walkman. And, his cranks totally didn't match his frame! I can't believe he rode a frame with thick tubing and a platform. I bet that totally weighed a ton. Like for sure, he wore a polo shirt on top of all that for flatland? That was the right lingo right?
Actually, I was just F'n with everyone. See, it doesnt matter what you wear or what you ride. If he came out in a clown suite it really wouldnt matter. He was one of the best. He's probably forgot more tricks than I ever dreamed of thought about doing. I really miss seeing what that dude came up with next.
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYHVPRc5mho[/youtube]
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2r9fnFYYkY[/youtube]
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Some amazing vids posted there Charl. ;D :beer:
Faris rides with both brakes and makes the brake style look really good, utilizing the brakes for a big variety of tricks. :mellow:
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I say Kevin Jones and I know Chase would say the same thing.
Listen to Chase talk about Kevin in this first video part
leçons de flat avec chase gouin part1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ranZ24H6-5s#normal)
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i know im gonna get bashed bacause of my statement but i realy dont see nothing special in oldschool riding. and thats why i couldnt vote cause its all same to me. i respect it cause otherwise there wouldnt be modern day flatland and all that but guys cmon, lets spin so our heats go off haha.
put it this way..if it wasn't for old school tricks you wouldn't be riding today.show some respect and go watch dorkin... also, how can you say it's all the same when bitd the basic rider rode RAMP,STREET AND FLAT..that takes skill if you ask me.
today your average rider only does one or the other. so, i'd say it was not all the same and very technical for it's time.. :beer:
now go watch DORKIN...
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i know im gonna get bashed bacause of my statement but i realy dont see nothing special in oldschool riding. and thats why i couldnt vote cause its all same to me. i respect it cause otherwise there wouldnt be modern day flatland and all that but guys cmon, lets spin so our heats go off haha.
put it this way..if it wasn't for old school tricks you wouldn't be riding today.show some respect and go watch dorkin... also, how can you say it's all the same when bitd the basic rider rode RAMP,STREET AND FLAT..that takes skill if you ask me.
today your average rider only does one or the other. so, i'd say it was not all the same and very technical for it's time.. :beer:
now go watch DORKIN...
Mark Eaton talks about all the different riding styles of people in the vids. Even Mark and Kevin had different styles though they rode together all the time.
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i know im gonna get bashed bacause of my statement but i realy dont see nothing special in oldschool riding. and thats why i couldnt vote cause its all same to me. i respect it cause otherwise there wouldnt be modern day flatland and all that but guys cmon, lets spin so our heats go off haha.
put it this way..if it wasn't for old school tricks you wouldn't be riding today.show some respect and go watch dorkin... also, how can you say it's all the same when bitd the basic rider rode RAMP,STREET AND FLAT..that takes skill if you ask me.
today your average rider only does one or the other. so, i'd say it was not all the same and very technical for it's time.. :beer:
now go watch DORKIN...
I totally agree with the all around rider thing. I bought my first modern flat bike around 2004.
I found it strange that there was more or less a divide between street/vert/flat.
The modern flat scene seemed so alien to me in the way it was self contained.
I also agree that Old school riding set the foundations for modern riding.
Kevin invented the hang 5, Eaton invented the steamroller and whiplash.
All that aside, I think some of us older guys Idolize these guys because we were around to see these as ground breaking tricks. And Just as we have our idols, the newer generation have theirs in seeing new things being created out of these 'basic' tricks.
Its exactly the same as classic rock heads talking about how modern music sucks and if it wasn't for the classics, you wouldn't be listening to modern rock or whatever.
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i know im gonna get bashed bacause of my statement but i realy dont see nothing special in oldschool riding. and thats why i couldnt vote cause its all same to me. i respect it cause otherwise there wouldnt be modern day flatland and all that but guys cmon, lets spin so our heats go off haha.
put it this way..if it wasn't for old school tricks you wouldn't be riding today.show some respect and go watch dorkin... also, how can you say it's all the same when bitd the basic rider rode RAMP,STREET AND FLAT..that takes skill if you ask me.
today your average rider only does one or the other. so, i'd say it was not all the same and very technical for it's time.. :beer:
now go watch DORKIN...
I totally agree with the all around rider thing. I bought my first modern flat bike around 2004.
I found it strange that there was more or less a divide between street/vert/flat.
The modern flat scene seemed so alien to me in the way it was self contained.
I also agree that Old school riding set the foundations for modern riding.
Kevin invented the hang 5, Eaton invented the steamroller and whiplash.
All that aside, I think some of us older guys Idolize these guys because we were around to see these as ground breaking tricks. And Just as we have our idols, the newer generation have theirs in seeing new things being created out of these 'basic' tricks.
Its exactly the same as classic rock heads talking about how modern music sucks and if it wasn't for the classics, you wouldn't be listening to modern rock or whatever.
i totally agree..... every generation is different. :beer:
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i thinks its like asking who do you like more your mother or your father
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i thinks its like asking who do you like more your mother or your father
in that case its easy... my mother!! hahaha
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i know im gonna get bashed bacause of my statement but i realy dont see nothing special in oldschool riding. and thats why i couldnt vote cause its all same to me. i respect it cause otherwise there wouldnt be modern day flatland and all that but guys cmon, lets spin so our heats go off haha.
Agree. Ok, it's great that someone started it, but it's really nothing sooo special as some may put it.
Give me a bmx bike and flatland history from 0 and I'll start inventing tricks- no problem. I do it even now, just do a trick and then I find out that someone had done it long time ago. So what.
I just feel sorry for those guys- they had to ride those awful bikes, he he.
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i know im gonna get bashed bacause of my statement but i realy dont see nothing special in oldschool riding. and thats why i couldnt vote cause its all same to me. i respect it cause otherwise there wouldnt be modern day flatland and all that but guys cmon, lets spin so our heats go off haha.
Agree. Ok, it's great that someone started it, but it's really nothing sooo special as some may put it.
Give me a bmx bike and flatland history from 0 and I'll start inventing tricks- no problem. I do it even now, just do a trick and then I find out that someone had done it long time ago. So what.
I just feel sorry for those guys- they had to ride those awful bikes, he he.
same said for new school riders. twenty years from now, it will be that same..how did they ride that bike look what they wore,etc....he he
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ondo im gald im not alone hehe
and i think some of u didnt read my post correctly. again
i respect it cause otherwise there wouldnt be modern day flatland and all that....
same said for new school riders. twenty years from now, it will be that same..how did they ride that bike look what they wore,etc....he he
yeah thats true. imagine tricks,links,combos... twenty years from now. its all about progression :beer: :beer:
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i know im gonna get bashed bacause of my statement but i realy dont see nothing special in oldschool riding. and thats why i couldnt vote cause its all same to me. i respect it cause otherwise there wouldnt be modern day flatland and all that but guys cmon, lets spin so our heats go off haha.
Agree. Ok, it's great that someone started it, but it's really nothing sooo special as some may put it.
Give me a bmx bike and flatland history from 0 and I'll start inventing tricks- no problem. I do it even now, just do a trick and then I find out that someone had done it long time ago. So what.
I just feel sorry for those guys- they had to ride those awful bikes, he he.
As it is true that someone will eventually come up with tricks starting at zero,
The greatness is seeing what can't be seen yet.
In the early 80s after getting 'axle pegs' Me and my freind did fork glides having never seen them.
We used to put our bikes in all kind of weird positions, one being a forward steam, but realized it was soo impossible and dismissed it as a joke trick that could never happen.
My point is,is that commitment of discovery by someone else makes that trick so much easier for you because someone persevered and saw achievement where you saw impossibility. Once the trick has been witnessed, its easier for everyone else to fall in line and learn it.
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Stupid poll!
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:beer: :beer:Chevise? ;D :beer: :beer:
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My point is,is that commitment of discovery by someone else makes that trick so much easier for you because someone persevered and saw achievement where you saw impossibility. Once the trick has been witnessed, its easier for everyone else to fall in line and learn it.
That isn't true at all.
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My point is,is that commitment of discovery by someone else makes that trick so much easier for you because someone persevered and saw achievement where you saw impossibility. Once the trick has been witnessed, its easier for everyone else to fall in line and learn it.
That isn't true at all.
yes it is totally true. once something is conceived it is easier for someone to learn
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between kevin and chase. I vote matthias!! ;D
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My point is,is that commitment of discovery by someone else makes that trick so much easier for you because someone persevered and saw achievement where you saw impossibility. Once the trick has been witnessed, its easier for everyone else to fall in line and learn it.
That isn't true at all.
yes it is totally true. once something is conceived it is easier for someone to learn
Agreed.
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Chase FTW.
Chase still kills it,,,, then dig its up,, then kills it again. By far the most polished rider.
I would never take anything away from Kevin Jones, but their genre is the same and Chase is still riding at a high level. Kevin??
What the hell is lungmustard upto anyways?
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Kevin all day long
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yes it is totally true. once something is conceived it is easier for someone to learn
No, once something is SEEN it's easier to learn. But most people don't see most tricks done by kevin or chase. There's a lot I hadn't seen that I thought I came up with only to find out Kevin did it in like.. dorkin 4 or 5. I had never seen him do it, but I still came up with it on my own without any prior knowledge of it having been done.
I just never found any disparity between learning an original switch vs something someone else had done. Just because Chase does a brakeless perverted decade doesn't make it any easier to learn. It's still f*cking hard.
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yes it is totally true. once something is conceived it is easier for someone to learn
No, once something is SEEN it's easier to learn. But most people don't see most tricks done by kevin or chase. There's a lot I hadn't seen that I thought I came up with only to find out Kevin did it in like.. dorkin 4 or 5. I had never seen him do it, but I still came up with it on my own without any prior knowledge of it having been done.
I just never found any disparity between learning an original switch vs something someone else had done. Just because Chase does a brakeless perverted decade doesn't make it any easier to learn. It's still f*cking hard.
I think what Jody was getting at was just like, if you've never seen the trick done before and you're not sure it's possible then it's harder for your brain to be like "ok, this can be done" than if you were to see X rider do a switch then go learn it.
I mean, if I was to come up with brakeless perverted decades I'd be like "ok, how the f*ck does this work?/Is this possible?" vs seeing Chase do it and being like "Ok, this is possible.. but it's f*cking hard". Difference in mentality
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I mean don't get me wrong, I understand what he's saying. I just think it doesn't do most riders justice in terms of what they're capable of thinking up and doing. People are pretty creative, they just might not have the ability to dedicate themselves in the same way someone like Chase or Kevin might to reach that level.
Like for example, I saw Paul Vail f*cking around with no footed wheelchairs holding the pegs 3-4 years prior to lee Musselwhite doing them, but he just could not do them. Then Lee comes along and does it, and Paul still isn't doing them. So i mean, it didn't get any easier for Paul, and he had thought of it first. So whoever did it first is kind of irrelevant. I hope that makes sense.
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Not everyone has seen every episode of every show, so, as Charles Manson said on Family Guy, "It's not a rerun if it's new to me!"
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i know im gonna get bashed bacause of my statement but i realy dont see nothing special in oldschool riding. and thats why i couldnt vote cause its all same to me. i respect it cause otherwise there wouldnt be modern day flatland and all that but guys cmon, lets spin so our heats go off haha.
I am so Fu@king sick of this whole old school/new school mentality. You either kept riding and progressing or you didnt. PERIOD. Trevor Meyer would be considred Old School by the mere fact that he has been riding since the 80's. He even had a picture in BMX Plus! doing a cherry picker. Yet, there is not a single thing old school about his riding today and I would be willing to venture that NOBODY on this forum will ever be as good as he is, unless he quit riding today and allowed you 10 years to catch up.
Plus, your avatar is a picture of Pete Brandt. History lesson Slick, Pete has been riding since the 80's also. Found footage of him riding in an AFA contest in 89' doing Death Truck to Dump Trucks, Pedaling Rope-A-Roni and messing up a hitchhiker when it was still a brand new trick and getting mad props from his peers for trying it. I dare you to say that Pete is "Old School." He is a complete badass, has all the "New School" tricks on lock and is like 38 years old. Again, its about being passionate enough about flatland to keep progressing and changing along with it.
Im not a "Back in the day" type of guy. Matthias is currently one of my favorite riders to watch. But guess what, So is Chase. I love flatland enough to appreciate all styles.
Trevor and Peteare only two of the riders that have stood the test of time. There are many though.
Im sure there were some guys from the hopping tricks era that thought rolling tricks were stupid so they didnt learn them or couldnt learn them. And guess what, they are no longer around. Their mentality didnt kill anything except for their own riding careers. It didnt affect the progression of flatland one bit.
Last but not least, you said "Lets spin til our heads pop off." Another history lesson for you. Richard Zabzder was one of the originators of the spinning deathtrucks, dumptrucks, on the pedal whatever, along with Jesse P. and several others. In fact it was several years before anyone else could spin as fast as Richard could. And that was back in 93 and 94. Uh-oh, better stop spinning tricks, they are definately "Old School." If Richard hadnt passed away in a tragic car accident, then God only knows who your idols would be today or where flatland would be today. He was also the person who brought us zero sweep bars, and small sprockets when he started Graveyard.
I could really care less who you do or dont respect, but this whole "Old School VS. New School" crap has gotten ridiculous. If you dont wanna vote, then dont vote. Are you some super groundbreaking "New school" rider that we are supposed to care when you dont wanna participate. This may be an open forum but it has many topics within it and if you dont wanna be part one of them, then dont. If there was some big public event going down to celebrate someone I didnt care about, I just wouldnt attend. I wouldnt show up just to make sure everone else in attendance knew I didnt care about the person, and if it were someone you did care about, you wouldnt appreciate me showing up and doing that if I would.
So to summarize: PROGRESSION PROGRESSION PROGRESSION. It has nothing to do with "Old School" or "New School". Some people do progress and others dont, but even if somebody shows up at my riding spot and they are happy to be doing old hopping tricks and not have progressed any, I will still be perfectly happy to ride with them. If you would shun them because they are doing "Old School" tricks instead of welcoming them for the mere fact that they also enjoy doing tricks on a bicycle, Then your attitude is "...Whats killing modern flatland."
-MIKE
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;D I always thought Chase was like a villain and Kevin was akin to a hero just from a temperament point of view... when missing links or failing tricks Chase was always hurling his bike screaming and cursing where Kevin was more often than not grinning or laughing finding it all quite amusing....
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I mean don't get me wrong, I understand what he's saying. I just think it doesn't do most riders justice in terms of what they're capable of thinking up and doing. People are pretty creative, they just might not have the ability to dedicate themselves in the same way someone like Chase or Kevin might to reach that level.
Like for example, I saw Paul Vail f*cking around with no footed wheelchairs holding the pegs 3-4 years prior to lee Musselwhite doing them, but he just could not do them. Then Lee comes along and does it, and Paul still isn't doing them. So i mean, it didn't get any easier for Paul, and he had thought of it first. So whoever did it first is kind of irrelevant. I hope that makes sense.
You are still missing the point slick. Paul couldn't do em. If Lee would have seen Paul coasting them and pulling them he probably would have learned them faster because (mentally) he would have known for sure that it was possible. shesh...
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I heard Chase say once, "Kevin Jones was, is, and always will be, the greatest flatlander of all time....period!" I guess that quote from Chase should end the poll....
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i vote prasheel ;D
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I heard Chase say once, "Kevin Jones was, is, and always will be, the greatest flatlander of all time....period!" I guess that quote from Chase should end the poll....
It's very well known that Chase respects Kevin very much. It's good to see the pros giving props, where props are due.
I think this poll is kind of silly...I mean how/why would you choose one? The have both contributed so much to flatland.
When Chase moved to York, it probably was the single most progressive spot on earth for flatland. Can you imagine the mind blowing sessions going down there?
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You are still missing the point slick. Paul couldn't do em. If Lee would have seen Paul coasting them and pulling them he probably would have learned them faster because (mentally) he would have known for sure that it was possible. shesh...
Paul COULD do them. Not very long mind you. He also was working full time and had already ridden and come up with a number of things on his own. To say i "missed the point" is pretty much flat out wrong. -_-
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You are still missing the point slick. Paul couldn't do em. If Lee would have seen Paul coasting them and pulling them he probably would have learned them faster because (mentally) he would have known for sure that it was possible. shesh...
Paul COULD do them. Not very long mind you. He also was working full time and had already ridden and come up with a number of things on his own. To say i "missed the point" is pretty much flat out wrong. -_-
Wrong topic,,,, post elsewhere plz
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Is Kevin still riding? I know Chase is :wacko:
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Is Kevin still riding? I know Chase is :wacko:
Well, there has been recent "spy" photos and looks like he still has it.
Sometimes he gets to session with Perry Mervar and Paul Osicka...underneath the parking lot. WAY underground. :P
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;D I always thought Chase was like a villain and Kevin was akin to a hero just from a temperament point of view... when missing links or failing tricks Chase was always hurling his bike screaming and cursing where Kevin was more often than not grinning or laughing finding it all quite amusing....
Yea I remember reading an interview with chase, he said that was one of his failings was wasting a lot of energy getting irate when practicing. I can see it with just about any technical hobbie. The pissed off mofos will prolly get to whatever goal it is but waste a lot more energy getting there.
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My point is,is that commitment of discovery by someone else makes that trick so much easier for you because someone persevered and saw achievement where you saw impossibility. Once the trick has been witnessed, its easier for everyone else to fall in line and learn it.
That isn't true at all.
yes it is totally true. once something is conceived it is easier for someone to learn
you mean like all of my tricks!?!
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i know im gonna get bashed bacause of my statement but i realy dont see nothing special in oldschool riding. and thats why i couldnt vote cause its all same to me. i respect it cause otherwise there wouldnt be modern day flatland and all that but guys cmon, lets spin so our heats go off haha.
I am so Fu@king sick of this whole old school/new school mentality. You either kept riding and progressing or you didnt. PERIOD. Trevor Meyer would be considred Old School by the mere fact that he has been riding since the 80's. He even had a picture in BMX Plus! doing a cherry picker. Yet, there is not a single thing old school about his riding today and I would be willing to venture that NOBODY on this forum will ever be as good as he is, unless he quit riding today and allowed you 10 years to catch up.
Plus, your avatar is a picture of Pete Brandt. History lesson Slick, Pete has been riding since the 80's also. Found footage of him riding in an AFA contest in 89' doing Death Truck to Dump Trucks, Pedaling Rope-A-Roni and messing up a hitchhiker when it was still a brand new trick and getting mad props from his peers for trying it. I dare you to say that Pete is "Old School." He is a complete badass, has all the "New School" tricks on lock and is like 38 years old. Again, its about being passionate enough about flatland to keep progressing and changing along with it.
Im not a "Back in the day" type of guy. Matthias is currently one of my favorite riders to watch. But guess what, So is Chase. I love flatland enough to appreciate all styles.
Trevor and Peteare only two of the riders that have stood the test of time. There are many though.
Im sure there were some guys from the hopping tricks era that thought rolling tricks were stupid so they didnt learn them or couldnt learn them. And guess what, they are no longer around. Their mentality didnt kill anything except for their own riding careers. It didnt affect the progression of flatland one bit.
Last but not least, you said "Lets spin til our heads pop off." Another history lesson for you. Richard Zabzder was one of the originators of the spinning deathtrucks, dumptrucks, on the pedal whatever, along with Jesse P. and several others. In fact it was several years before anyone else could spin as fast as Richard could. And that was back in 93 and 94. Uh-oh, better stop spinning tricks, they are definately "Old School." If Richard hadnt passed away in a tragic car accident, then God only knows who your idols would be today or where flatland would be today. He was also the person who brought us zero sweep bars, and small sprockets when he started Graveyard.
I could really care less who you do or dont respect, but this whole "Old School VS. New School" crap has gotten ridiculous. If you dont wanna vote, then dont vote. Are you some super groundbreaking "New school" rider that we are supposed to care when you dont wanna participate. This may be an open forum but it has many topics within it and if you dont wanna be part one of them, then dont. If there was some big public event going down to celebrate someone I didnt care about, I just wouldnt attend. I wouldnt show up just to make sure everone else in attendance knew I didnt care about the person, and if it were someone you did care about, you wouldnt appreciate me showing up and doing that if I would.
So to summarize: PROGRESSION PROGRESSION PROGRESSION. It has nothing to do with "Old School" or "New School". Some people do progress and others dont, but even if somebody shows up at my riding spot and they are happy to be doing old hopping tricks and not have progressed any, I will still be perfectly happy to ride with them. If you would shun them because they are doing "Old School" tricks instead of welcoming them for the mere fact that they also enjoy doing tricks on a bicycle, Then your attitude is "...Whats killing modern flatland."
-MIKE
Word!
I'm getting sick of forums full of disrespect! When ar you guys practise? It seems to me that you livin in the www. And oh jes it is always easier to do tricks everyone do then to practise tricks that you have in mind! So do the "newschool" riders realy deserves more respect?
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Is Kevin still riding? I know Chase is :wacko:
Well, there has been recent "spy" photos and looks like he still has it.
Sometimes he gets to session with Perry Mervar and Paul Osicka...underneath the parking lot. WAY underground. :P
Do you have a link?
I would like to see Paul riding! Why Standart never make an hole Osika DVD?
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kevin still rides and shreds...
with all this comparison of new to old school consider this...what would mattais ride like on an old school bike? conversely what would kevin have done differently if he started off on an 18 pound bike...
Kevin is the best rider because of his attitude, he's all grins and just rides. He may not be on the cutting edge anymore but he reigned for quite some time and continues to shred. I'd like to see anyone else do links on a uni-bike.
No disrespect to chase, he killed it and still does. But even he gives Kevin credit for being the best rider ever. I don't think mattais could ever compare to kevin or chase because of him being apart of the new school. I'll give him more credit when I see a vid of him on a complete big daddy without the super light parts. a forty pound bike reacts much differently then the new school >20 pound bike.
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I was actually thinking about the difference in weight and how that influenced style throughout the Dorkin years. I rewatched the Dorkin box set last night (the whole thing.. with commentary hahahaha) and I just kept wondering what things would be like if everyone had lighter bikes back then?
I think the biggest thing you have to take into account is that the lighter bikes have contributed a lot towards much of the turbining and boomeranging of today. Not only that, but it increases your longevity while you're out riding. Trying to muscle around a 35lb bike compared to a 25lb bike is just completely different, and the heavier bike tires you out MUCH faster than the lighter one.
I don't think comparing anyone in the new school to what Kevin or Chase was doing is really all that fair for either group of riders. I think a lot of the new school guys have a lot of really wacky original switches, which they deserve immense amount of credit for, while the older guys came up with many of the original tricks. But which is harder? Starting from ground zero and building up, or squeezing originality out from between the cracks of what has already been done? You bring up Matthias, and I've seen him do some of the most difficult switches of our day without brakes on a fairly light bike and a lot of his stuff is pretty fresh and original. I think that's commendable for two reasons. One, because he has a bunch of tricks that he developed and nurtured on his own from basic positions and building up, and two, because he is taking full advantage of these newer lighter bikes.
I'm hesitant to give too much credit to people who did the "first" of anything in the sport, especially for things like hang 5's where it doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out that it's possible. It takes someone with patience to be the first to do it, but there isn't any mystical or magical element to it and I think you hit the nail right on the head when you said Kevin was all smiles and grins.
I've been to York quite a few times and I've seen Kevin tinker around with a lot of weird stuff. Not once did I ever get a sense that he was doing anything "for the sport". He just rode his bike and played with it. People need to remember that's what originality in flatland was born out of. I think it's a healthy curiosity about what's possible on a bike that doesn't boarder on some sort of weird complex that's brought us a lot of really wonderful tricks.
I don't know if you've ever seen Matthias ride, but he rides with an attitude that's VERY similar to Kevin. I filmed him riding at Voodoo two years ago playing with some new tricks and he spent half the time goofing off. Some of the Japanese guys are the same way, like Akira. I love watching him play with tricks because he just tries CRAZY sh*t and sees if it sticks. Sometimes it does and a new trick is born. That's awesome.
The attitude of being a solitary warrior on a quest for originality really bums me out because I don't think really need it and Kevin is a great example of that. All smiles and weird buzzing noises. -_-
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This's out of disscussion. Mr. Kevin Jones is the father of flatland; Chase is a MONSTER indeed but...no...come on!, do i have to say it?.
P.D.: There's no sarcasm involved ;D
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I ride Chase bars on a Kevin Jones frame, ergo I am not voting.
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I agree with the new guys doing new sh*t and getting proper credit for it. Mattais is a beast and does some amazing tricks, no doubt about that.
It just amongst this Old V. New debate it brings up the matter of the technology of the bikes themselves. I think we can agree that if Kevin and Chase started on 20 pound bikes the riding we would do today would be even crazier...
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I ride Chase bars on a Kevin Jones frame, ergo I am not voting.
HAHA cool man :mellow:. I think that was the best post ive seen from you TJ
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I've never seen Kevin actually ride at a york jam.
I've been to York quite a few times and I've seen Kevin tinker around with a lot of weird stuff. Not once did I ever get a sense that he was doing anything "for the sport". He just rode his bike and played with it. People need to remember that's what originality in flatland was born out of. I think it's a healthy curiosity about what's possible on a bike that doesn't boarder on some sort of weird complex that's brought us a lot of really wonderful tricks.
(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/3084/97462137.jpg)
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TJ, I appreciate your comment and think it makes more sense than some of your previous comments, but when you come to the "he's not doing it for the sport" you lose me completely! I think that Kevin has always done it for himself. All the tricks, all the positions. After this everyone fell in line. "For Kevin" all the way! Why would he do it for the sport?
Kevin we bow down to your Awesomeness.
AJ
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such a farce... contradict yourself much?
Please tell me where I contradicted myself.
I've never seen Kevin actually ride at a york jam.
I've been to York quite a few times and I've seen Kevin tinker around with a lot of weird stuff.
I've been up there for smaller more private sessions. The first one I went to Edgar P was there too. But since you guys spend all your time posting un-funny image macros and pimping out ONE particular brand you happen to be obsessed with on your pretty bike you wouldn't know anything about jams or contests.
Good job on turning what I thought was a pretty positive post about creativity and riding into another bullsh*t argument.
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Kevin or Chase?
Kevin 100%
Its supposed to be Chase or TJ. ^_^
TJ 100%
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Its supposed to be Chase or TJ. ^_^
TJ 100%
ah fu-
Tsar Bomb - The biggest bomb ever (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfoQsZa8F1c#normal)
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Kevin was the master and Chase was the student.
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Kevin was the master and Chase was the student.
Amen, or wait a bit : I think Kevin IS the master!
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none.
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I agree with the new guys doing new sh*t and getting proper credit for it. Mattais is a beast and does some amazing tricks, no doubt about that.
It just amongst this Old V. New debate it brings up the matter of the technology of the bikes themselves. I think we can agree that if Kevin and Chase started on 20 pound bikes the riding we would do today would be even crazier...
no we cant agree on that thats bullsh*t that doesnt even make sense .Your just another noob in a long line obsessed with matthias .Personally love both kevin and chase but have to give it to chase for pushing boundries just for e-clips alone not only is that sh*t still untouched massively even by your prescious trendy idols but it appears just so driven by determination to truly master every variation within a couple areas , anyone who can take decades and whiplashes and turn it into a such an epic quest gets my vote anyday .
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your right, i'm a total noob. I've never met a single other rider in my life...and i obsess of Mattais...wrong, really wrong. I can't deny Mattais's tricks, he's super good...so is york uno, hiro, steve mulder, etc...
if it doesn't make sense, much like your response, then re-reading what I wrote initially might shed some light on it all.
Kevin and Chase didn't start on 20 pound bikes (right?) the tricks they would have had wired would be different if the bikes were different. But there is an 'if' in the sentence. At no point do i discredit what kevin or chase have done for the sport. "...the riding we would do today would be even crazier..." I'm sorry that sentence was so ambiguous. I thought it would come across as: kevin and chase were crazy, the riding today is crazy.
I've been riding for just under 15 years. Yeah I'm a noob, I've never had an EP.
PO
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your right, i'm a total noob. I've never met a single other rider in my life...and i obsess of Mattais...wrong, really wrong. I can't deny Mattais's tricks, he's super good...so is york uno, hiro, steve mulder, etc...
if it doesn't make sense, much like your response, then re-reading what I wrote initially might shed some light on it all.
Kevin and Chase didn't start on 20 pound bikes (right?) the tricks they would have had wired would be different if the bikes were different. But there is an 'if' in the sentence. At no point do i discredit what kevin or chase have done for the sport. "...the riding we would do today would be even crazier..." I'm sorry that sentence was so ambiguous. I thought it would come across as: kevin and chase were crazy, the riding today is crazy.
I've been riding for just under 15 years. Yeah I'm a noob, I've never had an EP.
PO
the bikes in the 80's were around 28 to 30 lbs. in the 90's is when they started getting heavy. :beer:
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I think everyone should watch the dorkin' in york videos. That riding change flatland, I'm glad too because smooth rolling beats peg hops.